I was once told of a gun used by elves that can target people behind walls and shoot right through the wall. It had a lot of other options like dna scanning, ultra sound scope, I don't remember everything and I could be wrong about these options. I do remember it seeing through walls and shooting through the wall to it's target. It's somekind of weapon for special forces units. Can someone please tell me what book and page this gun is in?

Also does any book say what exactly Paladin Armor does and if so what book and page please?

I hope to [some supernatural entity] no such thing exists and someone's been pulling your chain.

Actually it was in a run book, Celtic Doublecross I believe. The Tir Na Nog elves had it. I forget the specifics, I dont have the book with me. It had some weird things with it, I dont remember all the details, I think the adventure was first edition or very early second. It was also directally jacked into and controled almost like a drone I believe. It was a weird gun. I am almost 100% certain it was in Celtic Doublecross. If not, its in elven fire.

Now that I think about it, it might not be the Elves that have it. It might be the British SAS. I think it was used for antiterror snipers.

Let me see if I can find it, or if someone else remembers it.


EDIT: The DNA scanner was if I remember correctly the first use of biometric security in SR. The scanner was to make sure that if the gun was stolen only the certified user could use it.

No, it was the bloody TRC "morphseeking" sniper rifle from Tír na nÓg, and what a vague, ill-statted bastard child that particular weapon/implant was. It was basically used to kill shapeshifters, as I recall. No millimeter-wave see-through-walls scope or any of that happy business.

Im just proud I remember the thing from over 10 years ago anyway. I dont know the rules on it at all.

you're all wrong. such a weapon was never introduced in SR. ever.

ever.

Morph-seeking rifle like AH said it's in the Tir Na Nog Book page 152. It's a sniper rifle/ implant combo that can ID it's target with 99% accuracy as well as give accurate range to "maximize the effectiveness of the shot" It also has all sorts of scanners and such to make sure only the user can fire it, it explodes if anyone else tries.

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AKA, "Plot Device Gun."

I don't really see what's so twisted about this gun. The damage code is a little ridiculous for a cybergun (better than basic sniper rifles?), but asides from that it's a cybergun with a rangefinder attached?

What's this "morph-seeking" bit, some sort of biometric scanner that detects shapeshifters?

Its not a cyber gun like you think it is. Its a full sized rifle, that sits on a tirpod. It has scanners and stuff all over it. Supposedly with its sensors it can pick out its target from a crowd and stuff like that. The sniper is jacked into it and basically all he does is OK the shot. The rifle does it all.

So it's the result of someone watching the original Ghost in the Shell movie once too often.

~J

Except that it was introduced in 1993.

Good call. The manga still predates, but unless the developers of that period were reasonably fluent in reading Japanese I guess this one was original.

~J

Just to clarify, the gun links to the snipers brain, and using Biometrics it can single out its target. When the appropriate level of assuredness is reached the gun oks the shot. Then it syncs up with the shooter and helps provide the most accurate shot. The sniper can override the system and fire when he wants, but generally the gun decided its ok to shoot. The only thing fantastic about this gun (especially after the 121 was introduced) is the fact it can spot its target in a crowd no matter disguise. Apparently the idea of biometrics in the Tir is light years ahead of anyone elses. Oh and the players may never use the gun even if they beg statement. The gun also uses its biometrics to make sure the gun is only fired by the man the gun was built for. Using retinal scanners and other things.

I guess the morph seeking just means it can recognize its target in any disguise. There is no mention in the rules section or the fluff that I have found yet to say it was meant to be used against shapeshifters. Its in the hands of the TRC and is made by AET.

page 41 of the Tir na nOg book has shadow talk describing the weapon a bit more, the page 152 blub does the stats of it.

Right. I would call it "anti player character gun" before I'd call it "anti shapeshifter." Much like the uber-armor all the super sexy badass elf guys get (that players can't get, or defeat), it's pretty much just custom tailored to make sure the players die if they ever fuck with the rules of Tir na nOg -- it can see through their disguises, pick them out of a crowd, kill them, and can't ever, under any circumstances, be picked up and used by them.

Basically, whenever someone talks about this gun, ignore what they're saying and pretend, instead, they're just saying "FUCK THE PLAYERS" over and over again, until their lips stop moving.

Actually I would call it over rated and seriously a waste of time. For the TRC to build a profile on you big enough for the biometrics to accurately pick you out 99% of the time, they could have snuck into your house and smothered you with a pillow, then kicked your dog.

This gun would only be good for killing people in the public eye often. Where the TCR could analyz film and stuff in secret then build a biometric profile on them. Then later take them out if they start to be problematic.

...there was a similar type of weapon featured on this really cheezy show years ago on Fox named Mantis. Don't think it even lasted a season.

...why do I remember this?

The flying car.

I saw a show on Las Vegas casino security on A&E a while back and those casinos already have biometric cameras installed at all of their entrences. Aparently then can detect barred customers and known card cheats, thieves, etc... 80% of the time, no matter what type of desguise they are wearing. Aparently it all has to do with the space between the eye, ears, nose, lips, etc... stuff that can't be disguised without surgery or a major disguise (which has a better chance of being noticed or unusual).

So, I don't see it as being much of a leap that in 50 years the technology will be better and smaller (and maybe installed in flying cars.)

Thats because they use the Griffon book. Im sure they have film of these guys cheating also. So they probably have a lot of information to build a biometric profile on the person. The Griffon company is a firm that specializes in catching cheats.

The sniper rifle itself isnt going to be in the best possible position, say looking directly at your target as he walks through a controlled entrance. Its going to be over head or on some other crazy angel. Plus other factors that could possibly change the biometrics like weather. This gun claims 99% accuracy on all their targets. They even go so far as to say the TRC has almost never killed the wrong person with that gun.

To get 99% accuracy on a target in the most difficult of situations is going to be pretty damn hard. Especially if the person has body gaurds and body doubles running interence. Hell Ill go so far as to say 99% accuracy with biometrics in a war situation is going to be abou 1% possible. Well that assumes the description of the gun and fluff earlier in the book suggests anytime the sniper sets up for the kill. Not when the target is in the perfect postion to be 99% accurately IDed and killed.

But yeah Vegas has some crazy security. Any ladies out there that goes to a casino, dont wear red, at least not with out a bra on. Their cameras are so sensitive they can pretty much see through the cloth.

EDIT: Yes biometrics is the measurements of your face. Its alos other bodily sizes, like length of fingers and spacing. Watch True Lies, when they do the retina scans and put their hands on the palm scanner. Not only is it doing their finger prints, its mearuing their hands to compare it to a biometric profile. You could fake the fingerprimts, but did you fake the hand size? And not just the hand size, but knuckle spacing, how far the tip of your thumb is from the third knuckle of your ringfinger at this angel?The principle is that no human face is exactally alike much like a finger print, thus can possitivley ID the person. Thats why a lot of people want them in air ports and other public places to capture criminals and known bad guys like hijackers. These cameras would be at security screening stations at airports or in major public centers to scan crowds and spot bad guys. In the public space if a bad guy is found the camera cops will then proceed to "follow the bad guy with the cameras while coordinating patrol cops to capture the bad guy.

Just to be clear, casinos keep out a number of people. Some of those people were cheaters, some were violent or abusive, but others were card counters. Note that card-counting is not cheating, merely unprofitable for the house, but this idea that card-counting=cheating has become (no doubt to the glee of the casinos) somehow widely embedded in the public mind.

Not that anyone specifically brought up card counters, but in my experience that's what people are usually really talking about when they reference "card cheats" in a casino context.

~J

Oh I agree, card counting isnt techincally cheating, and yeah casinos do see it as such. I mean who wants people that may win in their casinos, only bad players are welcome.

But yes, they (the card counters) are in the Griffon book if caught.