fool
Apr 10 2006, 09:14 PM
I'm kind of new to this board and don't get on that often, but I've been coming across several anacronyms that confuse me so help me out... I understand imop, btw, wtf etc. but some others like irrc , bbb et al confuse me.
Hep me hep me
Thanee
Apr 10 2006, 09:16 PM
If I Remember (or Recall) Correctly
Big Black Book (I suppose, it's more commonly used as Big Blue Book for the Champions RPG, AFAIK)
As Far As I Know
Bye
Thanee
Azralon
Apr 10 2006, 09:17 PM
They're actually not proprietary to Dumpshock. This oughta help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_acronymsA vocabulary list can be found at the bottom.
Valentinew
Apr 10 2006, 09:18 PM
Beaten to the punch....
GrinderTheTroll
Apr 10 2006, 09:20 PM
Bah it has "ZOMG" and no "QTF"
/calls Shenanigans
Azralon
Apr 10 2006, 09:23 PM
So get a Wiki account and add it in.
fool
Apr 10 2006, 09:26 PM
that was quite helpful, ty
Azralon
Apr 10 2006, 09:28 PM
np
stevebugge
Apr 10 2006, 09:32 PM
There are a few Dumpshock-centric ones though
AVS = Ares Viper Slivergun
the various and sundry shortenings of book titles to their begining initials
DotSW for Dragons of the Sixth World for example.
RAW = Rules as Written (probably not unique to DS, but I didn't see it in the Wiki either)
Azralon
Apr 10 2006, 09:33 PM
QUOTE (stevebugge @ Apr 10 2006, 05:32 PM) |
RAW = Rules as Written (probably not unique to DS, but I didn't see it in the Wiki either) |
Yeah, that one's pretty standard for many roleplaying games (RPGs).
GrinderTheTroll
Apr 10 2006, 10:22 PM
QUOTE (Azralon) |
QUOTE (stevebugge @ Apr 10 2006, 05:32 PM) | RAW = Rules as Written (probably not unique to DS, but I didn't see it in the Wiki either) |
Yeah, that one's pretty standard for many roleplaying games (RPGs).
|
Sometimes I've seen (and used) "canon" used in place of RAW.
mdynna
Apr 10 2006, 10:27 PM
"Canon" refers more to the whole Shadowrun Universe in a kind of Plutonic way. When people mention the RAW they're usually talking about the "crunch" part of the game, whereas "canon" usually refers more to the "fluff" stuff.
That reminds me:
Crunch (n): the rules and game mechanics portion of an RPG
Fluff (n): the setting, history, and plot of an RPG; the "justification" behind the rules
blakkie
Apr 10 2006, 10:31 PM
Also "canon" tends to span several versions of rules where as "RAW" tends to be tied tighter to one version because the designers usually try to keep canon as stable as possible, to help maintain customer base, while RAW is usually the thrust behind a version change.
This is especially true with SR since the marketing emphasis is so strongly based on the setting.
Azralon
Apr 11 2006, 05:22 PM
QUOTE (mdynna) |
"Canon" refers more to the whole Shadowrun Universe in a kind of Plutonic way. When people mention the RAW they're usually talking about the "crunch" part of the game, whereas "canon" usually refers more to the "fluff" stuff.
That reminds me: Crunch (n): the rules and game mechanics portion of an RPG Fluff (n): the setting, history, and plot of an RPG; the "justification" behind the rules |
Well said.
hobgoblin
Apr 11 2006, 07:04 PM
heh, i have allways read RAW as just that, the word raw...
basicly the pure, unmodified rules. never guessed that it was short for something
Shrike30
Apr 11 2006, 07:44 PM
What, the UPPERCASE LETTERS weren't a big tipoff?

BBB has been around a looong time. I'm not sure Champions can lay claim to starting it.
mintcar
Apr 11 2006, 07:48 PM
QUOTE (GrinderTheTroll) |
Bah it has "ZOMG" and no "QTF"
/calls Shenanigans
|
"quoted truth for"?
hobgoblin
Apr 11 2006, 08:11 PM
QUOTE (Shrike30) |
What, the UPPERCASE LETTERS weren't a big tipoff? 
BBB has been around a looong time. I'm not sure Champions can lay claim to starting it. |
not everyone use uppercase consistently
Nightfalke
Nov 11 2009, 06:30 PM
Thread Necromancy Engaged!

Since it's usually better to raise an old thread than start a new one.
Help me out here. I've seen CBA in a hacking thread, and can't for the life of me figure out what that one means.
hobgoblin
Nov 11 2009, 07:01 PM
drawing a blank, something in unwired maybe?
Sponge
Nov 11 2009, 07:10 PM
The meaning I know of CBA is "can't be arsed", meaning, the writer was too lazy to do whatever it was they were talking about (usually in the Dumpshock context, go look up some obscure rule/stat/background fact).
Ex: "I CBA to dig out my old books but IIRC blah blah blah"
hobgoblin
Nov 11 2009, 07:38 PM
ah yes, i was wondering in what context it was used
Nightfalke
Nov 11 2009, 07:47 PM
QUOTE (Sponge @ Nov 11 2009, 01:10 PM)

The meaning I know of CBA is "can't be arsed", meaning, the writer was too lazy to do whatever it was they were talking about (usually in the Dumpshock context, go look up some obscure rule/stat/background fact).
Ex: "I CBA to dig out my old books but IIRC blah blah blah"
Well, the quote was:
QUOTE
Use Spoofing when you CBA to hack the drone, but first Analyse the controlling Persona to get his Access ID. Each Command issued requires a separate Spoof. If you hack the drone, you can command it as though it were your own.
And then it was used again in the exact same thread...so I thought it was something from Unwired that I missed or something.
But now I know. Thank you!
MikeKozar
Nov 12 2009, 04:09 AM
Thanks, I was reading CBA as a tech move as well.
Xahn Borealis
Nov 12 2009, 06:14 PM
What about soak? I think that's an RPG term and I've seen it around here.
Brazilian_Shinobi
Nov 12 2009, 06:32 PM
Well, I can't remember where soak shows up in SR, I know it is a game mechanic term for the old WoD rules system of White Wolf.
hobgoblin
Nov 12 2009, 06:34 PM
i could be wrong, but i think its a import term from wod games.
its basically a short hand for a defense roll or some other mechanic that removes damage before its applied.
i suspect its taken from a sponge being used to soak up liquid before it damages whatever its spilled on...
Xahn Borealis
Nov 12 2009, 06:34 PM
QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Nov 12 2009, 06:32 PM)

Well, I can't remember where soak shows up in SR, I know it is a game mechanic term for the old WoD rules system of White Wolf.
It never shows up in SR, but I've heard it used when talking about SR, specifically when a GM asked his players for 'soak rolls', here:
QUOTE (Sixgun_Sage @ Nov 12 2009, 06:07 PM)

A moment that made my inner evil gm chuckle is when one of m y players said he was going to "pull the grenade and throw the pin" I asked him if he was sure, he said he was, then it dawned on him when I asked everyone for soak rolls.
Xahn Borealis
Nov 12 2009, 06:35 PM
QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Nov 12 2009, 06:34 PM)

i could be wrong, but i think its a import term from wod games.
its basically a short hand for a defense roll or some other mechanic that removes damage before its applied.
i suspect its taken from a sponge being used to soak up liquid before it damages whatever its spilled on...
thanks.
BBEG = Big Bad Evil Guy?
Xahn Borealis
Nov 12 2009, 06:37 PM
QUOTE (Azralon @ Apr 10 2006, 09:17 PM)

They're actually not proprietary to Dumpshock. This oughta help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_acronymsA vocabulary list can be found at the bottom.
Where?
MikeKozar
Nov 12 2009, 06:42 PM
QUOTE (Xahn Borealis @ Nov 12 2009, 11:14 AM)

What about soak? I think that's an RPG term and I've seen it around here.
"should of added Kevlar"?
Soak is the final defense roll - the attacker rolls for hits, the defender rolls to dodge those hits, and then if damage is dealt the defender rolls to see how much of it is ignored due to his toughness and armor. I think I first heard it used in a 90's sourcebook for some other system, where you could simply 'soak up' part of the incoming damage by virtue of being supernatural.
Xahn Borealis
Nov 12 2009, 06:44 PM
QUOTE (MikeKozar @ Nov 12 2009, 06:42 PM)

"should of added Kevlar"?
Grammar Nazi attack! 'Should of' is wrong. 'Should HAVE', or 'Should've' is right! Don't you feel better now?
Xahn Borealis
Nov 12 2009, 06:44 PM
So it's the Damage Resistance Test?
Sponge
Nov 12 2009, 06:56 PM
QUOTE (Xahn Borealis @ Nov 12 2009, 01:44 PM)

Grammar Nazi attack! 'Should of' is wrong. 'Should HAVE', or 'Should've' is right! Don't you feel better now?
Except that doesn't reduce to a nice SOAK acronym
Xahn Borealis
Nov 12 2009, 07:00 PM
QUOTE (Sponge @ Nov 12 2009, 06:56 PM)

Except that doesn't reduce to a nice SOAK acronym

Shake off all knives?
Shadowrunners often attack Knight?
Soon, orks arrange kills?
PBI
Nov 12 2009, 07:04 PM
I've heard soak used with White Wolf games and I imagine some GMs and players have imported it here.
Brazilian_Shinobi
Nov 12 2009, 07:36 PM
QUOTE (Xahn Borealis @ Nov 12 2009, 03:44 PM)

So it's the Damage Resistance Test?
Yes.
Jericho Alar
Nov 12 2009, 07:38 PM
Soak was also used in the old Battletech games IIRC.
I know I've seen it in used in many different games in the 90s. I think it's actually imported from some wargame from even earlier...
MYST1C
Nov 12 2009, 07:46 PM
QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Apr 11 2006, 08:04 PM)

heh, i have allways read RAW as just that, the word raw...
basicly the pure, unmodified rules. never guessed that it was short for something

Contrast RAI - Rules As Intended.
Ol' Scratch
Nov 12 2009, 08:08 PM
QUOTE (Xahn Borealis @ Nov 12 2009, 12:44 PM)

So it's the Damage Resistance Test?
Not really. It's used to describe the act of absorbing the effect, or how much of the effect actually affects you. It could be used in numerous ways, such as describing the impact of armor versus Body on a roll, the damage a barrier "soaks up" before it gets to you, and so on and so forth. In most cases, it's used in conjunction with the Damage Resistance Tests, but it's not a synonym so much as a descriptor.
MikeKozar
Nov 13 2009, 12:08 AM
QUOTE (Dr. Funkenstein @ Nov 12 2009, 01:08 PM)

Not really. It's used to describe the act of absorbing the effect, or how much of the effect actually affects you. It could be used in numerous ways, such as describing the impact of armor versus Body on a roll, the damage a barrier "soaks up" before it gets to you, and so on and so forth. In most case, it's used in conjunction with the Damage Resistance Tests, but it's not a synonym so much as a descriptor.
Quite right. As another example, when calculating Wound Modifiers, you could describe the damage boxes ignored due to a High Pain Tolerance quality (or chem) as being 'soaked' - they are removed from the equation.
Another example: One of my players had a damage resistance pool of 26 (Troll Body, lots of armor, bone density bonus) which he would cash in to 'soak' 6 points of damage at 4:1, making him pretty much immune to small arms fire and melee attacks for most of the game.
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