Full Version: Underbarrel Grenade Launcher?
I have been looking in the street gear for one, and can't find it. Would I be correct to assume that the Grenade launchers listed can be mounted underbarrel?
You'll have to wait for Arsenal for that one. The SR3 rules said something along the lines of being able to use the launchers as an attachment with a -2 conceal modifer. However, I think they don't have mounted launchers in there for a reason for now.
Well, since they allowed it before, I bet I could get my GM to allow me to have the smallest one underbarrel. Still, kinda sucks that there is no official underbarrels.
Don't expect to be concealing it... at all... Also, you'll need the appropriate skill for it.
Good gawd, of course I wouldn't try to conceal it! Heh.
I figure it would be the big gun to take on the serious runs, not grocery shopping....
And yeah, I belive it requires heavy weapons skill, and I am hooked up with that.
I figure it would be the big gun to take on the serious runs, not grocery shopping....
And yeah, I belive it requires heavy weapons skill, and I am hooked up with that.
It's there in the firearms list, and it costs 1700 
plus likely about a...hrm, Armorer Extended Test (5, 10 minutes) to remove it from the Ares Alpha you just bought. 
plus likely about a...hrm, Armorer Extended Test (5, 10 minutes) to remove it from the Ares Alpha you just bought.
If you're into AGLs, why not get more range, firepower, and accuracy, while also making ammo handling easier, with a Mk 19 Mod 3 or an HK GMG? Or, if you don't mind trading lethality and penetration for much lighter weight and greater accuracy, the XM307 OCSW?
oh that is so lovely.
I can see it being used by an orc or a troll w/ or w/out a the gyromount harness. A lovely picture of the character walking down the street blazing away...
For some reason, I'm now imagining a scene from Hudson Hawk (dunno why), where the two characters are walking/dancing along while stopping to shoot a mine here and there. Ugh.
I can see it being used by an orc or a troll w/ or w/out a the gyromount harness. A lovely picture of the character walking down the street blazing away...
For some reason, I'm now imagining a scene from Hudson Hawk (dunno why), where the two characters are walking/dancing along while stopping to shoot a mine here and there. Ugh.
Bad movie, really funny scene.
For some reason that makes me think "Ba ba ba.... *wait for it* boom boom boom"
But back to the main point of this thread, yeah, Sr4 is lacking an underbarrel GL.
For some reason that makes me think "Ba ba ba.... *wait for it* boom boom boom"
But back to the main point of this thread, yeah, Sr4 is lacking an underbarrel GL.
Range for the GL is on page 139, scatter is on 145. Damage would be the same as the grenade type used.
If someone asked for one in my game I would probably go with something like:
1. Under the Barrel. Around 500-1000 if your getting it mounted under the barrel. It would be SS with a 1 one round chamber. availability of 15F. Plus you'd need an armorer to mount it but it wouldn't be too hard.
2. Single shot version: A stand alone version, (SS) would probably run around 1000-1500 with a 1 round chamber, same availability. This would be like the type used in Vietnam, where you break open the tube, shotgun style, to load it.
3. Automatic: For a military version..around 3000-5000+ but it'd be (SA) with a 10-15 round clip, and around a 18F availability.
Of course if you start chucking grenades around, the high threat response teams are going to be called in ASAP.
p.s. I'd add around a 25% mark up for the grenades as well as make them 14-15F, since these are specialized rounds.
If someone asked for one in my game I would probably go with something like:
1. Under the Barrel. Around 500-1000 if your getting it mounted under the barrel. It would be SS with a 1 one round chamber. availability of 15F. Plus you'd need an armorer to mount it but it wouldn't be too hard.
2. Single shot version: A stand alone version, (SS) would probably run around 1000-1500 with a 1 round chamber, same availability. This would be like the type used in Vietnam, where you break open the tube, shotgun style, to load it.
3. Automatic: For a military version..around 3000-5000+ but it'd be (SA) with a 10-15 round clip, and around a 18F availability.
Of course if you start chucking grenades around, the high threat response teams are going to be called in ASAP.
p.s. I'd add around a 25% mark up for the grenades as well as make them 14-15F, since these are specialized rounds.
Why such high availabilities? You can, out the gate, have an Ares Alpha. Therefore, the UGL should have an availability LESS than an Ares Alpha.
And why single shot? Sure, they were used in 'Nam, but that was a hundred years ago in game time! WE don't use guns from a hundred years ago, so why would Shadowrunners?
And why single shot? Sure, they were used in 'Nam, but that was a hundred years ago in game time! WE don't use guns from a hundred years ago, so why would Shadowrunners?
More importantly, why on earth would I buy a single-shot shoulder-fired GL for 1000-1500 when I could buy an Ares Antioch-2 for 600, with an 8 round magazine? (Availability: 8F)
And why buy an automatic for 3000-5000 when the MGL-12 does the same thing for 2000? (Availability: 10F)
Edit: and why buy your specialized grenades when the rules directly state "Minigrenades have the same cost and effects as standard grenades".
And why buy an automatic for 3000-5000 when the MGL-12 does the same thing for 2000? (Availability: 10F)
Edit: and why buy your specialized grenades when the rules directly state "Minigrenades have the same cost and effects as standard grenades".
Well, the SR3 main rulebook lists the Ares Antioch (p279) as being either a stand-alone launcher, or one you can fit underbarrel.
The SR4 main rulebook lists the Ares Antioch 2 (p310) under grenade launchers, but doesn't specify that you can use it underbarrel. One could just conclude that you CAN do so, same as with the Mk1, and use the costs and stats listed there, no?
The SR4 main rulebook lists the Ares Antioch 2 (p310) under grenade launchers, but doesn't specify that you can use it underbarrel. One could just conclude that you CAN do so, same as with the Mk1, and use the costs and stats listed there, no?
Why do I have the feeling that the listing for the Antioch 2 will be errata'ed at some point to point out that it can be used underbarrel?
Because I'm always right and everyone loves me?
| QUOTE (Gothic Rose) |
| Why such high availabilities? You can, out the gate, have an Ares Alpha. Therefore, the UGL should have an availability LESS than an Ares Alpha. And why single shot? Sure, they were used in 'Nam, but that was a hundred years ago in game time! WE don't use guns from a hundred years ago, so why would Shadowrunners? |
My apologies for not checking the book. I had assumed the guns weren't in there by the tone of the original post. But checking the book I see that they are.
Regardless I was just offering suggestions...
Anyway, as for the person who said we don't use guns from a hundred years ago, I point to the double action revolvers introduced in the late 19th century, and the colt automatic pistol of 1911.
A few refinements here and there, mostly in the materials used to make em..but the general concept is very much the same.
It's not a stretch of the imagination at all to think that some weapon designs will last another hundred years, or much longer (see swords and knives.)
| QUOTE (Kleaner) |
| and the colt automatic pistol of 1911. |
Amen to that. The 1911 is a very commonly used pistol today. My personal favorite as a matter of fact.
Not to mention the M-79 is a specialist weapon - no matter what the current payload is for a mini-grenade, it becomes "er" when fitted to a 40mm platform.
Which means a one-shot support weapon can be outfitted for bigger bangs, longer range delivery on smoke and special loads - CS, various gas loads and so forth.
No matter how spiffy the micro or mini grenades may be, a 40mm would be more dramatic.
And you still have the secondary bennies of a 40mm platform - indirect fire support.
I think I talked Ray into creating a linear delivery system to turn the M-79 into a linear target system, which could make the launcher functional for engaging airborne targets and some ground vehicles.
As for old weapons - staring down the barrel of a Thompson or a BAR is still as dangerous today as it was in the 40s. Are they as spiffy as more recent innovations in weapons technology? Nope - but they still get the job done.
-Siege
Which means a one-shot support weapon can be outfitted for bigger bangs, longer range delivery on smoke and special loads - CS, various gas loads and so forth.
No matter how spiffy the micro or mini grenades may be, a 40mm would be more dramatic.
And you still have the secondary bennies of a 40mm platform - indirect fire support.
I think I talked Ray into creating a linear delivery system to turn the M-79 into a linear target system, which could make the launcher functional for engaging airborne targets and some ground vehicles.
As for old weapons - staring down the barrel of a Thompson or a BAR is still as dangerous today as it was in the 40s. Are they as spiffy as more recent innovations in weapons technology? Nope - but they still get the job done.
-Siege
| QUOTE (Gothic Rose @ Oct 27 2005, 03:29 PM) |
| Why such high availabilities? You can, out the gate, have an Ares Alpha. Therefore, the UGL should have an availability LESS than an Ares Alpha. And why single shot? Sure, they were used in 'Nam, but that was a hundred years ago in game time! WE don't use guns from a hundred years ago, so why would Shadowrunners? |
Isn't the Ares Alpha for elite forces and such? And the reason I feel the availability should be more is because they readily sell the Alpha as is. They don't sell under barrel grenade launchers as readily as the weapon with it already mounted. There would be less demand for the mounted launcher alone due to the fact that not everyone has the desire or abiluity to mount one in the first place. It is illegal afterall.
They did have semiauto launchers in SR3, but is it really necessary? The last time I checked, all I ever needed was one grenade. But then again, the things that lurk in the shadows are SCARY!
Dude, I want a full-auto launcher...
Just think of the suppresive fire...
Just think of the suppresive fire...
| QUOTE (Squinky) |
| Dude, I want a full-auto launcher... Just think of the suppresive fire... |
That's been the general reaction to anyone with the opportunity to work an automatic grenade launcher.
-Siege
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