Does anyone know what life is like in Europe in 2070? The information in the 4th edition rulebook is quite sparse i think...
There are so many good european stereotypes, and the make brilliant NPC, but it wouldnt be right to use for instance a dane if Denmark doesnt exist anymore...
Full Version: Europe?
Well first thing to say is you should pick up Shadows of Europe, an excellent book.
The quick ref is that most countries as we know them now are still around, some have splintered up some rather than lots of merges happening.
The major powers are Saeder Krupp and the New European Economic Community (NEEC). Following them are the other corps and the nobility.
National charcters seem the remain the same, though nobles are back as a force in France, and Druids run Britain.
I hope to see more Europe stuff at some point soon, or I may just write a Britain Five years later, in the midst of a civil war and mail bomb Synner with it...
The quick ref is that most countries as we know them now are still around, some have splintered up some rather than lots of merges happening.
The major powers are Saeder Krupp and the New European Economic Community (NEEC). Following them are the other corps and the nobility.
National charcters seem the remain the same, though nobles are back as a force in France, and Druids run Britain.
I hope to see more Europe stuff at some point soon, or I may just write a Britain Five years later, in the midst of a civil war and mail bomb Synner with it...
You mean after V... er, Pendragon topples the Lord Protector from power?
Thats the one P for Power to the people...
V... ??
| QUOTE (Elve @ Mar 25 2006, 11:15 AM) |
| V... ?? |
Check the recent movie program, I guess he´s alluding in that direction. "V like Velvet" ore something
You can download maps of europe here on the german SR site, since they massed up the printing
Movie? What movie?
Uhm, not? Then Comic maybe? Wrong track? I´m tired..
The comic was good. I don't know if it would work as a movie.
The comic, the movie, whatever... it was one influence among many, you should have seen the stuff that didn't make it on the Pendragon. I still wonder if the freelancer stash was tainted.
I know the remaining EuroSBers are as keen as I am to revisit some of our Shadows of Europe haunts and we still have some surprises to spring. Though the focus will be different in the upcoming SR4 location books, I'm sure we'll be able to squeeze in an update or three. With a few notable exceptions, much of the material in Shadows of Europe (and SoA) will remain relevant, though some things will undoubtedly have unfolded in the aftermath of the Crash 2.0 and the missing years - some situations were in flux and would not credibly have remained in limbo for that time (the Underworld war and the UK revolution to name a couple).
System Failure also included some significant updates to SoE:
- Polish Civil War resolved (shockwaves should affect both its Euro neighbors but also the Russian political situation)
- S-K uses a Matrix kill switch to "protect" its systems and clients systems.
- 2 of Europe's leading tech corps, Transys and Erika merge, and then merge again with Novatech becoming the triple A megacorp Neonet.
- NEEC is dealt a blow but gains some prestige and clout since Europol is partially responsible for "stopping" Winternight - and a blind eye is turned on the lives lost when the Euroforce taskforce was nuked at Valhalla.
(note: maybe someone with the German version of System Failure can add the AGS fallout which will inevitably cascade into future books.)
I know the remaining EuroSBers are as keen as I am to revisit some of our Shadows of Europe haunts and we still have some surprises to spring. Though the focus will be different in the upcoming SR4 location books, I'm sure we'll be able to squeeze in an update or three. With a few notable exceptions, much of the material in Shadows of Europe (and SoA) will remain relevant, though some things will undoubtedly have unfolded in the aftermath of the Crash 2.0 and the missing years - some situations were in flux and would not credibly have remained in limbo for that time (the Underworld war and the UK revolution to name a couple).
System Failure also included some significant updates to SoE:
- Polish Civil War resolved (shockwaves should affect both its Euro neighbors but also the Russian political situation)
- S-K uses a Matrix kill switch to "protect" its systems and clients systems.
- 2 of Europe's leading tech corps, Transys and Erika merge, and then merge again with Novatech becoming the triple A megacorp Neonet.
- NEEC is dealt a blow but gains some prestige and clout since Europol is partially responsible for "stopping" Winternight - and a blind eye is turned on the lives lost when the Euroforce taskforce was nuked at Valhalla.
(note: maybe someone with the German version of System Failure can add the AGS fallout which will inevitably cascade into future books.)
grumble grumble Shockwaves grumble.
Did you guys switch to crystal meth or are you still using that crack junk?
I just mentioned V because somehow it took me a year to connect the two (obviously he's based on multiple sources. Shadowrun's had its share of "artistic license" with other properties, but Pendragon's not that transparent) probably because it was so obvious I just glazed over it.
I just mentioned V because somehow it took me a year to connect the two (obviously he's based on multiple sources. Shadowrun's had its share of "artistic license" with other properties, but Pendragon's not that transparent) probably because it was so obvious I just glazed over it.
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| System Failure also included some significant updates to SoE: - Polish Civil War resolved (shockwaves should affect both its Euro neighbors but also the Russian political situation) - S-K uses a Matrix kill switch to "protect" its systems and clients systems. - 2 of Europe's leading tech corps, Transys and Erika merge, and then merge again with Novatech becoming the triple A megacorp Neonet. - NEEC is dealt a blow but gains some prestige and clout since Europol is partially responsible for "stopping" Winternight - and a blind eye is turned on the lives lost when the Euroforce taskforce was nuked at Valhalla. (note: maybe someone with the German version of System Failure can add the AGS fallout which will inevitably cascade into future books.) |
Cardinal Heeremann, leader of the German Catholic Church and de facto ruler of the AGS state Westphalia, is dead. His successor is Cardinal Markus Dominikus von Rethagen.
The German A-corp IFMU exists no more.
A major part of the German add-on chapter is speculation by S-K's intelligence service about possible future changes in Germany (written from a 2065 pov and without confirmation so far as no SR4 AGS book exists yet):
Pomorya (the "mini-Tir")
Uproar within the elven nobility and major pressure on Noble House Teleam that was responsible for the Pomoryan matrix. S-K intelligence considers offering matrix technology in exchange for extraterritoriality.
Troll Kingdom of the Black Forest
After King Berthold's disappearance in 2062 (it was discovered later that he had only been a disguise of the dragon Kaltenstein) chancellor von Hasslach became head of state. As of 2065 he is negotiating full AGS membership for the Troll Kingdom (so far only an Associated Territory).
Westphalia
The new church and state leader von Rethagen is a GCC hardliner with a lot more political interest and expertise than his predecessor. S-K intelligence considers undermining the recent contatcs between the GCC and the Vatican to put pressure on von Rethagen.
Hamburg
Hamburg is the city where AR and WiFi matrix were first installed in Germany by S-K's RuhrDataFax subsidiary, accompanied by a major PR campaign by S-K's ally DeMeKo (Germany's leading media corp).
S-K expects to gain major power and influence in Hamburg over the next years.
(Let's wait for the Hamburg chapter of Runner Havens to see what happened in 2065-2070.)
Northrhine-Ruhr
Due to S-K's premptive matrix shutdown NRR didn't suffer much from Crash 2.0. S-K plans to strengthen it's power and influence in the state hoping to establish a corporate zone similar to the sector of Berlin ruled by S-K.
Duchy of Saxony
Saxony profited from the Polish civil war through its many mercenaries.
After Crash 2.0 there was a coup d'etat by mercenaries. The Duke has fled to relatives in East Europe. A military council rules Saxony.
S-K plans to negotiate official peace force status for Saxonian troops with Poland's provisional government and aims for Saxony's transformation into a democracy.
Grand Duchy of Westrhine-Luxembourg
WRL faces major economic problems. The state is debt-ridden and several state-owned companies had to be sold to foreign investors.
S-K intelligence suggest persuading/forcing the Grand Duke to step down and merge his state with Northrhine-Ruhr.
Nebelherr
The Bavarian dragon is missing. His private island at Chiemsee lake has been found devastated with forensic evidence pointing to an abduction.
the question being : who/what can kidnap a dragon?
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| the question being : who/what can kidnap a dragon? |
Standard dragon: anything at least equal to a skilled and cautious team of Shadowrunners relying on non-injected drugs to incipacitate the dragon.
Great dragon: anything (Great dragon, IE, free spirit, etc.) older unless the GD has been lazy in which case some younger things could kidnap it
I'd be pretty impressed to see a team extract a dragon.
I think you're just trying to distract us from the truth, Herald
I think you're just trying to distract us from the truth, Herald
There's an old run about trying to kidnap a dragon. It ends up with a datajack and a severe matrix addiction. (I may be mistaken on the causality involved)
Bought up by S-K probably. You know, Lofwyr controlling the whole european business and crap. Ah geh.
Yeah, the dragon's name was Eliohann.
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So what happened with this one then? |
I suggest you read the linked Dumpshock-Wiki entry...
Well, the Europeans are still smarter than us, and they always use 9mm ball ammo.
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| Well, the Europeans are still smarter than us |
Uhm, why do you think so? Except for use of the metrical system
Because they speak French automatically, whereas I had to study French in school since 3rd grade to be able to use it.
Well, that would be cool, but to be honest, it doesn´t work automatically and since I never learned it (had english instead and latin as a second foraign language), I cant speak french at all (not that I still remember much latin, and you can see, how bad my english is).
Whoops. Apologies, I blame the sleep deprivation.
From up the page a bit. V for Vendetta is actually a rather good movie. It comes rather highly recommended. Consider it 'on par' with 'The Matrix'.
But now that you mention it, The Pendragon does seem to bear a rather striking sim. to V... in that odd sotra wBut yes, Shadows of Europe is a GREAT book to get.
But now that you mention it, The Pendragon does seem to bear a rather striking sim. to V... in that odd sotra wBut yes, Shadows of Europe is a GREAT book to get.
hahaha
So, you're the one who didn't know I think The Matrix is crap.
So, you're the one who didn't know I think The Matrix is crap.
I´m still traumathised from the horribly cheesy 30 minutes death scene in The Matrix Reloaded and I´m not a fan of the 2nd episode either, but I liked the 1st movie quiet well. However, since the sequals came out, the sole mentioning of The Matrix makes me feel a bit sick.
You know I get Shadowrun is popular in Germany, but am i alone in thinking of the AGS as someones Munchkin character? Isn't it conveinent everything just happens to revolve around Germany? I mean, share the wealth a little fellahs. Not every book has to reference some obscure point of German history. There's at least a few other countries in Europe last time I checked.
No, you aren't alone. We have a club (and a secret clubhouse).
And a lot of members.
| QUOTE (Paul @ Mar 27 2006, 05:58 PM) |
| You know I get Shadowrun is popular in Germany, but am i alone in thinking of the AGS as someones Munchkin character? Isn't it conveinent everything just happens to revolve around Germany? |
Funny - right now there's a thread at Fanpro's German forums where people complain that SR revolves too much around North America in general and Seattle in particular...
To be fair - in said thread the wish is expressed to get SR more international. Things shouldn't happen neither in Seattle nor in the AGS.
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| And a lot of members. |
Exactly.
Well, if it's any consolation as far as I'm concerned the Shadowrun line isn't even controlled by Americans anymore. Shockwaves just pulled the curtain back a little.
| QUOTE (Grinder) |
| And a lot of members. |
Uh, where can I sign in? I don´t know, I never liked the all-german suplements that much (and hated the ones, where some other stuff got cut out and replaced by uninteresting material on the AGS).
I got all the latest german-only products for compleatness sake, but to be honest, I didn´t even read through Germany in the Shadows II and Target: AGS.
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| Funny - right now there's a thread at Fanpro's German forums where people complain that SR revolves too much around North America in general and Seattle in particular... |
I am so glad I am missing out on that.
I guess the difference to me is I don't care where it's set as long as it makes sense. Which is why I rewrote the Seattle Sourcebook, in an attempt to make it not suck. (New Seattle is ballsack. And I'm waiting to see how much I'll cringe at Runners Havens.)
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| To be fair - in said thread the wish is expressed to get SR more international. Things shouldn't happen neither in Seattle nor in the AGS. |
I'll agree with that.
Obviously this isn't a simple question. The marketing people need to sell books. so which sells better? A book with one chapter on each locale, or one book devoted to a whole sector? Given that they keep printing the Shadows of series I think we know the answer.
So my question is: Fine, we need to selll books, and that means one chapter for the attention span deprived. So why not get an online, free or pay per view project that allows designated authors to take a project and run with it. It could even be designated as unofficial official. (It's Canon till we print a book, then its not.)
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(New Seattle is ballsack. And I'm waiting to see how much I'll cringe at Runners Havens.) |
Ye of little faith...
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| So my question is: Fine, we need to selll books, and that means one chapter for the attention span deprived. So why not get an online, free or pay per view project that allows designated authors to take a project and run with it. It could even be designated as unofficial official. (It's Canon till we print a book, then its not.) |
I guess Holostreets fits the bill. *sigh*
| QUOTE (M¥$T1C) |
| To be fair - in said thread the wish is expressed to get SR more international. Things shouldn't happen neither in Seattle nor in the AGS. |
the Rhapsody arc was mainly centred on the UK, Austria and the Balkans.
In an upcoming arc I am working on I will be focusing on the Kingdom of Hawai'i and Oceania with a bit of the "Down Under" just for kicks.
As for Europe in 2070 (at least in my little corner of the universe).
Croatia, Serbia, Dalmatia, and Slovenia are now stable nations following the end of the occupation of Croatia and fall of the Kovec regime. Along with Hungary, These four countries form the backbone of the new Balkan Alliance.
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| Ye of little faith... |
I hate the cyberpunk aspect of the game, always have. Always will. Add in that I generally hate half of whats published anyways, and love the other half in an unatural fashion-well I could be called picky.
I want to like everything they write, but I can afford to be picky. I own enough to roleplay nonstop for the rest of my life with no new books. I buy out of loyalty and enjoyment.
I likestuff like Loose Alliances, or some of SOTA 2064-the culture section is a big bennie to me, I'd love to see it made a regular online feature.
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| I guess Holostreets fits the bill. *sigh* |
I feel your pain brother man.
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| I hate the cyberpunk aspect of the game, always have. Always will. Add in that I generally hate half of whats published anyways, and love the other half in an unatural fashion-well I could be called picky. |
It's legal, right? No crimes against nature?
No, no-full on crimes against nature and all that. Three bags full mano.
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| So my question is: Fine, we need to selll books, and that means one chapter for the attention span deprived. So why not get an online, free or pay per view project that allows designated authors to take a project and run with it. It could even be designated as unofficial official. (It's Canon till we print a book, then its not.) |
There definitely isn't a lack of freelancers who would jump at that. It's just not something that is in place yet, as much as we'd like it. Holostreets sounds like it intends for that sort of thing, but we're still waiting for it. The official Shadowrun website would work, but that material would need to be edited and I think most of the editors are pretty backed up as it is.
I've been very tempted to just put some material on my own webspace. But then it's not canon, nor could I ever use that material for a print book down the line. So I've held off.
| QUOTE (MK Ultra @ Mar 27 2006, 10:23 PM) |
| Uh, where can I sign in? I don´t know, I never liked the all-german suplements that much (and hated the ones, where some other stuff got cut out and replaced by uninteresting material on the AGS). I got all the latest german-only products for compleatness sake, but to be honest, I didn´t even read through Germany in the Shadows II and Target: AGS. |
T:AGS is surprisingly good
but the rest of german-only sourecebooks has too many pages full of simple crap. And i never ever will ike the idea that Germany splits up into 20 tiny states. I woudl go the other way and create a new dictatorship, which would be more fitting imo. To sign in just look for the Drop Bears. We'll unleash them on some german authors soon
Help the Drop Bear by his attack and you have signed in.
Does that mean, I have to read through the whole DB-thread? I went blind on page 19 or so and I´m afraid, after reading another 50+ pages, the brile-translator will have my fingertips whitled down all the way to my torso. Also, It would probably take like forever and kill my chance, to get done with my university tests.
To understand the DPC you have to read the whole 69 pages, yes. But believe me, the knowledge gained there is worth the effort. Dedication shown in this way is the only way to become accepted Brother.
University? Man, quit sleeping - you can work on the tests and read the Drop Bear test during the 8 hours you usually sleep!
University? Man, quit sleeping - you can work on the tests and read the Drop Bear test during the 8 hours you usually sleep!
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| I do all my sleaping in character, that way you can gloss over it and do not waste precious gametime. Also, most of my characters get a sleap regulator, so the glossing over uses up only half the time as well. |
V for vacuous, vapid villians, vainly vamping vulgar vestal virgins
I thought most of europe got through the big crash ok because of SK's pulling the plug.
I thought most of europe got through the big crash ok because of SK's pulling the plug.
| QUOTE (Daddy's Little Ninja @ Mar 28 2006, 08:35 PM) |
| I thought most of europe got through the big crash ok because of SK's pulling the plug. |
Lofwyr protected his systems and those of his clients, everybody else was left to fend for themselves... Damage was less than North Am but someplaces got hit pretty hard.
I thought his cleints were europe? From reading the text I thought When he took down his systems, he took down everything. That was why the various bosses were screaming.
They were screaming because he was about to cut off the majority of communication in Europe. As politicians, they wanted to have the cake (communication) and eat it, too (wyrm free). But Goldie would rather horde his cake... and let the other systems fend for themselves. Real competition killer.
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