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Halabis
Bio-Drones.
hobgoblin
creepy...
SL James
All of the sudden I can't help but think ... yeah ... bad, bad thoughts.
Synner
So that's one cat out of the bag... wait till you see the rest of the litter.
mdynna
I really REALLY hope none of these books will go the "way of the Cannon Companion" (Augmentation being in the greatest danger). That being: filled with so much over-powering, game-unbalancing, muncher drool-inducing material that I have to disallow major sections. Like my personal favorite: anti-VEHICLE PISTOL rounds.... No....
Geekkake
QUOTE (mdynna)
I really REALLY hope none of these books will go the "way of the Cannon Companion" (Augmentation being in the greatest danger). That being: filled with so much over-powering, game-unbalancing, muncher drool-inducing material that I have to disallow major sections. Like my personal favorite: anti-VEHICLE PISTOL rounds.... No....

Unfortunately, there's money in appealing to the munchkins. They'll buy the books that have the most overpowering crap.
mdynna
sigh... I'll get my "sharpie" ready to ink out a bunch of lines/paragraphs/pages/chapters then. SR4 was nice while it was "balanced".

I shouldn't complain too much. Every RPG I know fails victim to this sort of thing. Us RPG-ers are always asking for new "cool" material, and game-unbalancing inevitably results as the "rules lawyers" find the loopholes.
Azralon
Tell the players that they're allowed to have anything in the basic book, but stuff in expansions appear only at GM whim.
Bigity
I just tell em, you can get anything you can, and the corps can get it far easier and at a cheaper cost.
Cheops
I guess I have to wait until 2007 for the Unwired book I've been looking for...
Azralon
QUOTE (Cheops @ Mar 21 2006, 12:55 PM)
I guess I have to wait until 2007 for the Unwired book I've been looking for...

True dat. Matrix stuff needs some clarification (or at least, more examples) than probably anything else right now.
SL James
Oh, hmm... I thought I posted here, but I guess not. Anyway, like I was telling someone last night, I give it 2:1 odds that there will be bracer tech in Augmentations or Arsenal.
MaxHunter
What do you mean by "bracer tech"?

Cheers,

Max
Rotbart van Dainig
Degenesis... nice.

If you are interested, and don't mind reading german... try the official page - it features the whole core book for download... well, in german. wink.gif
-Nyx-
And it's a very fine RPG, too. smile.gif

I don't like the character generation very much, but the gaming-world and the art are fantastic... smile.gif

Greetings,
Nyx
SL James
QUOTE (Cyberpunk v.3)
Cybertech: NuCybe
NuCybe is cyberware for the third (fourth?) decade. Imbedded arm/legbands (called bracers) project lamilar plating over the skin, integrating rings, bracelets and snap on modules that carry extra power, weapons, and other abilities. There are also modules for the head, eyes and sexual organs. Powered by a button sized power cell in the center of the band, they can be removed with about as much bloodloss and pain as a skinned knee. Advantage: all the superhuman powers of cyberware, but without the pain (or cyberpsychosis).


I keep telling people I saw a reference to it in SoA or System Failure, but... meh.
Azralon
Remind me to A) not buy NuCybe for my sexual organs and, failing that, B) never remove it unless I'm looking for my privates to experience "as much bloodloss and pain as a skinned knee."

*shudder*
Rotbart van Dainig
QUOTE (SL James)
I keep telling people I saw a reference to it in SoA or System Failure, but... meh.

Where?
SL James
If I can find it again, I'll let you know.
John_Wicker
QUOTE (Halabis)
Bio-Drones.


Bio-drones?

Where did you guys see that?

And let's just hope that Runner Havens does a better job describing Seattle than the New Seattle Sourcebook did. I find myself referring back to the Seattle Sourcebook evertime I want detailed information, or even (gasp) a semi-detailed map of one of the districts.
mdynna
It mentioned Bio-drones on the very last line of the Augmentation book.

I thought the New Seattle sourcebook was excellent. My only "knock" was that it included more detail than I could remember. I guess my players and I don't put as much stock in maps and the physical placement of things in the city. Do your games really require that level of detail? (You took a Left on Elm Street? WRONG!)
Azralon
QUOTE (mdynna @ Mar 22 2006, 11:45 AM)
It mentioned Bio-drones on the very last line of the Augmentation book.

I'm envisoning creepily moist and tentacled things scrabbling around with cybernetic control overrides in their strange genetically-engineered brains. The kind of rigger that wants to habitually use these freakish aberrations scares me.

Either that, or they're talking about slapping control overrides in pre-existing beasts so people can finally fulfill their dreams of remote-piloted hellhounds and so on. Or, more likely, remote-piloted people. That probably scares me more.
bclements
I'm more thinking Halberstam's stuff, though you can read it either way. Creepy enough whichever way it turns out.
SL James
Human "zombies" who explode in a mist cloud of toxin-infected blood and cutter nanites when touched.

Oh, wait. No, that's just something that was created for the arc on SL.

QUOTE
Or, more likely, remote-piloted people. That probably scares me more.

So, Snake-Eyes?
Waltermandias
QUOTE
I'm envisoning creepily moist and tentacled things scrabbling around with cybernetic control overrides in their strange genetically-engineered brains. The kind of rigger that wants to habitually use these freakish aberrations scares me.


You mean the kind of riggers that take the unarmed combat skill with a specialty in Japanese Schoolgirl? eek.gif
SL James
To quote mfb, "God sees your crimes."
hobgoblin
QUOTE (Waltermandias)
QUOTE
I'm envisoning creepily moist and tentacled things scrabbling around with cybernetic control overrides in their strange genetically-engineered brains. The kind of rigger that wants to habitually use these freakish aberrations scares me.


You mean the kind of riggers that take the unarmed combat skill with a specialty in Japanese Schoolgirl? eek.gif

ok, now im freaked. i actualy laughed based on that line...

hmm, i wonder where emergence may take us...
Mr.Platinum
Wow, i wonder if they are going to keep their releases in the quarters....fat chance.
Paul
Can we have who ever thought drugs and guns belonged in the same books shot? Chemicals, phameceuticals and rugs go with wetware, biotech and such. Guns go with ammo, equipment and such.

It's driven me nuts for years. Please. Please stop putting those damn silly ass drug rules in books where I could get extra equipment, please.

I know they have to go somewhere, but why not let them have a PDF or something else, where the people who want that crap can get to them, and that way the rest of us don't have twenty extra pages to flip through while looking for useful items.

Brought to you by Paul council to get the damn books organized.
Casper
Actually I am glad that drugs are back in a "spot light" per say. It just gets back to the grit that I used to love about SR2 that I think was rather lacking in SR3. I guess though in a way it does make sense to have drugs in the gear book cause in a way they are something of an item same way that a healing potion is an item in D&D(yes I went there and I hate that game).

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Shrike30
Drugs are a consumable, just like ammunition. Putting them in that book made sense to me. Putting SIMSENSE in that book was a little odd, but hey...
sureshot
Actually after looking at the catalog I am worried. Between no new releases for Shadowrun in the last 6-8 months and Fanpro releasing the Dark Eye and Degenesis I hope they are not over extending themselves.

Dark Eye will be competing against D&D and imo has a snowballs chance on Mercury of succeeding. Degenesis on the other hand may fare better but the main competitor which is Rifts is just cooler at last in background. Somehow an alien spore that takes you over just does not seem as exciting.

Mind you I want those games to do well and they have finally released the Classic Battletech game. I just hope they do not fall into the all too common trap of some rpg companies today. Which is spend as much money on licenses as you can and hope they do well. As opposed to focusing on the core game lines. I hope I am wrong about this.
emo samurai
What's a great example of something scary and unbalancing in the Cannon Companion?
Ancient History
The German version.
[ Spoiler ]
Rotbart van Dainig
Yeah, they even managed to get those construction rules more ugly. Not that they weren't pure munchkin material to begin with...
Adam
QUOTE
Actually after looking at the catalog I am worried. Between no new releases for Shadowrun in the last 6-8 months and Fanpro releasing the Dark Eye and Degenesis I hope they are not over extending themselves.


Dark Eye is already out. There is one supplement on the schedule for it this year, and it's 99% finished.

QUOTE
Mind you I want those games to do well and they have finally released the Classic Battletech game.

FanPro has had the CBT license since 2001, and has released more books for CBT than they have for Shadowrun. I'm not sure what you mean about "finally" ... smile.gif
Thanee
QUOTE (Adam)
Dark Eye is already out.

Yeah, since what? 22 years? biggrin.gif

But FanPro was usually pretty stable with their release schedule, IIRC, so people shouldn't really be worried too much. smile.gif

Bye
Thanee
sureshot
QUOTE (Adam @ Mar 26 2006, 05:28 PM)

FanPro has had the CBT license since 2001, and has released more books for CBT than they have for Shadowrun. I'm not sure what you mean about "finally" ... smile.gif


My mistake. I had forgotten about the CBT books already released.
Dogsoup
Dayuuuum, I'm starting to really look forward to Degenesis! It seems like a Fallout 2-ish version of Engel or something. All the art looks splendid anyway and that's always a selling point.

I'll start to rabble "postapocalypse with supernatural elements"-fanboyism any minute now so I'll just log off.
Shrike30
QUOTE (emo samurai)
What's a great example of something scary and unbalancing in the Cannon Companion?

Conceal 7 assault rifles.
SL James
Conceal 8 battle rifles.

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mfb
heavy pistols that burst with an SA. 2x 12M headshots in a conceal 5 package, mmmmm.
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