OOC: SR4-First Run, Food Fight! Options

[Tzaz]

these are my characters [Jacks] assumptions
I am supposed to have a very high loyality factor to Wang Chi.

[Cold-Dragon]

you may have 'high loyalty', but that isn't something the characters know ICly, and it doesn't mean the runners would be any nicer to a friend of Wang Chi's when they introduce themselves without running through him.

[netlich]

I will include this next time I write an IC post but Mark pauses a bit sending a message via his commlink to all the poeple he knows are involved with Wang Chi and himself in the ran and later got involved in the Stuffer Shack incident...i.e. All he obviously knows how to contact (including Tempty)

"Rumour control might be required. Meet at Garland's ASAP."

(Taku,Rydell, Crosshairs Adpet, Zelda, Tempty BUT NOT WANG CHI as MArk has got more than suspicious now- obviously some might not make it - especially those whose characters ar eno longer used but that coudl give a further way toget us togethe ra bit faster :-) )

[Slacker]

Sorry, but i don't have enough time to post much

@netlich: You didn't notice the watcher spirit at all.

@Tzaz: Even if you were Wang Chi's best friend from pre-school on, that doesn't mean he would have told you everything about his team mates. He's probably mentioned their names in passing, but I don't think any shadowrunner would talk all that much business with a non-shadowrunner, he certainly wouldn't go into details on exactly what skills each memeber has and their exact description and any specific jobs they did. If he was stupid enough to do something like that and he teammates ever found out, they really would kill him, without hesitation. 'Loose lips sink ships.'
At most i'd say he tell you a few stories about mishaps on runs, without going into any detail about the run itself (probably even going so far as to describe as something completely other than what it was actually a run against).
And obviously this is not your first conversation with Shadowrunners, because Wang Chi is a shadowrunner, and you have at least met and conversed however briefly with Tempty. Also, it wouldn't be all that uncommon for a paramedic to meet a 'runner during the course of his job.

[Cold-Dragon]

A bit of a realization just now....if I have a watcher spirit (and technically my mentor spirit) and Tzaz has some spirit or other with him.....why haven't they noticed one another? At least I'd think 'Pet Rock' would notice the watcher.

Or is Pet rock some other sort of spirit? lol.

[Tzaz]

JAcks assumptions:
I met Wang Chi through a magic user group. My Gaia and his Wuxing have a lot in common. Been talking about an unified, universal theory on magic for over five years.. Wang Chi and I had developed a run against the Oregon Caves, I knew the land--he knew the runners.. This is why we met at the bar a couple of months ago. I had a list of skills I thought were needed. The crew had the muscle needed but no skills for wilderness survival. My experience with runners is the damage they do. I know more cops, doctors, and paladins from the damage that shadowrunners do.
The hills are alive with Shadowrunners from smugglers, bootleggers, and moonshiners. These are mostly all family businesses and everyone knows everyone else and there business. Think "Dukes of Hazard" or "Hatfields and McCoys". So this paranoid, up tight, and security is totally baffling. How do you deliver beer without knowing where it comes from to were its going. So i am learning quickly that just because i am paranoid does not mean everyone is not out to get me

Slacker i developed this story based on our original conversation and joining the game. redline what you do not like. But originally I was a contact? If i am hiring them out for a job, would I not need to know there skills? Netlich and I decided that The reason that I do not know Mark is because he was not working with Wang Chi a couple of months ago. The skills I were looking for were damage output as we we going to a war zone. wilderness Infiltration and survival. Magic sensitivity, camoflauge, transportation, intel and planning. His crew does not know enough to run down hill when the bear is chasing him..

[Tzaz]

force 4 Improved Invisibility:
Magic(4) + Spellcasting (3)=
2,4,6,4,1,4,5
2 successes
Drain Value=Force/2+1=3
Resist Drain=Willpower(5)+logic(5)=
2,3,4,4,3,1,2,3,2,1
Oh shit as the dwarf sits down hard in the corner
3 points stun. Do i need a beer.

[gobogen]

Has the call out for rumor control been made yet or not?

[Slacker]

@Cold-Dragon: Mentor spirits are not necessarily real spirits. They are more a manifestation of your ideals and a guide born of magic. The way you have been handling yours is quite interesting, and that is why i have allowed it, but more typically interaction between a mentor spirit and a mage is much more infrequent and not as a constant companion in the astral space.
When mentor spirits do choose to communicate with the spell caster, usually only to "provid cryptic rules, riddles, and sometimes even straightforward advice..." its because the gm is using it as a tool, in which case they may appear in physical space or just in astral, or maybe just as a voice in the mages head.
While I do like the way you have been handling your mentor spirit, I am not giving them the ability to watch over the astral space for you. That is the job of watcher spirits, if it needs to be done.

@Tzaz: I do not particularly care for this background story as it gives you far more information than I had originally intended and it just isn't all that logical. For one, Wang Chi is not a fixer and does not/did not set up jobs for the team. Two, he would not give specific information like that to somebody he only knows a little bit, especially when that somebody has no experience dealing with the Shadows. Third, you don't have the kind of resources it would require to be able to afford to hire a team of runners (you carry your belongings everywhere you go in a duffle bag).
I am fine with you two having met via some magic user group, and over the course of year of discussions/arguements you two had become close friends.
I'm fine with you knowing that he's a shadowrunner and he has a good team he works with regularly.
I'm even fine with you knowing the names of everybody in the team (with the exception of netlich's character because he is not a regular member of the team or only recently joined up).
But you aren't going to know specifics about their skills/abilities. You'd maybe know in some general sense that they have somebody with social skills, and somebody with hacking skills, and so on, but that is it.
This whole run idea of yours might be something that you have mentioned to Wang Chi and upon hearing your ideas he'd probably at most tell you that he and his team could handle it or they'd need such and such skill so he'd look into finding somebody. And that he talk to them about doing this favor.
Nobody in the shadowrunning biz is going to give you, someone who admits to being uninitiated in the Shadows that are fraught with danger and suspicion, information that could easily get him and his teammates killed if it fell into the wrong hands, which is what you are asking me to give you (basically a dosier on individual team's skillset). It just ain't going to happen. And its been my experience that most players would answer any such request with a swift bullet to the brainpan, or at the very least immediately break off all contact with the person making the request and move somewhere far away as obviously that person was going to set him up for a hit and needed to know specifically who to hire to counteract the teams skillset.
Shadowrun is not D&D where its typical that new players/characters are greeted with some form of "You look trustworthy, come join us...." Shadowrun is a world where few people ever find anybody they can trust and this is even more so the in the Shadows of the Sprawl. Hell, most runners don't even trust their fixer who finds them the jobs, and they certainly don't trust the Johnson actually paying for the job. If they could, they wouldn't even let their own teammates know their skills.

@gobogen: Let me double check, but i am pretty sure that netlich's character did send out the call for rumor control......Oh I see he said he was going to put it in his next IC post, but never did.
Let's go ahead and say that he did send out the message with he address of the club. Just so we can move along the get everybody in one place.

[Cold-Dragon]

I had been talking abou the watcher spirit mainly. THe worse case for Snake was he might make me a bit of an obvious sight if 'no one noticed' we were noticed. Otherwise, I wouldn't use it for spying on the plane unless it was somehow a part of the intent for an action (like making an assensing roll OOC, then having Snake prompt Celia to look on to see what I can find, etc).

Understood though!

*blinks at what happens with Jack* Well, I should be able to afford a funeral wreath...Why would anyone 'sneak up' on a troll? O_o

[Tzaz]

point of fact ..Im trying to sneak away from the troll. I want out of this club. They are setting me up to kill me. Im trying to get out, or get on more neutral ground.
Sitting at the both waiting for a crazed and mad troll is from having a splitting headache and not being very with it right now. look at the die rolls and see why.

@slacker. ok all i know from wang chi is the group does not have the skill set..Not what they have. We were making this a run based on potential earnings. Just like the current novel. Im a poor dwarf and I am visiting Seattle, not living here. I have a dayjob back home. :D

[Cold-Dragon]

Maybe I can get my chance if I lose a dwarf buddy....lol. *patpats Tzaz*

I still got the commlink, I think I can handle talking with trolls. I'm (in theory) a woman, so I might not get on Tempty's nerves as much, and if I don't go into the bathroom and go invisible, I might get bonus points!

[Shalimar]

I don't mean to offend, but at this point its getting more and more dificult to see why Tempty wouldn't just off the dwarf to tie up loose ends, at least after hearing him out. Assuming we all end up looking for Wang Chi, she would have to know he could trust him not to screw up like he has already, and the fact that he already has done so would make that hard to believe.

The shadows are a not nice place. Sometimes people are just better off killing others then trusting in them to keep their mouths shut. Bare in mind, right now, that you guys walked into a place that Tempty pretty much considers her home. IC you guys don't know that, but the fact that the dwarf walked in and started spouting about shadow business where she and her boyfriend lives (she has a small apartment of her own, but its more a safehouse), this is pretty much a direct threat to her love, and both of their livelihoods. I just wanted to point at part of the reason she feels so strong about this, though, sheer discretion would count for a lot too.

[Shalimar]

[Cold-Dragon]

*twists the metagame party button to ON* Well...in theory everyone suspects he brought in a buddy, so...if he leaves alone, that means his assumed buddy is still inside. Why not look for him/her? ;) lol. or else you snoop on him to try and locate any partners and get some legit information on his snooping too, see if he's the real deal while doing something with him?

The Watcher spirit will still be following him, even if he leaves, so I have some backup in that regard.

hell...that makes me think of something metagamish too, lol. Fortunately, there's IC reasoning for doing it already....I may just use the spirit to pester Jack. *shrugs*

[Slacker]

@Tzaz: Almost forgot something, we'll have to wait until netlich rolls his resistance test to see if your whole invis trick worked (he has a surprisingly high Intuition for a troll so there is a chance that he will succeed)

@netlich: You need to roll your Intuition to see if you resist the improved invisibility spell. I doubt you'll succeed, but it is at least possible.

[netlich]

So the situation is I walk in an empty toilet room that Tzaz went in a minute or two ago...Does it have cubilces which are taken? If not then it wont take me 2-3 seconds to start getting suspicious...If by then I have walked in that puts me right before the toilet door which has to be opened again before Tzaz gets out - which I think should entitle me at least one more perception roll at the very least...

Of course Tzaz could easily wait right by the door and try to flee as soon as Mark starts looking into cubicle's with half closed doors but if there aren't any I think he is in trouble...

Intuition Check:
1: 2
2: 3
3: 2
4: 5 !
5: 1

Only one success

Perception checkas the troll gets really upset now and tries to hear, smell or see any clue that might lead him to what happenned and where the dwarfie is hiding:

Perception(2)+Intuition(5):
(I doubt the specialisation come sin play here especially as it is specialising in visual pereption which exactly what is hampered here...Do I still roll that? I have included two more dice-oh shod it they are failures anyhow)
1: 4
2: 3
3: 5 !
4: 2
5: 3
6: 6 !
7: 6 !

8: 1
9: 2


3 successes ...


As I probably have no clue to what happenned I make a cursory look around the place for any windows (Which I doubt) that hint that the dwarf exited form there or for any other toilet-goers who might have seen the dwarf going into a cubicle (I hope Tzaz went invisible while in a cubicle and not in plain sight of others in the toilet)

IF that fails then my only other option is he used magic - he can't have just dissappeared which means I commlink-SMS Tempty immediately about loosing him and that I need magic assistance....I think it is obvious that he used magic one way or another if there are no other exits in the room. Otherwise a message her that he is trying to escape.

Oh and myprevious message has already been send vy the time I made the post OOC - I am just waitting for a chance to post it IC :-) I might as well do it now....

[netlich]

Metagaming ON

I certainly don't want the dwarf dead as a player :-) But it is coming to a point where I can see both Tempty and Mark wanting him out of the picture....

As far as I am concerned and my character is roleplayed Tzaz can do pretty much anything sor tof aggresive to annoy me while in the club and he is safe. If he is marked though for wetwork/as a liability by either me or Tempty he will never leave the club doors. I would not kill him inside the club - I would not even continue talking to him : a huge troll that screams shadowrunner talking to a dwarf with funny clothing and hardhat is something that people will remember so if he is found dead outside I would be a suspect and that is not the way I work...So the dwarf will get enough time to explain himself as long as he stops playing games with us...

Worst case scenario is I ask gobogen to subdue him outside and keep him out of sight in a car until I exit the building if it gets to a point that I don't want him seeing another sunrise. But even that I consider risky.

Next message out to Gobogen and co. (as soon as I leave the toilets no matter what happens)

"Dwarf with funny clothing and hardhat wagging mouth. Do not let out of sight if he walks outside of Garlands until further notice..."

(Is this risky too? Sending messages with a commlink in such a public place? My previous message was vague on purpose but this one could be suspicious if intercepted....)

Finally as far as ColdDragon's sugegstion above is concerned I frankly don't see how we could even believe that this man has anyone backing him up after all his antics? Even if he did the guy would either split now that things were getting hot or come in to try and calm things down and explain his dwarf-buddy's gruff behaviour...

[Cold-Dragon]

I guess we wait and see what happens to Tzaz then... >.< Suddenly fuzzy critters isn't so simple a mission, lol....

[gobogen]

Perception 2 + Intuition 5: 5 2 6 5 4 2 1 => 3 hits (modify as required).

Taku tries to find the dwarf visually, while he might know where Mark is by the commlink.

[Tzaz]

I think I should apologize to the group. I screwed up.
based on slackers divine intervention and good will, I might get a second chance. I will have the pet rock knock me out from trying the stupid stunt in the bathroom. Have Mark find me knocked out in the bathroom and go from there?
I know I have screwed up badly. If your characters deem it necessary to kill off Jack,OK....my mistake... I pay.
Sorry for the hassels
tzaz\
No Hard feelings

[netlich]

Hehe since my posting times are usually different from all you overseas folks And I would liekto see this scene moving on feel free to have Mark try to wake Jack. Whatever the results he sends another message out now only to Tempty informing her of what happened.

If he can't wake the dwarf then he gets out of the toilets...He doesn't want to be seen with an unconcious dwarf in his hands.

Otherwise he brings the annoyance back to the table and lets him do the talking and explain himself.

MArk is still not happy of course IC and I agree with Shalimar on seeing a cooparation a bit unfeasible at the moment.

OOC I am just glad this stopped taking the slide into turning out as the usual ill fated runs where wrong words or actions end them at ameeting in a hilarious way :-)

Of course I could be wrong :-)

Now I need to get some sleep :-)

[Shalimar]

At least give him a swirlie, you know you want to :rotfl:

[Cold-Dragon]

Mmmm, Dwarven swirlie....Is that like an Elven Banana Split or an Orc coctail?

[Slacker]

As Tzaz has said, I've allowed a little bit of backpedaling in the hopes that something can be salvaged from this whole encounter.
Everything from the moment the dwarf went invisible on was only a vision given to him by his mentor spirit. On top of the vision the spirit temporarily knocked him out to emphasize the wrongness of his ideas of what to do.
With something as important to him as his mentor spirit being upset with him, Jack has now become a bit dejected and much more compliant/cooperative.
Hopefully, this will be enough to smooth over the next few minutes in-game and perhaps leave room for a future.

Its would be perfectly understandable to still have some resentments between characters, but I would appreciate it if some leniency can be shown here in the spirit of continuing the game as a whole group.
I hate to do something so heavy handed, but I have explained to Tzaz that this is a one time second chance. There will not be another.
With other characters showing up on the scene soon and finding a rather docile dwarf in the company of Tempty and Mark perhaps they might not understand/agree with the ill-sentiments and try to smooth things over......


As a matter of fact, I'm going to go ahead and give him another connection to the team. gobogen if you don't mind, I'm going to add a bit of backstory where your character's mother was in a car accident a few years ago and Jack happened to be one of the paramedics who saved her (the accident was touch-and-go for a while, but he never gave up trying). He didn't know you were a shadowrunner and you don't even remember his name, but you remember his face and his gruff attitude.
Would that be ok with everybody? I'd like to continue with this and I think the different roleplaying situations this would add to the game will be quite interesting, with possibly Tempty and/or Mark holding a bit of a grudge, while Taku and Celia (who has been lurking in the shadows, but would probably have some desire to keep working with Jack as he's the one that led her to the rest of the group) will try to keep things running smoothly.
This is a bit forced, I know, but do you think we can try it out for a while?