OOC: SR4-First Run, Food Fight! Options

[netlich]

Hehe. Same here...With this being my virgin appearance in the forums and my first attempt at 4th edition I managed to spend the whole previous scenario fighting a damn spirit! HEheheh- I am hoping I will manage to do a bit more in this one ;-)


As far as messangers are concerned I will see if I can register with AIM....I am using MSN and ICQ infrequently so I am just get that one too...Perhaps get them to ran via one of those multi-messanger thingies :-)

[netlich]

k I got me AIM with 'NetlichStef' as a nickname...First time I found netlich taken...Tsk tsk tsk.... :-)

[Cold-Dragon]

Stim patches help. *shows the belly of the game, and the several lighter shades of figurative flesh beneath* Put me to sleep though, lol. :D (went to take a nap, and it went literal)

and it's amazing the names that will be taken on AIM, lol. I don't know if I will IM you or not Slacker, but I would have Kaylos96 as mine.

[gobogen]

Btw, in case it wasn't clear, when I used italics in my post, it meant that I was relating Taku's thoughts. He actually didn't say anything. Just for clarity's sake.

[netlich]

Yeah same here.

Now I need some sugeestions.I thought that this scene was getting under control but th emore I think and sleep on it the more I amloosing control again. I can't see why my character would sit still in there and listen ot all this instead of going and coming back to find th einfo he needs when in a better position and better armed?

He had the antiques of Jack first and then it turns out that Jack had an associate who managed ot eavesdrop on them without getting noticed. Nothing stops the situation from getting out of hand and the more likelyscenario I can thinkfor this is that a bait is send in to get the Sahdowrunners ruffled and get them to gather around the bait only for th etrap to close in aftewrwards...Or am I being biased towards one way of thinking now?

Remmeber I am tryin gto play the stereotypical shadowrunning street sam who has survived a few runs and has some at least basic ettiquette and intution to handle himself in situations like this. He will not start a fight in a public place but neither will he let people who knwo about him live as long as he knows they don't have somehting bigger behind them backing them. To me Ceilia's introduction just turned the tables again and confused me :-)

[Slacker]

@netlich: If you sent that as a text message, it would be able to appear as an ARO in Taku's field of vision thanks to his contact lenses.
As far as the situation goes, I think Celia shows obvious signs of trying to use shadowtalk to continue the discussion a little more covertly considering it is in public and you have already showed a desire to keep it that way. She's not trying to be cryptic, just showing that she know's what she's doing.
If you like, you can roll Intuition + Charisma to judge her intentions.

[Shalimar]

Frankly, that she is even around tells us that we may want to pop her. Only 4 groups knew about the job. The Johnson who hired us (and could contact us through Garland), Garland (as the fixer), Us(runners), and the people that were the target of the run. Tempty would know it wasn't Garland, or the Runners that would put people out looking for the team, and the Johnson can already contact them through Garland. That leaves only the opposition from the run, in which case Celia is in bed with people that are hunting the team.

[Cold-Dragon]

well, besides the bed (which is nice and soft btw), keep in mind that sometimes, people of your caliber (ICly speaking) may end up showing themselves on occasion. She's not going to sit idle an let you consider disposing of her willy nilly, she'll either try to get you to listen, consider the option, or else keep you spinning around long enough to escape.

Of course, you guys don't know that ICly either, so I have to rely on a little finesse an some metagame partnership to get along.

[netlich]

Well not to start a conspiracy theory chain reaction but on Salimar's thoghts: taking Garland off the picture as I agree, any of the runners, and especially MArk who has only done one run with the group, could be the bird-that-talked. So I would not completely blame it on the newcomers. Besides I did say I want this to move on OOC-wise...

But I do want it to move on realistically... And to that extend I have to agree with Shalimar in saying that all that we have managed to do is upgrade Jack &Celia from marked for removal to marked for surveilance...But anyway - it might be intersting to see how this develops - as long as we manage to keep it away form the usual let's blow our heads off instead of the bad guys :-)


As for the intuition roll I was just saying that we have just been through that level of talk and we have managed to come to a middle level agreement with Jack to take a corner -read private- place and he is to spill it all out...Someone who was eavesdropping IMO should get all that and start from there. And not take us back to the 'let's talk the talk' phase before we get into the main course...I mean Tempty when angered and scolding JAck essentially gave any eavesdroppers confirmation with her words that she (and therfore me too) IS all that JAck is claimming. Which is why I (Mark) can't see any reason to hide behind fake aliases and lingo/jargon street- talk anymore. I just want to get this over with as soon as possible and with the most favourable outcome to my rep possible and then see about damage and rumour control which will definetely include change of street aliases and removal of any untrustworthy contacts that know of Mark's involvement in this...I think this is realistic in my point of view.

Of course I do understand the other side of the coin. Ceilia was evaesdropping and we got no whiff of that so anyone could be doing it...Therefore she is right to behave as she is...

Which brings me to my original dilema and frankly I haven't yet found any way out but this: I split , do my research and meet the newcomers again (whether they want to or not) on what I will consider a more favourable situation and terrain....even without their consent.

[Cold-Dragon]

I threw in a proposition for ya, no worries! ;) lol

on a side note, I seemed to have...misplaced...my side mission info. ^-^; I think I remember it correctly, but I'm not certain if it actually involved a koala or not. O_o

[netlich]

No fair is fair...The rules and constraints work if applied to both sides :-)

I got my propsition on th etable too...In a troll street-sammie kinda way


NOTE TO SELF : Need to simplify my stupid let's imitate a rough troll speaking text! I am starting to sound like an Irish Assassin!!!!

:-) :-) I will just cut the shortening of phrases and stuff - I think we all got th epictur that although Mark is a pro and knows his way aorund meetings he is still a troll and a not very charismatic in this...I am nto gonna be writting everytext of his speech like that anymore...I probably will caus emore problems that provide realism :-)

[Cold-Dragon]

*makes some giggle noises, then makes several watcher spirits repeat it at several different decibels and speeds* :)

[Shalimar]

Its at this point that I am going to have to step out of the game. The only help Tempty will give Celia at this point is help into a grave. She admitted that she is being paid to dig up dirt on the runners, by the group that the runners just hit. Its a prelude to the runners getting eliminated, or merely mauled(at best). There is no way that they would let her sell information about them to someone that they had just pissed off.

I'm sorry if this sticks in people's craws, but... yea. At this point the most viable move from Tempty's eyes is to kill both of them, and then search for Wang Chi on her own.

[netlich]

Well I am not gonna insist you stay as I would rather have players around me who enjoy roleplaying this story and if the situation and our actions brought it to a point where you are loosing this then I wouldn't stay if I were at your palce either...

But I am kinda taking another view of thwe whole issue that might help things along. To me this seems as more realistic Shadowrun than what I usually get into. Let me explain...


We are at a point where all characters have pretty much completely different agenda's but it is also out there to see for everybody now which makes it even more obvious

But we all have a common goal. Find out what happened to Wang Chi and find out who is behind him. If we stick toegther without trusting each other for our own reasons we cna mold the story into a realistic Shadowrun story where truly everybody mistrusts everybody....Which is the way I understand Shadowruns...

Indeed killing someone who threatens your reputation is a solution but not always the best solution. If a runers partners dissappear that runner's rep and forthcoming missions are bound to decrease...And he is bound to have more enemies in the end....

The way I see this story and find it interesting is as follows in the next post:

[Cold-Dragon]

It's also a possibility the rest of the group will fight you on the option, ICly, Shalimar. That's a realistic possibility - you try to load up guns or whatever, while someone else starts unloading them right behind you, or something.

But I can understand the situation at hand. Maybe, game wise, it's a good idea to have Tempty split off to do some searching of her own while the others take their risk? *shrugs* just a thought. Don't neccessarily have to leave.

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And, people could always tell me to just leave, and then we encounter one another later on in the great search? Is that feasible at all?

[Shalimar]

Its not a protect your rep issue, its a "If she sells them this info on us, we may very well wind up dead"

[Cold-Dragon]

I know it's not a rep issue, lol. :P

Bear in mind you don't have to say it was you guys either. You could offer to pay me or whatever else, and pretend you have no bloody clue what I'm talking about. Lie to Celia if it's accurate to the person.

[netlich]

This is form my point of view obviously and I don't mean to insult anyone.

Tempty is turning out to be a kill first ask questions later kinda gal. So watch your steps around her as you are not likeley to get second chances. Perhaps though she might also be a barking dog that doesn't bite? She threatens a lot to cover her own insecurities?...etc...This concepot could become an in party joke as well, where every wrong commment geats a death threat by Tempty ...Of course as long as these jokes don't underman her lethality and everybody respects her and the fact she iss the GunBunny and she can indeed come true with her Death threats...

Ceilia is the mystery woman that could be working against or with us. But before Mark decides he needs to kill her he needs to know a few things...Like who has hired her...killing her only to find a few pals of a Major Shadowrunning Legend Name are after you; just because you messed in their plot aint gonna fix anything and will probably send you too in the grave...So MArk has already decided that he first gets to the root of things and then starts killing...If rumours spread out too much this is bad but unavoidable...First he has to realise the extend of the damage and then starts repairring it. In fact there are so many other situations we are overlooking...Even if Ceilia is behind Wang Chi's dissapearance perhaps it might turn out she is more use to us alive as we can pay her double and get her to work for us (if she proves she is worth it of course) after her gathering of info job is done no one forces us to hire her. Perhaps it turns out she was hired to gather that info for a good cause (very very doubfull)...

Jack...Well he can easily be both the comic relief and the dramatic relief character. Relate, if you may, to Mafia movies where the least suitable guy is forced into such a situation.... Just do the parallelism...A guy who knows nothing of Mafia ettiquette realises a friend of his who he knows is related to Mafia Gangs is in trouble and he tries to find him to warn him...Having lost touch with him at a very crucial time he is left with no option than to go looking for him. His gruff and rough character though gets him originally in trouble as he says and acts the wrong way...That doesn't necessarily kill him though as the MAfia people he meets find usage for him and his knowledge...In fact I am already considering developing Mark as taking Jack under his wing and tutoring him in Shadowrunning. in fact personality wise the only thing that might rescue someone from Mark's wrath is bravery...People who look hiom in the eye after it is obvious they are in trouble, have much more a chance to live than those who grovel and beg; and Jack was stupidly brave in that respect... :-)



I have not factored in Taku yet but his neutral stance up to now has cerated no problems yet...

[Slacker]

@Shalimar: I'd hate to see you leave the group, but I can see where you are coming from.
I'm actually rather surprised see that Cold-Dragon revealed somebody hired her to find information.....
But she did just say information. I would expect your character to want to know what kind of information she is looking for (OOC, I will go ahead and tell you that the information has nothing to do with the team or its members).
Also, you are failing to realize that in a world such as Shadowrun, there can be dozens of different parties interested in a single item. If some megacorp has some new product that is going to net them billions in nuyen all 9 other megacorps are going to do their best to get it or at least prevent the originating corp from profiting from it (OOC, I will go ahead and tell you that it is not the people that you hit that hired her).
The idea of you heading off on your own is also a possibilty, I'd be perfect fine with roleplaying out your actions parrallel to the rest of the players' action. Who knows, maybe you'll eventually find some mutual ground again.

Sorry, I can't elaborate more, but I'm already late getting back to work right now after having read what everybody's been posting. I'll try to make some time tonight (though I already had plans, so we can discuss this further).

@Cold-Dragon: You'll have to wait until at least tonight for me to find the stuff on your back story, sorry.

[Cold-Dragon]

No worries, I think we're all on break, more or less, at this point. ^-^;

As far as saying someone hired me, that is a completely vague statement, which insures, sotospeak, confidentiality of who's business is nosing in. For all they know, My Mother is the employer (she's not, but it could happen!).

And as shadowrunners, it'd be silly to say I'm just nosing about something I have no business nosing into. They already know something is up with Jack. As his so-called partner, it's only natural to wonder on such things.

The catch, however, is that Jack is with me, so to say I'm working for someone sneaky, would suggest he is too. Unless I'm using him.

But that goes back into the conspiracy ring, which we don't need to get back into right now. ^-^;

[netlich]

To be honest I would be surprised/ annoyed if Tzaz and Ceilia did not say some things that will eventually and after much scrutiny turn out truthfull ...The situation was that that we all needed to hear somethign that sounds truthfullotherwise they would have to be offed just for toying with us and especially with Tmepty in her own yard...

To me the fact that Cold-Dragon did offer the fact she is lookign for information is kinda bad IC but extremely helpfull OOC as it is an obvious hint and nice ploy to get things flowing...We (as in MArk, Taku and Tempty) NEED to find what Ceilia is after...By killing her there and then we just blunder as badly as we claim Jack blunders...
Waht if Ceilia already HAS info on us and upon her death that info gets given to the wrong persons? If we wanna play paranoid there are countless scenarios I cna come up with...Which is why Mark suggested a second meet tomorrow upon which some basic research will have commenced...

By the way is Whizbang still in? Caus eI definetely need a hacker for MArk's research ideas :-)

[gobogen]

I'll tell you what, there are alternatives more drastic then what has been mentioned and that Taku would consider. Up to now, he didn't know half the story if any part of it, but as it unfolds in front of him, he has formed opinions.

A possibility would definitely be - at least for Taku - to leave this sprawl, having assassinated or not a bunch of people before leaving to cover his tracks (more likely having killed them then not). The people still "on his side" would stay alive of course, but he would split from then at least for a period of 5 years. There are other sprawls to go to.. and it's worth considering those places as safer even if more uncertain and unknown.

Anyways, I'm with Shalimar here for the most part. The safest thing to do is by far to kill and disappear ... forever. Maybe go away, change face, change name, change contacts, and come back.

A situation like this one in the shadows generally leads to a quick death. Of course Slacker convinces me that it's not the case, yet Taku doesn't know that and can't really trust anyone except Tempty at this point. And it turns out Taku will back her up when shit hits the fan.

[netlich]

Ok this does not look promising at all...

Now I would like Slacker's trake on the following but no matter what I may be thinking on the other levels I am kinda sure we are rushing a bit further IC and considering things that may have only been mentioned OOC...

The following is what I consider IC.

Way I see it...Jack has indeed blundered a bit but that won't necessarily means he is dead...yet. It will defintely mean that things are not looking good for him and looking even worse for him joinning us....The key here is joinning us after finding Wan Chi... Basic Resource Management 101 should easily tell even a low intelligent Troll like mine that before you discard even the worst item first you scan its uses ... So as far as I am concerned Tzaz can still play during this scenario and make it interesting and different than usual. The fact remains he is someone still under suspicion and yet seemingly truthfull about his being completelyout of the Shadowrun and shadoworld concept. Remember my Mafia movie example - I find it as a good paradigm.

Ceilia has appeared and given info that needs double checking. But up to know she has only said:

[gobogen]

Well the concept of the Mafia movie does have a lot of interest to me. Think Reservoir Dogs for instance. Who to trust? What to do?

My point is that I do not promess I won't try to kill someone. I don't promess I won't take drastic action if I am sure that it is realistic. For now, I can buy your general argument, netlich, that they should not die just yet. But they're clearly on my list when we're done with them, their info, and the substory. I just want to let that be known, cause some players can't accept inter-player distrust/violence/killing.

I think it makes sense. Taku doesn't need to go away necessarily just yet, but he'll make the arrangements. He doesn't need to kill the two, but he'll keep on the ready for when it is required. I leave the door open for them to save themselves, but I can't ignore that Taku is a cold-blooded, professional killer that does not take possible threats to his person lightly.

[Cold-Dragon]

well...at least I know I'll have a challenge at some point if I make it through finding Wang! lol....*starts sorting out spell options...*

ugh, waiting for people makes me feel like I'm on trial. >.< stupid impatience, heh. No offense to those present of course. I'm the problem (and I'm stuck with three kids - not good conditions).