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Shadowrun needs these magazines to be puchasable accessories for when you just need 100 rounds for your assault rifle. I mean, since all the assault rifles from CC are basically coming with mondo 50 round magazines anyway.

If these magazines were available, I'd make a gun-centric character who painted his fleshtone.

With a pale purple muzzle break on his Ares Alpha no dout.

Beta C-Mags have been around for quite some time. They have them for M-16 type, G36 type and even MP5 type magwells. It would not surprise me if there are a few other options available by now.

Since the Bundeswehr seems serious about using these on LMG36s, I'd hope they have solved some of the problems with reliability. From what I've heard, you were lucky to get the full 100 rounds off with an M4 and a C-Mag.

M¥$T1C is right. Especially the KSK use the G36 with C-Mags for certain operations.

Beta C mags don't hold 100 bullets. They hold infinite ammo. This is because its shaped like the infinity symbol.

The new Beta mags seem to work pretty good. A few guys use them in the local Practical Rifle matches, and I haven't heard too many complaints yet. Only real complaint I've heard so far is that they don't like to feed Wolf ammo reliably.

The new model even has a clear plastic cover on the back, so you can see how full the mag is at a glance.

As for using them in Shadowrun, it's not really a problem. My group has always allowed things like Beta mags, collapsible stocks, or any other real world accessories to be used, as long as we all agreed on rules and price. We also like to use current day firearms, very similar to Raygun's rules. Sure, they might be 60 years old in Shadowrun, but that just means they qualify for C&R status!

The only house rule I would suggest is perhaps an object resistance test if dropped or smashed into something. The Beta mags do seem to be a little more fragile than your average magazine.

Wow, now in .308? Talk about teaching an old dog new tricks.

In all honesty, Id allow it. If you need to reload anything bigger then a pistol your in trouble anyway.

Meh, more BOOM for your buck. I just can see one of those hanging off a AK. It makes me feel naughty.

Are we talking a hundred rounds of .308? That's gonna end up being what... 7 pounds of magazine and ammo hanging off the bottom of a 9 pound rifle? That's kind of ridiculous...

75-round drums for AKs have been around forever. The Beta C-Mag is just a bit smaller and doesn't require winding up.

The 7.62x51mm C-Mag weighs a bit over 10lbs fully loaded, according to the manufacturer.

Well yes, that is a valid point. You hope you dont NEED a gun, but if you have to reload your pretty much screwing the pooch.

I cant recall, I dont have great gun-foo, but is there a squad support weapon in 7.62? Cause at that point I can buy the possible use for that much overkill.

There are plenty of squad support weapons in 7.62x51mm NATO, but none in use by modern militaries that are designed to be primarily magazine-fed: MGs in that caliber are sometimes used as fire support on the squad level, though more often on the platoon level at least in the US armed forces.

I cannot fathom a reasonable combat use for the 7.62x51mm C-mag. The weight of a weapon loaded with it is so high that you might as well go with a LMG.

Maybe one can bring back the old "saddle" drum used in the MG-34 (and IIRC the MG-42) to ease the handling of the ammo.

And while we are at it, how about 7.92x57 smHK for when you absolutly need to shredd that Volkswagen.

What's smHK stand for? A German acronym?

Ah, OK. Seems the standard abbreviation for it is SmK(H). Hardcore Pomeranian dog bullet indeed.

Some quick math tells me one of those 7.62mm C-Mags is about 5.5lbs of ammo, and about 5 lbs of magazine. How much can we speculate this changing in 50-60 years? Ditto the cost.

[edit: could have saved myself the math by looking at the site...]

I charge my players 150¥, btw. No takers go far, but no real gunheads, just one wannabe. (who I now hope doesn't read DSF )

Well, PCA will save about 35% on the ammo weight (@ 3.6 lbs/100 rds 7.62x51mm). Since the mag isn't even out of prototype stage yet I wouldn't even want to guess about the weight of it. Kind of difficult when you're not sure what they're planning to make it out of now.

The only thing I can see this being handy for is drones or sentry guns. Otherwise it's pretty pointless.

I am gonna hazard a guess that there is a spring inside the center of a C-Mag tensioning the thing. That, or extremely well-trained hamsters.

Perhaps elastomer tech will be at the point where a relatively light polymer spring will replace the spring action. This should make the thing lighter, and might let them use a tighter spiral feed, making it smaller.

I think we can asssume they beat the problem of the foam breaking down or binding on the casing.

Take it for what it's worth, but the last time I played Delta Force - Blackhawk Down, I really could have used a 100 round mag for my M4. When clearing buildings in the game, I didn't always have time for tactical reload when the baddies are doing their imitation of a stomped anthill.

Yeah, it is a limited-use gizmo overall. I would only add CQB in the smaller calibers, and expedient support use in 7.62mm.

Yep. Then you suck down a bottle of vicodin and all is peachy keen. Might as well have been a mimosa at the country club.

NO!
Do not carry more guns that is a stupid idea!
Use the elephant gun fron SR4 and have a padwalla as your loading carrying several ready for use and reloading the ones you empty and drop! Hmm great white hunter character idea...

When i checked out this thread i thought you all were talkign about the reading material.