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[Elve]

[Serbitar]

I would say the only cap that applies is that you can not roll more dice than double your natural body.

[Elve]

[Serbitar]

From the 24 dice min/max thread, havent found it in the rulebook yet.

[Elve]

so didn't I :-)

[hahnsoo]

All of the augmented attribute caps are 1.5 times the racial maximum (round down), as listed on the table on p73 and in the description of attribute on p62.

[Serbitar]

Bone lacing does not increase the attribute, it only gives you dice for resitance tests, thats a difference.

[hahnsoo]

Depends upon your interpretation. This is one of my personal gripes about the SR4 augmentations, in that sometimes it isn't clear what constitutes an augmentation that hits the augmented cap and what doesn't. In the case of Bone Lacing, it specifically says +1 (to +3) to the Body Attribute for damage resistance tests. I'd take that to mean that it directly adds to Body during damage resistance (just like an Increase Body spell directly increases Body while it's sustained), and thus is subject to the cap.

[HappyDaze]

So, since it's a situational modifier and not a boost to the core stat we can avoid the limits?

In a similar manner, this would mean that an Adept's Combat Sense dice can exceed the Reaction cap for avoiding attacks, right?

Jay

[hahnsoo]

[Elve]

A clarifiaction from someone official would be nice...

[Autarkis]

I reviewed the sample characters, and this is what I came up with:

Combat Sense: Does not appear to add to Reaction. (Gun-Fu has +2 to Reaction but it is from her +2 is from Improved Reflexes and not her Combat Sense 2.)

Bone Lacing: Does not appear to add to Body (Smuggler has no mod to Body but has Aluminum Bone Lacing which should be +2 to Body for resistance tests but isn't in her above stats.)

So if it is a plus to the stat, it goes against the 1.5. If it adds to a stat test (i.e. +1 Body for damage resistance tests) then it does not. In the case of Bone Lacing, it adds to damage tests but no others (toxins, pathogens, fatigue, healing, etc...)

[Crusher Bob]

If it adds to skill tests for linked skills, it a bonus to the stat, at least that's the way I see it. bone lacing specifically only adds to damage resistance, not 'body'

[hahnsoo]

[Aku]

The problem Hahnsoo, is that from autarkis's research on the samples, neither of them seem to be listed as augmented attributes

[hobgoblin]

bah, who cares about a limit :silly:

[Autarkis]

Hansoo...by your logic since it says "+2 dice to Body to resist...." then the Dwarves natural ability may count towards their racial max as well as some positive qualities (Toughness...+1 doce to Body to resist damage...).

[hahnsoo]