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Union Jane
Shouldn't it be here already? With the release of Fourth Edition, one would think the production line would have been set, with the first few books ready to roll out within a few months of one another.

*braces for a barrage from harried writers*
Zen Shooter01
Jane, you must become a student of the Tao of FanPro.

There are products, but no release dates.

There are release dates, but no products.

When you can snatch the D6 from my hand, your training will be complete.
Union Jane
Right-o. Makes sense now, at least in a vague sort of way.
Zen Shooter01
The longer you hang around, the more sense it makes. It's like becoming institutionalized. Like in prison. wink.gif

FanPro couldn't hit a release date with a flamethrower. So they've given up on release dates, and now everything is just "upcoming". Trust me, I want Arsenal real bad, too.

I agree: organizing things for a strong launch of the line with the first couple of expansions coming out quickly would make a lot of sense. C'est la vie.
runefire32
Well normaly it makes a little sense...But...you've got a 20 page book...and a screen that has...charts...already printed...

Azralon
QUOTE (Zen Shooter01)
There are products, but no release dates.

There are release dates, but no products.

At least there is symmetry.
MrMiracle
My iBook is my GM screen smile.gif
omi_aoine
I dont think your iBook got cool Shadowrun Artworks on the players side...
mdynna
When has the GM Screen ever had *cool* artworks? When has there ever been a *cool* piece of Shadowrun art? You look at some other RPG's and the art in their books and then you look at Shadowrun... sad.
runefire32
QUOTE (mdynna)
When has the GM Screen ever had *cool* artworks? When has there ever been a *cool* piece of Shadowrun art? You look at some other RPG's and the art in their books and then you look at Shadowrun... sad.

I'm sorry, open up the second eddition manual.

Whiney-Morgan Caseless Machinegun.

Colt L36.

Citymaster complete with upsidedown spread egal lonestar officer on the front.

GMC Banshee.

80-90% of the rest of the art in there....

That atleast answers the 'cool' piece of shadowrun art...
John_Wicker
I've run SR4 exactly three times so far, and most of that time has been spent flipping back and forth, looking for how to roll an attack on IC or what the difference between a narrow and a wide burst are.

I've been putting together a GM Cheat Sheet, in the absence of a GM screen, but it's far from finished. Would anyone else be interested in contributing to this, as a community project?

I'm not interested in taking money from FanPro or infringing on anyone's copyright, but I need some kind of quick-reference or my players are eventually going to kill me nyahnyah.gif
Aku
QUOTE (runefire)
Citymaster complete with upsidedown spread egal lonestar officer on the front.


This i'd like to see biggrin.gif
Zolhex
QUOTE (John_Wicker @ Feb 3 2006, 04:34 PM)
I've run SR4 exactly three times so far, and most of that time has been spent flipping back and forth, looking for how to roll an attack on IC or what the difference between a narrow and a wide burst are.

I've been putting together a GM Cheat Sheet, in the absence of a GM screen, but it's far from finished. Would anyone else be interested in contributing to this, as a community project?

I'm not interested in taking money from FanPro or infringing on anyone's copyright, but I need some kind of quick-reference or my players are eventually going to kill me  nyahnyah.gif

there is one somewhere here on dumpshock I know I have it printed out. heck it may even be on my puter still but I am dead tired from work right now to go look never knew making t-shirts was so hard lol.
Union Jane
Seriously, is there Someone In The Know who has a vague date in mind for this release?
Adam
The GM Screen, along with On the Run, are both in the final stages of production and will be going to press within the next couple weeks. On The Run will probably hit first, as the GM screen has multiple components, has to be shrinkwrapped, etc.
Dr. K
All I know is that you can pre-order it still. wobble.gif
stevebugge
QUOTE (Adam)
The GM Screen, along with On the Run, are both in the final stages of production and will be going to press within the next couple weeks. On The Run will probably hit first, as the GM screen has multiple components, has to be shrinkwrapped, etc.

So experience tells us that about 6 weeks for printing plus 4-6 more to reach stores. So we might see it in Mid-April to Early May.
Union Jane
Such an inexcusably long span between core-book release and supplement release doesn't look very professional. I realise that the publishers were driven by a "let's get this out by GenCon" agenda, but I should rather think releasing a game without support isn't a good business move. Instead you take the time to write and complete the first few books in the line, then release them in orderly fashion to build and sustain a readership.

This is my problem with the gaming industry (exacerbated by the glut of haphazard D20 companies), and sadly FanPro seems to have fallen victim to it.
runefire32
QUOTE (stevebugge)
QUOTE (Adam @ Feb 8 2006, 07:07 PM)
The GM Screen, along with On the Run, are both in the final stages of production and will be going to press within the next couple weeks. On The Run will probably hit first, as the GM screen has multiple components, has to be shrinkwrapped, etc.

So experience tells us that about 6 weeks for printing plus 4-6 more to reach stores. So we might see it in Mid-April to Early May.

You forgot to factor in time to get it to the press to print. In all honesty we're more of looking at mid-late May if we're lucky knowing their track record.
Adam
QUOTE (Union Jane)
Instead you take the time to write and complete the first few books in the line, then release them in orderly fashion to build and sustain a readership.

Yeah, that's how it should have happened... smile.gif

We're pretty much back on schedule now, with different developers heading up different books and working on them all simultaneously, the flow of releases should be steady once they start.
Union Jane
Ahem. Still no print GM screen.
Shadowmeet
QUOTE (omi_aoine)
I dont think your iBook got cool Shadowrun Artworks on the players side...

There is an idea. Laptops with Case mods for SR(And other RPGs for other gms who use laptops as resources.)

We can have Wraps for cheap.

Stencils for a little more.

Airbrushing for more.

Etching for more

Completely handbuilt custom cases for god knows how much.
MikeTrevin
Scanner + printer + tape = genius!

Well, it looks shabby, but I can quickly switch my MacBook Pro from 'college' mode to 'Gamemaster' mode- and super bonus, I change the picture every time, appropriate to whatever I have the 'runners doing that day!

... that, and I'm a little wary of painting my MacBook. It's sort of like tattoos. The idea always seems neat, then I ask myself if I'll think it's still cool in a few years.
Shrike30
Just use something a little mineral spirits can take off smile.gif

(hopefully it won't eat your case in the process)
Backgammon
QUOTE (MikeTrevin)
... that, and I'm a little wary of painting my MacBook. It's sort of like tattoos. The idea always seems neat, then I ask myself if I'll think it's still cool in a few years.

Tattoos are awesome, you should go for it. Just follow the Golden Rule of the Wise: No letters or numbers. Just an image. You won't regret it.
BookWyrm
I don't use a GM screen for any of my gaming. It just limits my area of moment. If there are tables printed, I pick up the page/stock where it's printed, read it, make my call & we move on.
I would prefer there be some (however minute) amount of mutual honesty between myself & my players. A GM's screen just causes a barrier & infers some mistrust to all involved parties.

Like for instance;

GM: "OK, you need 4 successes to make that leap."
Plyr: "OK *rolling dice sound* I got the sucesses, plus a natural six!"
GM: *doesn't even peer from behind screen* "I didn't see you get them. You fail to make it. You drop to the ground six stories below."
Plyr: "HEY! You're cheating!!!"

but instead;

GM: "OK, you'll need 4 sucesses to make the leap."
Plyr: "Ok, here goes. *rolls dice* Hey, I got the sucesses, plus a natural six!"
GM; *looks up at the dice* "I see that, man, good roll." *checks charts* "You make the leap, with a few centimeters to spare. Some of the corporate guards chasing you stop themselves from following you, piling up like in a bad LoneStar training trideo."
Plyr: "Allright! I take a second, look back, give a small salute, then head for the exit."

At least that's IMHO.
deek
Hmmm...well, I have used GM screens before, but mine have never been 4' tall:)

I don't see the screen as a barrier (again, unless it is 4' tall) and I always am able to see my players and their rolls...the two biggest things the screen is useful for IMO are:

1) quick reference for tables, reducing page flipping and such and,
2) hiding the GM's rolls

SR4 certainly has a handful of tables that are important, at least until you become better accustomed to the game, and they are in various places in the book. So having one handy reference to view them all quickly is a bonus. I could simply make a cheat sheet myself, but then I lose point 2)

And maybe I am in the minority in this, but when I am running a game, I don't want to dice to control my game. Its just my style, but I have rarely, if ever, killed off a character unless the player knew ahead of time, so when I roll dice that may mark the end, I tweak things...and I would rather the players not know I was tweaking things, hence the benefit of the screen. And it works the other way too, sometimes I need an enemy to succeed in something to further the story, add intrigue or excitement...and I don't want to rely solely on luck to tell my story...

Now, I want to see the player's rolls and want them to be honest, but they don't need to be seeing mine...and I have actually had many of my friends/players actually request I not roll the dice on an open table! Granted, I have not had troublemakers as players and knocking a character unconscious is just as bad as killing them, maybe a bit worse as now they can't focus their time creating a new one:)
Demon_Bob
Had a GM grab an old GM screen from another game to hide his rolls after started making an unusually high number of rolls that indicated a trend that would kill off the entire party.

Having important charts where you cand find them quickly and not have to look them up in the book, causing more wear to what could easily be an already well-read book is somewhat important.

The GM screan can also help hide the fact that you just rolling dice to make the players nervous. Ex: Gm rolls multiple dice only 6 of which count during a important portion of combat getting 2 successes, he then picks 4 of the dice and rerolls, and then 2 of those. Player whom test is against panics and decides to spend Edge. What was turning into a walk through suddenly seems more dangerous.

And for some reason people say I have an evil streak.
Zen Shooter01
Union Jane:

Gosh, it has been six months, hasn't it? No screen yet, and Runner Havens is barely on shelves.
Union Jane
Aye, it's been a while since my original post. And whether or not GMs prefer a screen isn't the point. The point is: Who's running this outfit, anyway?
JongWK
From FanPro's Retailer Newsletter:

QUOTE
Shipping Now:
Shadowrun Runner Havens (Release Date: Monday, July 17th)

At the Printers:
Shadowrun SR4 Gamemaster Screen #26002
Jhaiisiin
QUOTE (BookWyrm)
GM: "OK, you need 4 successes to make that leap."
Plyr: "OK *rolling dice sound* I got the sucesses, plus a natural six!"
GM: *doesn't even peer from behind screen* "I didn't see you get them. You fail to make it. You drop to the ground six stories below."
Plyr: "HEY! You're cheating!!!"

LOL That's how you run the Paranoia rpg.
yesman
The screen isn't so much to hide your dicerolls as it is to hide your maps and GM-only info that you need out for reference.
BookWyrm
True, yesman.
Shrike30
It's a little of both, in my opinion. I happen to like not having my players look across the table at the number of successes I've rolled and decide whether or not they need to use Edge.
Moon-Hawk
Or evaluating a threat based on how many dice they see me pick up.
BookWyrm
I'm still waiting for a Retailer entry for Augmentation.
fool
ANy GM that doesn't looks at the dice his players roll isn't doing his job. It's ok to fudge your own dice rolls (especially to keep the party alive done that dozens of times) but make sure the players actually roll what they say they roll.
Yeah I'm getting really annoyed about the lack of product on this game system. It's been close to a year and all that's come out is one lousy module (not lousy in that it was no good, but lousy in that it is the only product in nearly a year of waiting.
Geekkake
QUOTE (fool)
Yeah I'm getting really annoyed about the lack of product on this game system. It's been close to a year and all that's come out is one lousy module (not lousy in that it was no good, but lousy in that it is the only product in nearly a year of waiting.

I'm wondering what the staff situation is like over at FanPro for the SR project. I envision Jury E-Mailing people halfway across the world every day, or harrassing them over IM: "Is it done yet? Is it done yet? Hey, is it done yet? Hey, we're over deadline, is it done yet? Hey! Hey! Hey!" then constantly trying to hang himself with a sheet while dealing with printers/distributors. I could be wrong, and I'll reserve looking down my nose until I have a successful tabletop enterprise, but it seems like the current business model is thinking in pretty small-time terms.

But hey, I've never seen their sales figures or revenue, so maybe the cash just isn't there to overhaul the model.
WorkOver
you all try that electronic one? I had the strangest time getting it printed, then cut apart and glued to an old Mage screen, but the results are pretty cool. The elctronic one also contains a secondary "lite" version that has no back cover art, but has a few extra tables that are not on the cool one with the art.

I could imagine a GM could just print that one out and use the loose pages, or even get them laminated and use those for reference, especially my fellow G's that don't use the screen to conceal your dice rolls.
Emrak
OMG.
It's just a damn GM Screen Fanpro! I mean seriously, it should have came out simultaneously with the core book. WTF is the hold-up? If expense is the issue, couldn't it be contracted out to some print shop in Zimbabwe or something?

On a mildly related note, I've noticed Fanpro is run like a bootstrap, cashstarved start-up. Why is this so? I'd imagine they'd have more than a little cash to burn... are the royalty fees eating up their profits?
Geekkake
QUOTE (Emrak)
On a mildly related note, I've noticed Fanpro is run like a bootstrap, cashstarved start-up. Why is this so? I'd imagine they'd have more than a little cash to burn... are the royalty fees eating up their profits?

I can't shake the idea that the folks currently running the show have more experience with cash-starved startups, and can't seem to shake that paradigm.
Adam
QUOTE (Emrak)
It's just a damn GM Screen Fanpro! I mean seriously, it should have came out simultaneously with the core book. WTF is the hold-up? If expense is the issue, couldn't it be contracted out to some print shop in Zimbabwe or something?

It's a business issue; money has been handed over and the service has not been fully provided yet, leaving FanPro without a product and without their money until the situation is resolved.

"Cash-starved" pretty much describes every company in the gaming industry. wink.gif
Protagonist
QUOTE (fool)
ANy GM that doesn't looks at the dice his players roll isn't doing his job.

Bullshit. The GM's job is to make sure everyone has fun. Period. The end.
Emrak
QUOTE (Adam)
QUOTE (Emrak @ Jul 11 2006, 05:20 PM)
It's just a damn GM Screen Fanpro! I mean seriously, it should have came out simultaneously with the core book. WTF is the hold-up? If expense is the issue, couldn't it be contracted out to some print shop in Zimbabwe or something?

It's a business issue; money has been handed over and the service has not been fully provided yet, leaving FanPro without a product and without their money until the situation is resolved.

"Cash-starved" pretty much describes every company in the gaming industry. wink.gif

Aaaah. Ok, the delay makes more sense now. Maybe next time they'll place a "deadline clause" for the printjob in their contract with the print shop. Live and learn and all that, I s'pose.
Union Jane
QUOTE (Emrak)
OMG.
It's just a damn GM Screen Fanpro! I mean seriously, it should have came out simultaneously with the core book. WTF is the hold-up? If expense is the issue, couldn't it be contracted out to some print shop in Zimbabwe or something?

On a mildly related note, I've noticed Fanpro is run like a bootstrap, cashstarved start-up. Why is this so? I'd imagine they'd have more than a little cash to burn... are the royalty fees eating up their profits?

I'm glad I'm not the only one.
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