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post Sep 13 2005, 08:36 PM
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I'm discussing the rules with a few friends and while we've determined that hacking an individual PAN is not going to be a common practice used against the 'runners (it's difficult, and, it's not that useful compared to other things a security guy could do), the problem that comes up is this:

Even though the risk is minimal, if you're Joe Samurai or any non-rigger/hacker character, why on Earth would you take the risk *at all* of linking your devices (and especially your cyberware) up to a commlink and thus rendering it hackable?

Setting aside for the nonce the social reasons (everybody's doing it), to some, there would appear to be precious little reason to link *ANY* devices to a PAN, even if they had max firewall and IC and such out the wazoo. Smartlinks can be done with contact lenses and a skinlink, most other devices can be done with a skinlink, your cyberware all appears to work just fine without a commlink and with regards to each other, etcetera.

Off the top of my head there are only a VERY few situations you'd absolutely need something wireless despite the risks involved (and I am researching this but soliciting help here):

* You could possibly have set up with your commlink, if you wanted, to trigger stuff via an agent/frame to operate your 'ware/devices on autopilot if you went unconscious. (but you could just load the frame into the device itself), like a medkit in a cyberleg that automatically tried to first aid you if you went down.

* You need a wireless link if you have an Ocular Drone.

* The AR rules on page 208 say that the GM might grant a bonus of +1 to +3 (or penalty of -1 to -3) for actions where AR was appropriate and one presumes you had the correct tool. This might apply to certain pieces of cyberware.

However, none of this stuff seems to be all that big of a deal compared to the risks. There seems to be no /drawback/ to not being wireless, only some slight benefits, and lots of risks. So: Why?
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- Shayd   Why Go Wireless?   Sep 13 2005, 08:36 PM
- - Shadow_Prophet   Well first off. All devices for the most part are...   Sep 13 2005, 08:50 PM
- - SL James   I think he means wireless PAN, which I agree isn...   Sep 13 2005, 08:59 PM
- - Shayd   This is correct: why is samurai guy gonna link any...   Sep 13 2005, 10:02 PM
- - apple   The answer is easy: the professional who has to as...   Sep 13 2005, 10:53 PM
- - Shayd   See, Apple, your statements are the ones I'm h...   Sep 14 2005, 02:37 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Shayd) I don't need anyone to tell me w...   Sep 14 2005, 04:33 AM
- - hahnsoo   Think of how many people today sit in coffee house...   Sep 14 2005, 04:40 AM
- - Elldren   QUOTE (Shayd) I don't need anyone to tell me w...   Sep 14 2005, 04:49 AM
- - Fortune   Then just what are Skinlinks good for?   Sep 14 2005, 04:51 AM
- - hobgoblin   this i think was coverd in a diffrent thread some ...   Sep 14 2005, 04:52 AM
- - Ranneko   You cannot jam a skin link.   Sep 14 2005, 04:53 AM
- - Elldren   Jamming aside (which is a very valid concern), mos...   Sep 14 2005, 05:25 AM
- - Fortune   Ok ... Say I have a gun bunny with an implanted S...   Sep 14 2005, 06:25 AM
- - Elldren   You can't skinlink implants, as they aren...   Sep 14 2005, 06:42 AM
- - Fortune   So there really is absolutely no equivalent to the...   Sep 14 2005, 07:00 AM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   Or, untils Arsenal is available, simply assume tha...   Sep 14 2005, 07:25 AM
- - Earthwalker   Wont a Skin linked gun and a implanted smart gun s...   Sep 14 2005, 11:48 AM
- - warrior_allanon   adept, smart shades, wired to gun down the sleeve,...   Sep 14 2005, 01:28 PM
- - Shadow_Prophet   Well lets look at the pro's and con's of w...   Sep 14 2005, 01:33 PM
- - Nyxll   QUOTE (Shayd @ Sep 14 2005, 12:37 PM) I don...   Sep 14 2005, 01:50 PM
- - Fox1   Frankly I find the whole 'everything is wirele...   Sep 14 2005, 01:52 PM
- - Nyxll   QUOTE In all honesty, what are you doing without h...   Sep 14 2005, 01:59 PM
- - Coasini   I've added routers and router ports back into ...   Sep 14 2005, 02:05 PM
- - Shadow_Prophet   QUOTE (Nyxll) QUOTE (Shayd @ Sep 14 2005, 12:...   Sep 14 2005, 02:08 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Coasini)I've added routers and router p...   Sep 14 2005, 02:10 PM
- - Shadow_Prophet   QUOTE (Nyxll) QUOTE In all honesty, what are you d...   Sep 14 2005, 02:12 PM
- - Coasini   Rotbart: What page is that? At any rate, the reas...   Sep 14 2005, 02:12 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (SR4 p. 330 Cyberware)In addition to wireles...   Sep 14 2005, 02:15 PM
- - Coasini   Thanks.   Sep 14 2005, 02:16 PM
- - kigmatzomat   QUOTE (Fortune) Say I have a gun bunny with an imp...   Sep 14 2005, 02:31 PM
- - azraeluk   I must confess to being confused a little about th...   Sep 14 2005, 03:37 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (kigmatzomat) Cyber should already take adva...   Sep 14 2005, 03:40 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   As long as you don't disable it wireless featu...   Sep 14 2005, 03:46 PM
- - Shadow_Prophet   QUOTE (azraeluk) I must confess to being confused ...   Sep 14 2005, 03:56 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Shadow_Prophet)If you are not online, no yo...   Sep 14 2005, 03:58 PM
- - Fox1   The very idea that Corps wouldn't detect (let ...   Sep 14 2005, 04:04 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   Actually, as it was stated multiple times before, ...   Sep 14 2005, 04:07 PM
- - Fox1   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) Actually, as it was sta...   Sep 14 2005, 04:20 PM
- - Mightyflapjack   Nyxll wrote:QUOTE Granted there are certain techno...   Sep 14 2005, 04:20 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   Actually, the RFID could even be outfitted with a ...   Sep 14 2005, 04:26 PM
- - Shadow_Prophet   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) Actually, as it was sta...   Sep 14 2005, 05:00 PM
- - Nyxll   QUOTE Oh horray for sarcasm. Thats what hidden m...   Sep 14 2005, 05:22 PM
- - Nyxll   QUOTE (Shadow_Prophet) If you are not online, no y...   Sep 14 2005, 05:33 PM
- - Fox1   QUOTE (Nyxll) The benefits of wireless are not tha...   Sep 14 2005, 05:46 PM
- - Backgammon   Here's a few reasons I can think of why Joe Sa...   Sep 14 2005, 06:03 PM
- - kigmatzomat   Wireless data service is good, wireless devices ar...   Sep 14 2005, 06:06 PM
- - Nyxll   QUOTE (kigmatzomat @ Sep 14 2005, 01:06 PM) W...   Sep 14 2005, 06:18 PM
- - Shadow_Prophet   If you had read all my replies you would have seen...   Sep 14 2005, 06:50 PM
- - Earthwalker   I think I am just repeating what some people have ...   Sep 14 2005, 07:32 PM
- - Eldritch   QUOTE 6) Olfactory/taste booster (and other data g...   Sep 14 2005, 07:39 PM
- - Shadow_Prophet   QUOTE (Eldritch) QUOTE 6) Olfactory/taste booster ...   Sep 14 2005, 07:41 PM
- - hobgoblin   hmm, i just thought of something. if the building ...   Sep 14 2005, 07:55 PM
- - Fox1   QUOTE (hobgoblin) hmm, i just thought of something...   Sep 14 2005, 08:03 PM
- - Nyxll   QUOTE If you had read all my replies you would hav...   Sep 14 2005, 08:42 PM
- - kigmatzomat   QUOTE (Shayd) However, the *game itself* implies t...   Sep 14 2005, 08:58 PM
- - Nikoli   Now I defintely see a reason for ghouls to get com...   Sep 14 2005, 09:00 PM
- - Shadow_Prophet   In response to you Nyxll. You're comparing fu...   Sep 14 2005, 09:03 PM
- - hobgoblin   about labs and wireless, most likely the labs are ...   Sep 14 2005, 09:20 PM
- - Dashifen   I guess I don't understand the problem. Runne...   Sep 14 2005, 09:42 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Shadow_Prophet)Assuming the shades you...   Sep 14 2005, 09:53 PM
- - Elldren   QUOTE (Fox1) The system wouldn’t react to signals ...   Sep 15 2005, 12:01 AM
- - Shadow_Prophet   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) QUOTE (Shadow_Prophet)A...   Sep 15 2005, 12:22 AM
- - Nyxll   QUOTE (Shadow_Prophet) Its going to frag the team ...   Sep 15 2005, 12:25 AM
- - Shadow_Prophet   QUOTE (Nyxll) QUOTE (Shadow_Prophet @ Sep 14 ...   Sep 15 2005, 12:47 AM
- - Nyxll   Your arguements are based on rulesets written by p...   Sep 15 2005, 01:15 AM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Nyxll) What I am basing things on is physic...   Sep 15 2005, 01:45 AM
- - Spookymonster   QUOTE (Nyxll) Here is a cool idea. ... a nanite wi...   Sep 15 2005, 01:52 AM
- - Nyxll   QUOTE (Spookymonster) QUOTE (Nyxll @ Sep 14 2...   Sep 15 2005, 02:18 AM
- - Fox1   QUOTE (Elldren @ Sep 14 2005, 07:01 PM) Consi...   Sep 15 2005, 03:25 AM
- - Westiex   QUOTE The future network is only somewhat based o...   Sep 15 2005, 04:10 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Nyxll) well ... I was thinking that it the ...   Sep 15 2005, 05:26 AM
- - sapphire_wyvern   There's another point to consider as well. Su...   Sep 15 2005, 07:00 AM
- - hahnsoo   QUOTE (sapphire_wyvern) Sure, the Second Crash too...   Sep 15 2005, 07:04 AM
- - sapphire_wyvern   Anyway, getting back to the topic at hand. I woul...   Sep 15 2005, 07:07 AM
- - Tal   QUOTE (hahnsoo) Except those owned by Saeder-Krupp...   Sep 15 2005, 07:49 AM
- - hahnsoo   QUOTE (Tal) QUOTE (hahnsoo @ Sep 15 2005, 05:...   Sep 15 2005, 08:26 AM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Shadow_Prophet)First off I was talking abou...   Sep 15 2005, 10:44 AM
- - azraeluk   QUOTE (Shadow_Prophet) If you're hidden, unles...   Sep 15 2005, 12:02 PM
- - azraeluk   QUOTE (Backgammon)1) Smartlink: teammates can see ...   Sep 15 2005, 12:19 PM
- - Nyxll   QUOTE (azraeluk) QUOTE (Backgammon)1) Smartlink: t...   Sep 15 2005, 12:54 PM
- - azraeluk   QUOTE (Nyxll) In order to eject clips and see what...   Sep 15 2005, 01:06 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   Rule of thumb: As any device has a System and a F...   Sep 15 2005, 01:12 PM
- - Dashifen   Rotbart: Indeed. Also, remember that the job of ...   Sep 15 2005, 01:20 PM
- - booklord   Here's a quick scenario...... The runners hav...   Sep 15 2005, 01:32 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   Security Scanners in every room indeed would be ra...   Sep 15 2005, 01:32 PM
- - azraeluk   Hmm.. another question.. If my PAN has a radius...   Sep 15 2005, 01:54 PM
- - Dashifen   All my judgements based on how I will run my games...   Sep 15 2005, 01:58 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   ARO's need Interaction of the Commlink, which ...   Sep 15 2005, 02:00 PM
- - Shadow_Prophet   This has gotten far too funy. Rotbart, the exampl...   Sep 15 2005, 02:01 PM
- - Dashifen   QUOTE If my PAN has a radius of only a few metres ...   Sep 15 2005, 02:03 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Shadow_Prophet) Rotbart, the example i was ...   Sep 15 2005, 02:05 PM
- - Shadow_Prophet   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) QUOTE (Shadow_Prophet ...   Sep 15 2005, 02:16 PM
- - azraeluk   QUOTE (Dashifen)QUOTE If my PAN has a radius of on...   Sep 15 2005, 02:24 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Shadow_Prophet)Becase we all know we're...   Sep 15 2005, 02:27 PM
- - Shadow_Prophet   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) QUOTE (Shadow_Prophet)B...   Sep 15 2005, 02:34 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   As the EM field of the body extends some cm, it wo...   Sep 15 2005, 02:37 PM
- - Autarkis   Well, for Shadowrunners, you are assuming that the...   Sep 15 2005, 02:52 PM
- - Shadow_Prophet   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) As the EM field of the ...   Sep 15 2005, 02:57 PM
- - hobgoblin   thing is that wireless is inherently less secure t...   Sep 15 2005, 03:05 PM
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