Ohhh! That's a good conspiracy theory! That's way better than the "FanPro is trying to make more money on PDF sales" one.

The bindery took way way way longer than they originally told us they would. We're not going to use them again.

Never pre-order from Amazon. Ever.

Um... how come?

i got that same one buddy =(

They suck in shipping RPG books. Or at least having them available.
Better order at an online-RPG-store.

I don't understand why the errata issue is such a issue with people. I mean seriously? Did you expect them not to print any of these books untill after GenCon and its release?

Grow the heck up people. This happens with every thing. First printings always have mistakes when it comes to RPG's or even just games in general. Honestly, why are you holding fanpro, which sometimes having trouble living up to even reasonable standards, to even higher standards? Cut them some slack. Go grab the pdf and print it out if you don't like it.

Seriously listen to your arguments about things. Its taken them this long to get the SR4 out to us and they had started printing long before this point, in a effort to make it for GenCon. When do you think you would be getting it if they decided to wait till after GenCon to do the print JUST for you people who feel their entitled to special treatment?

Would it have been better for FanPro to not publish any errata until the book finally hit the stores?

Even that would be disorientating. You should have waited at least a year to publish the first set of errata, if ever. That's closer to the norm of the past of RPG games.

Yes, they are soulless corporate ZOMBIES! I guess you don't have to pay them much....

Perhaps put out the PDF version early enough so that you get your errata feedback in time for the printed version to be updated. Although since errata keeps coming for quite some time, the printed version would never arrive

First off, if you have seen any of my posts on the matter you would realize I have lost complete faith in fanpro concerning their ability to do anything. I've publicly stated that I think they've botched this thing from the begining especialy the decimination of information.

But atleast my argument has a basis in reality here.

Its rediculous that a book need eratta changes after its been sent to the printers and getting out to the public? I suppose you've never had a piece of software that needed a patch or haven't looked at the pages and pages of erata on all the 3rd ed stuff. Much less you've never looked at the fact that every game out there has errata from its first printing.

If you noticed, theres been problems here and there. Fanpro has royaly screwed up yes. Thats why its taken so long to get this book out that should have been ready for sale to the general at the begining of september. The first printing just got finished binding. And their shipping it out now. You don't just scrap a entire pile of almost completely correct books that realy only need a few minor changes and common sense applied to them, and waste all that money because a few people are making unrealistic demands.

Grow the hell up.

Its one thing to yell at them for it taking so long and botching this whole thing. Its another for you to yell at them that they should have scraped everything and reprinted it just for you and wasted all that money.

I'll be first in line to blast Fanpro here about their lack of communication and their poor handeling of this entire thing. But you're here making unreasonable demands on a company that can barely get its act together to put out what we have, which, considering some of the recent releases from very well known rpg makers, is a hell of a good product all in all (assuming you don't count the artwork).

Where did I say they should scrap everything and reprint it with the errata? You sure read alot into that....you know what happens when we ASSume. I didn't demand anything besides a product on the shelves in a timely manner which pretty much any customer demands.

Allow me to bold your above statements from which I drew my conclusions.

Those two statements combined with the fact that the argument had shifted to discussions of errata in the first printing lead me to believe that you were not just upset with how long it took to come out, but as well one of those who was pissed that the eratta was not in it.

Want to call me a ass go right ahead if it makes you feel better.

Well Thats true certainly there are a few of those mistakes. But considering we're actualy finaly be able to get the damn book I'm happy with the fact there are less mistakes in this than there are in some other recent RPG books. Heck with the way they've handled things, we should be lucky that we will have the book when we do.

What do you expect from soulless workers, Sol?

I thought that was part of the normal cost of doing business. Now, if this were an ordinary supplement, I could see maybe only printing/binding/storing a few copies. But I think it's safe to say that the new BBB would be popular enough to justify pushing hard to make it happen. It's less of a risk for the base set than for any expansion.
And if history is any judge, it's FAR less risky than another Rigger book!

Of course, the problems aren't just there either. The people up- and down-stream of them have to deliver too. But for it to take THIS long after the 'official' release date if ridiculous. This ain't just a couple of weeks....