I've been able to make a mage, a normal hacker, a Techo Hacker, a Troll Sam all really easily.

I've having problems making a rigger.
I wanted to know if anyone one else was able to make a rigger and if they could post the rigger so I could check it out.

Thyme

What problems are you facing?

Something you need to realize is that the hacker and technomancer you made ARE riggers. You cant just be a rigger now, it requires pilot softs, command programs, commlinks, firewalls, signals, and a few other things. Those things all fit the hacker set you might notice. Physical riggin, via vehicle skills, just doesn't cut it from what I've seen. Much easier to use the softs. Lots of things you need to protect against too.

Finished product:

This design is 400, with 11BP and 700 Yen to fool around with

Name: Hong Fei
Alias: Swarm
Race: Human
Concept: Hacker/Swarm Rigger
---------------------Attributes-10+20+20+20+20+30+30+30+10:-190BP
Bod: 2/10
Agi: 3/20
Rea: 3/20
Str: 3/20
Cha: 4/20
Int: 4/30
Log: 4/30
Wil: 4/30

Edg: 3/10

Phy Init:
-Passes:
AR Init:
-Passes:
VR Init:
-Passes:
Drone Init:
-Passes:
Astral Init:
-Passes:

Phy Moniter:
Stun Moniter:
Matrix Moniter:
Drone Moniter:
Vehicle Moniter:
---------------------
Damage Resistance
-B/I:2/2
---------------------Active Skills-22+22+18+16+18+18+18+14+18:-164BP
Gunnery(Ballistic): 5/22
Hacking(Commlink): 5/22
Pilot Aircraft(Remote Operation): 4/18
Software: 4/16
Electronic Warfare: 4/16
Hardware(Commlink): 4/18
Computer(Command): 4/18
Aeronautics Mechanic(Rotory Wing): 4/18
Armorer(Heavy Weapons): 4/18
---------------------Knowledge Skills-/ Free

---------------------Qualities- -10-10+5+5+5+5+5+5+5:+15 BP
Codeslinger(Command)/-10
Homeground(X)/-10
Addiction (Mild/Virtual Reality)/+5
Incompetent (Running)/+5
Incompetent (Survival)/+5
Incompetent (Diving)/+5
Incompetent (Leadership)/+5
Incompetent (Throwing Weapons)/+5
Incompetent (Swimming)/+5
---------------------Contacts L/C-BP

---------------------Cyber/Bioware (Ess: 5.30)
Control Rig
Datajack
Smartlink

---------------------Gear-250,000_-50BP
-------Commlink
Commlink (Re:5/Si:5)
-OS (Fi:6/Sy:6)
-AR Gloves
-Biometric Reader
-Sim Module (HOT)
-Common
Analyze R6
Edit R6
Command R6
Encrypt R6
Reality Filter R6
Scan R6
Browse R6

-Hacking
Data Bomb R6
ECCM R6
Exploit R6
Stealth R6

-------Vehicles
Northrup Wasp (PJSS(SS E/T), 10 ExEx Rifle Rounds, Weapons Mount, Rigger Adaptation)
MCT Rotodrone (Pi:4/Re:5/Si:5/Fi:6--Ma:4/CS:4/Ta:4/EW:4) (IWK LMG(SS E/T), 250 ExEx LMG rounds)
MCT Rotodrone (Pi:4/Re:5/Si:5/Fi:6--Ma:4/CS:4/Ta:4/EW:4) (IWK LMG(SS E/T), 250 ExEx LMG rounds)
LoneStar iBall (Pi:3/Re:5/Si:5/Fi:6--Ma:4/CS:4/EW:4)

250,000
-109,400 Northrup Wasp
>-0 PJSS Elephant Rifle
>>-400 Fake License (Kang Oran)
>-400 SS (External/Top)
>>-400 Fake License (Kang Oran)
>-100 EXex Rifle Round (10)
>-0 Weapon Mount
>-2,500 Rigger Adaptation

-36,600 MCT Rotodrone
>-2,500 Weapons Mount
>-2,000 IWK LMG
>>-400 Fake License (Kang Oran)
>-400 SS (External/Top)
>>-400 Fake License (Kang Oran)
>-2,500 ExEx LMG Round (250)
>-10,000 Pilot R4
>-3,000 Firewall R6
>-2,000 Clearsight R4
>-2,000 Electronic Warfare R4
>-2,000 Manouver (Aircraft) R4
>-2,000 Targeting (Heavy Weapon) R4
>-4,000 Reseponse R5
>-1,000 Signal R5


-36,600 MCT Rotodrone
>-2,500 Weapons Mount
>-2,000 IWK LMG
>>-400 Fake License (Kang Oran)
>-400 SS (External/Top)
>>-400 Fake License (Kang Oran)
>-2,500 ExEx LMG Round (250)
>-10,000 Pilot R4
>-3,000 Firewall R6
>-2,000 Clearsight R4
>-2,000 Electronic Warfare R4
>-2,000 Manouver (Aircraft) R4
>-2,000 Targeting (Heavy Weapon) R4
>-4,000 Reseponse R5
>-1,000 Signal R5

-15500 LS iBall
>-2,000 Manouver (Aircraft) R4
>-3,000 Firewall R6
>-2,000 Clearsight R4
>-2,000 Electronic Warfare R4
>-4,000 Reseponse R5
>-1,000 Signal R5

-41700 Meta Link Commlink
>>-1,000 Signal R5
>>-4,000 Reseponse R5
>>-3,000 System R6
>>-3,000 Firewall R6
>-250 AR Gloves
>-200 Biometric Reader
>-350 Sim Module (Hot)
>-600 Analyze R6
>-600 Edit R6
>-600 Command R6
>-600 Encrypt R6
>-600 Reality Filter R6
>-600 Scan R6
>-600 Browse R6
>-6,000 Data Bomb R6
>>-400 Fake License (Kang Oran)
>-6,000 ECCM R6
>>-400 Fake License (Kang Oran)
>-6,000 Exploit R6
>>-400 Fake License (Kang Oran)
>-6,000 Stealth R6
>>-400 Fake License (Kang Oran)

-10,000 Control Rig
-500 Datajack
-1400 Smartlink
>-400 Fake License (Kang Oran)

Hahaha, I totally forgot about Notoriety, nice catch. Well one of the bonuses about being a hacker is when you pick up Forgery you can really hide yourself.

Since you no longer suffer the bastard mods Prometheus imposed, I have toyed with the idea of a drone rigger mage. He'd be an Abomination.

I hate the incompetent flaw. I've had to turn down more characters with Incompetent: Archery than I care to think about for my current RL game.

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Yeah, Incompetent should only be used for skills that the character would have some incentive to actually learn. And one only per character.

I'd even rack it up to 10 BP then.

Bye
Thanee

I almost played a character with Incompotence: Intimidation recently. I fully intended to roleplay it, too, and completely mess up any attempts the team made to intimidate people while I was around. Just revised it out, in the end, since the fewer flaws you take the better off you are in the end.

The big problem is that you can easily take Incompetences in skills that allow no default, and aren't going to show up in a normal game without serious GM fiat. Incompetence: Industrial Mechanic, for example, is practically a freebie; unless you're a dedicated technician, there's no reason why your role on the team would ever deal with industrial machines, either as primary or backup. And since you can't default to it anyway, you haven't cost yourself anything but a skill you'll never buy in the first place.

Incompetence: Pilot Anthroform is also free points, as long as you're not a rigger, since there are no anthroforms you can pilot without rigging. Incompetence: Pilot [exotic vehicle] gets silly real fast-- exactly how a GM can exploit an inability to pilot a hot air balloon on a regular basis, and maintain any sense of seriousness in the game, is beyond me.

But my favorite has got to be Incompetence: Pilot Aerospace. Exactly *how* the word got around that the character can't fly the Space Shuttle is beyond me. And let's face it, by the time your character is asked to fly a Space Shuttle, he's pretty much screwed anyway.

There's just too many incompetences that can't be exploited by a reasonable GM, and carry absolutely no other penalty.

You should only get notoriety for incompetence once. In this case maybe twice - it is extreme after all.

And said player needs to have incompetencies as armorer, cybertechnologist and artisan instead of running, swimming and throwing weapons. Sheesh.

I allow incompetence if it's a skill relevant to the campaign and the character's choice of specialization. It's not a flaw if it doesn't affect you! A drone rigger would have to pick a rigger-related incompetence, like gunnery.

Maybe if you had to pick a skill group instead of a skill, it'd be less horrifyingly evil.

Well. More horrifyingly evil but less incentive to pick up. Speaking of horrifyingly evil, I just looked over the cyberlimb info. A full-body replacement gives you six extra health boxes. How sick is _that_?

I'm thinking it'd kind of suck for PCs, yeah, but as an NPC antagonist, though? If you've already gone fullborg, you could easily fit at LEAST 3 more points of body into your chunks. It goes up to six, doesn't it?

I'm away from my BBB, so I can't look anything up right now.

EDIT: And looping back to the incomp issue, you could always just limit it to 1-2 incomp flaws that are, well. ACTUAL flaws. Exploit them. They're flaws.

My favorite flaw right now? Moderate allergy to soy.

You win.

As I see, this is the topic where my question can be properly placed, since it involves a rigger and incompetency.
So: What can a rigger roll when driving, if he's incompetent at piloting ground craft, but have skillwires with rating 3 piloting skillsoft? Can he roll the soft's dice only, or not even that, or is it like he had the skill and so can use the corresponding attribute (Reaction)?
Some explanation: The incompetency would come from that when he tried to learn to drive, he just couldn't handle his arms and legs the right way (he was stressed and therefore unable to make gentle movements). But he was so in love with cars, that he had skillwires implanted to drive them.
Advices are appreciated.

I find it odd everyone avoided the original posters topic just to slam on the Negitive Qualities of my Hacker/Rigger. Giving him those Qualities isn't a bad thing in the least. Now I have more chances to fuck up (Albet, those chances sometimes might be rare on the average run), than if I say, just picked Uncouth (20), Addiction (Mild, Tinkering) (5), and that spirit hate one (5). Since I'm not the teams Fixer and most likely always in VR he'll never make CHA linked tests, same goes for the spirit one.

Now I believe the topic was "How do you build your riggers," not "What do you limit your Incompetence to?" ;p

deleted decided to make a thread srry for the bump