Hi there, I'm the new guy.

I got SR4 for Xmas and spent the last days reading. Now I have some questions... maybe you veterans can help me?

First question: A shotgun's range is almost halved when loading Flechette Ammo. Sounds reasonable enough, but what happens to other firearms using Flechette Ammo? Is their range reduced as well?

Edit: The title should read 'n00b' not 'b00b', sorry...

heh, was wondering about the title

anyways, as far as i can tell, flechette has no drawbacks for any other guns. so don't ever use regular ammo unless you're fighting someone who's not worth the money for something better.

Dammit, I was lured by the title.

Where the hell's the boob question?

Cyber boobs!

actually, i think there was a post about cyber boobs a while back.

specifically, i think it was talking about how IRL someone got a mp3 player or something in an implant

With organ cloning and mass production advances wouldn't having a boob job to have So-and-so's boobs take on a whole new level.

As for the guns, I don't think flichete reduces the range in non-shotguns. But why are we talking about guns in a boob thread. ... Unless we are realy talking about Fem-bots. The only soft and cuddly cyberzombies.

would that be considered a cybergun? heheh...

You don't need to be a cyberzombie to fit a shotgun in a breast you just need a creative surgeon. Certainly, it would be a surprise to gropers.

"Hey baby, how are you *BANG!* Aouuu God my hand! You SHOT my *bleep*in hand off! What the *bleep*! *several more bleeps spread out randomly* My hand *and some more bleeps*

Austin Powers-style boob guns loaded with flechette? Range won´t matter, the opponents are lured closer first... like all of us into this thread...

*thinksaboutitandducksbehindcover*

*thinks about supercolliginated skingrafts and an internal neosilicone pump inside the chest leading to the smart polymer implants*

Any size, any shape, any texture, any time...

Man I need a GF...

Lol, such a small typo...
Sorry again guys.
Ok, here is another question: Since a gas mask grants immunity to inhalation toxins, why would I buy a more expensive Respirator that just adds dice to the test? Did I miss something?

The gas mask has an air resevoire and has a limited duration. Also it is bulkier and heavier. A human operating at high exertion is running through about 6 grams of Oxygen a minute, and that adds up really fast if it is your intent to keep all of it inside an enviro-sealed suit that you carry around with you. Humans don't absorb nearly 100% of the Oxygen they breathe in, so anything capable of keeping you going for even an hour of heavy activity is going to be quite heavy. And at that point, "heavy activity" might include "carrying the heavy Oxygen resevoire."

-Frank

nevermind

also, in some places it's actually common to wear a respirator in public.

it's probably a lot less common to wear a gas mask everywhere you go.

plus gas masks are unpleasant to wear, or such is my understanding (having never actually worn one to be honest).

gas masks are not all that bad to wear, (from experience), its a lot better than say puking your guts up, literally. the only suggestion i would give would be to not try and fire anything that you have to pull close to aim. their a real pain then. spray and pray weapons, pistols and shotguns are fine, but something like an XM-30 or a Barret would be a pain.

Thanks for all the help.
I especially like the thought that Gas Masks interfere with sight while Respirators do not... some food for thought there...
Here is another:
What happens if someone gets affected by the same toxin more than once in short succession? For example someone is hit twice by a Squirt Gun loaded with Narcoject that was fired in SA mode... What happens when the turn ends? Some kind of overdose effect? Or is affected just affected and that's it? How long until he can be affected again? Just asking for your input here...

bleagh, gas masks suck, especially if they're old. there are internal leaks, so your lenses are constantly fogging up; your face sweats and creates pools wherever the mask clamps against your skin; you can't breathe as easily; old straps lose their elasticity, so you have to draw the damn mask painfully tight just to make sure there aren't external leaks; trying to get a drink requires a special attachment, the mouthpiece of which is constantly poking into your lip... i could go on, but suffice to say that i strongly disagree with warrior_allanon's assessment.

I have to agree with mfb on the comfortability of gas masks, but I also agree with warrior_allanon in that it's better than puking your guts out.

when going on our final exercize in basic, i opted to just suck up (literally) the tear gas rather than bother with the damn mask.

for the record, when i said it was uncomfortable, i wasn't suggesting a reason someone wouldn't use one if they knew they were going to be facing some kind of unpleasant inhalation gas.

i was more pointing out why someone might prefer a respirator instead. simply put, you can be always wearing a respirator, and people might think it's a little odd, but probably won't think you're a terrorist about to gas bomb everything around you. people wear them to protect from pollution, for example.

Well, it depends on how old your respirator is, as well. A brand spanking new one might not attract too much attention, a smelly duck from WWI, on the other hand, would ruin social rolls.

Which reminds me of a NSFW-ish website called www.ratemygasmask.com. Because some gas masks just look better than others.

finally, an on-topic post!

Haha. It was on both topics I guess. Concidering the "contains nudity" warning.

mfb:

Platelet Factories do not reduce Stun Damage, right?

That is not certain to say.

Hm...

What is the AP value of a Sniper Rifle loaded with APDS rounds? -4 or -7?

The latter.

I see. Thanks. I just thought because in all the examples where flechette rules are applied (shotguns, fragmentation grenades etc.) the AP is replaced by +2 instead of added, it might work the same way with other ammo types. The difference might be the switch to a different armor type used to resist flechette and gel... or am I wrong there again?

On the other hand it says "wounds" and "bleeding" which IMO implies physical damage only.

If you have a hematoma you are practically bleeding, but you have no open wound. You may get those from a "treatment" with a blunt weapon.
Is it physical or Stun damage?

You unfortunately can't really restrict all Stun damage to blunt trauma and all Physical to lacerations, but those remain good guidelines. For example, I've taken a punch (Stun?) or two before that resulted in a good deal of bleeding (Physical?). Broken bones from unarmed combat are much the same thing.

For a long-and-ultimately-fruitless debate over which real world injuries would be Stun and which would be Physical, search these forums for stuff about the Lightning Bolt spell.

So, in the spirit of abstract rules for sake of simplicity, they probably just said "Eh, platelet factory can apply to all damage."

i think most blunt weapons do physical now. Just the sap and punches do stun.

I'd going to go out on a limb and say that if Platelet factories reduce damage caused by a manabolt then they'll also reduce damage caused by drain. Of course, I interperate drain not as condition mointer boxes filled for no apparent reason but as raw mana ripping your body apart from the inside as you struggle to channel it into a useful spell. Stun drain may cause bruises, headaches, bleeding from eyes, nose, and mouth, ect. Physical drain causes important organs to tear and rupture, among other things. Basicly, I interperate it to be like stigmata, real wounds caused by magic. Actual cases of sitgmata and similar phenomona are probably early magicians who dont know how to handle drain.

I always view platel factories as only healing physical damage.

Sometimes, I wonder what exactly some of the fiction writers smoke.

All that CS gas does on the skin is tingle, it will burn a little if you are sweating, but it is nothing like when it hits your eyes,nose.throat or lungs, I have hardly even slowed down running through a CS field with my P-Mask on in Ft. Bragg. Plus if you have any type of armor clothing on as well as a P-mask CS gas will not even effect you at all. Nerve agent is another matter if the gas gets through your mask you are screwed. Liguid agent on your skin is bad, but gaseous nerve agent I do not believe can effect you via the contact vector.

maybe by 2070 the tear gas is better?

in any case, the books lists both vectrors, but doesn't address what happnes if you protect only one.

If it can get you by both vectors, and you protect only one, the other one is more than enough that you are affected.

there's a pretty big difference beween something that feels like a sunburn and something that makes you cough until you puke.

you could do that with tailored pheromones easily enough. panic spreads from person to person that way.