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shau
Here's is a list of the more humorous ruling my GM had to make. Everything here was ruled in response to something someone has suggested doing or tried to do, though I suspect many were thrown out just to get a rise out of the GM. I got the idea to post this after reading "Things Mr. Welch can no longer do in an Rpg."

1. A shadowrunner PC is expected to do some shadowrunning. No hiring other shadowrunners to take your place or relying on contacts to do all of your work for you.

2. Lowfyr is not an acceptable contact.
2.1 Nor any other dragon.
2.2 Nor any other famous shadowrun character.

3. PCs are expected to do shadowruns. They should not decide to pursue a safer, alternate criminal career such as:
3.1 Stealing cars
3.2 Selling copied software.
3.3 Forgery
3.3 Prostituting themselves.
3.4 Mugging random people.

4. Troll social adepts will no longer be accepted.

5. PCs cannot ask to be a halfing.
5.1 or gnome
5.2 or centaur

6. A black elf who dual wields swords is not an acceptable PC.

7. Nudity does not grant a bonus to any social roll.

8. Being a ninja is a privilege, not a right. Try not to be an ass.

9. While an adept with maxed out infiltration and agility, improved ability (infiltration) 6, wearing a camouflage suit, concealed by a force 7 water spirit, and under the effects of improved invisibility is impressively hard to detect, the GM will not rule that it is impossible for any living thing to detect you, as you have requested.

10. PCs cannot use the palming skill to hide their Panther Cannon.

11. PCs are expected to have at least one weapon that does less than 10P.

12. PCs are expected to have one gun that is not a rocket launcher.

13. There is no Addiction: Murder.

14. While faerie can be an acceptable choice for a magical tradition, the character who takes it cannot have a lisp.

15. There is no “Skyclad” Geas.

16. No PC can enter a dream pact with a force 20 free spirit.

17. Jesus is not a valid choice for a mentor spirit.

18. PCs cannot take every drug in the game at once.

19. PCs are expected to make characters that do not begin play with an addiction to every drug in shadowrun.

20. While it will be accepted this time, in the future PCs are expected to have a backstory that is longer and more involved than “I have amnesia.”

21. PCs cannot have a long and rambling backstory that details how they were the real cause of every major event in the shadowrun timeline.

22. PCs cannot have a spiritual awakening, followed by turning all their friends, their contacts, and their Mr. J over to lonestar.

23. PCs are not allowed to use their down time to:
23.1 Use the spell shattershield to destroy wards all around town, causing thousands of nuyen in property damage and mass panic when mage response teams are called to twenty different locations in fifteen minutes.
23.1(a) Even if they do happen to be a chaos mage.
23.2 Burning anything that will burn.
23.2(a) Even if they do happen to be a chaos mage
23.3 Prostituting themselves
23.4 Slaying dragons

24. The GM is willing to allow a PC to wield a monowire chainsaw without penalties, but dual wielding them is right out.
24.1 No dual wielding Panther Cannons either
24.2 You know, the GM would appreciate it if PCs did not dual wield anything.

25. PCs are not allowed to put 20 grenades in a backpack, rig them to explode at once, and throw the whole package at their enemies.

26. PCs will not attempt to assassinate their target by attempting to blow up the building he happens to be in.

27. Shau can no longer play a “demolitions dwarf” character.

28. Porn is not an acceptable specialization for the data search skill
28.1 Dwarf on orc lesbian porn is not any more acceptable.

29. PCs can not begin the game with over eight steel lynxes.

30. PCs cannot be a self aware AI.
30.1 Or a ‘Free Sprite.”
30.2 Or a ghost trapped in the machine.

31. Even if a PC has a great supply of miniwelders and thermite, there is no reason to go through a wall when a perfectly good door is right there.

32. PCs will stop going through the floor or ceiling, forcing the GM to make every location three dimensional to be a challenge.
Ancient History
I take exception to some of these.
Jaid
yeah, some of those are just ridiculous.

first off, skyclad would be an acceptable geas IMO. no armor is a definite drawback.

secondly, stealing cars/etc is reasonable, if your GM is not gonna pay you enough. honestly, if he doesn't want you to spend time doing that, provide something better to do with your time (implementing training time is one good idea, and paying the runners enough that they can afford their lifestyle, expenses, and maybe even some upgrades is another). of course, they do also have the possibility of getting you killed also, so some degree of moderation is a good idea.

thirdly, troll social adepts have their own drawbacks. if someone wants to play one, let them, i say.

fourth, i would have to say seduction is a social skill check. nudity would have some definite potential to help there =P

Jesus could be a mentor spirit for a christian tradition.

someone starting with more than 8 steel lynxes is blowing 45k just for the body(ies). add in the cost just for decent weaponry, sensor packages, a good commlink, pilot ratings to enable the drones to hit, response chips to enable the drones to run better pilot ratings, autosofts to let the drones do things other than shoot and dodge (like maybe succeeding at driving tests, or not getting jammed), and you're looking at a serious investment in BP that can be taken away with some halfway decent jamming gear, leaving the PC who invested purely in drones screwed over. let them do it, but let them know that sometimes they will be separated from their drones as well, of course.

and finally, going through the floor or ceiling is perfectly viable in many instances... if you don't want them to use that strategy, just remind them that their run is supposed to not be noticed. if people notice they've been there, that often ruins your chances at stealth (places with better security will even have alarms that go off when floors, ceilings, and walls are breached) going through walls and floors should generally be limited to situations where you are in a hurry, and you have no need for stealth (either you've been detected, or you don't care if you're detected).

seriously, some of those are fine, but some of those are just lame.
hyzmarca
QUOTE (shau @ Sep 24 2006, 09:31 PM)
1. A shadowrunner PC is expected to do some shadowrunning.  No hiring other shadowrunners to take your place or relying on contacts to do all of your work for you.

Hey, if they can aford the fees and still make a profit there is nothing wrong with subcontracting.

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2. Lowfyr is not an acceptable contact.
2.1 Nor any other dragon.
2.2 Nor any other famous shadowrun character.

Dude. Dude. Lofwyr as a contact is far more trouble than he is worth for the PCs but infinite fun for the sadistic GM.

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3. PCs are expected to do shadowruns.  They should not decide to pursue a safer, alternate criminal career such as:
3.1 Stealing cars
3.2 Selling copied software.
3.3 Forgery
3.3 Prostituting themselves.
3.4 Mugging random people.

Shadowrunners are already corporate whores, there is nothng wrong with going all the way. In any event, a prostitution gig can be a Shadowrun in and of itself or a great hook for an adventure. The same is true about stealing, mugging, forging, pirating, and counterfiting.
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4. Troll social adepts will no longer be accepted.

Why the hell not?
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5. PCs cannot ask to be a halfing.
5.1 or gnome
5.2 or centaur

Halflings don't exist and centaurs are an NPC race so that's pushing it but gnomes have been a Dwarf metatype for a very long time. However, I can accept that a GM would want to avoid metatypes until the SR$ metatype rules come out. Still, such a ruling will be a bitch for people who want to convert SR3 characters like my SURGED Albino Lesbian Night-One Catgirl.
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6. A black elf who dual wields swords is not an acceptable PC.

Racist are we?
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7. Nudity does not grant a bonus to any social roll.

I''m sorry. I would probably accept an offer to suck on Nadja Davier's brown nipples if she offered and they were in plain view. I would be less inclined to do so if she were wearing a shirt.
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8. Being a ninja is a privilege, not a right.  Try not to be an ass.

Always be an ass. A Baadassss.
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9.  While an adept with maxed out infiltration and agility, improved ability (infiltration) 6, wearing a camouflage suit, concealed by a force 7 water spirit, and under the effects of improved invisibility is impressively hard to detect, the GM will not rule that it is impossible for any living thing to detect you, as you have requested.

The GM can make the rolls but if he cheats he will be kidnapped and abused by evil midgets who pretend to be his grandchildren so no one will get suspicious.
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10. PCs cannot use the palming skill to hide their Panther Cannon.

How big is the PC's palm?
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11.  PCs are expected to have at least one weapon that does less than 10P.

Why settle for second best?
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12. PCs are expected to have one gun that is not a rocket launcher.

A grenade launcher?
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13. There is no Addiction: Murder.

That would be a terrible addiction
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14. While faerie can be an acceptable choice for a magical tradition, the character who takes it cannot have a lisp.

What?
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15.  There is no �Skyclad� Geas.

I have no idea what Skyclad means.
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16.  No PC can enter a dream pact with a force 20 free spirit.

If the GM putss out a force 20 spirit and the PC can make the social rolls requrired to convince it to make the pact (if any) then I see no problem.
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17. Jesus is not a valid choice for a mentor spirit.

Does your GM have buttsex with Lucifer? Jesus is the only valid choice for Mentor Spirit and he comes in so many flavors.
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18.  PCs cannot take every drug in the game at once.

Aren't there OD rules?
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19.  PCs are expected to make characters that do not begin play with an addiction to every drug in shadowrun.

That is simply a swift death rather than a slow one.
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20.  While it will be accepted this time, in the future PCs are expected to have a backstory that is longer and more involved than �I have amnesia.�

I suppose your GM also refuses to accept people of his prefered gender who pop out of cakes wearing only whipped-cream thongs and fuck-me smiles.
A PC with total amnesia is the wetdream of most creative and sadistic GMs.
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21.  PCs cannot have a long and rambling backstory that details how they were the real cause of every major event in the shadowrun timeline.

Turning down even more plot hooks? That GM is too kind.

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22.  PCs cannot have a spiritual awakening, followed by turning all their friends, their contacts, and their Mr. J over to lonestar.

Why the hell not?

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23.  PCs are not allowed to use their down time to:
23.1 Use the spell shattershield to destroy wards all around town, causing thousands of nuyen in property damage and mass panic when mage response teams are called to twenty different locations in fifteen minutes.
23.1(a) Even if they do happen to be a chaos mage.
23.2 Burning anything that will burn.
23.2(a) Even if they do happen to be a chaos mage

Fun, but it attracts the attention of authorities.
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23.3 Prostituting themselves

Has your GM never watched Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song?
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23.4 Slaying dragons

In Shadowrun, people don't slay dragons. It usually works the other way around. When it doesn't do you really want to have the police after you for Dracocide?
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24.  The GM is willing to allow a PC to wield a monowire chainsaw without penalties, but dual wielding them is right out.

Not even if he cuts off both his hands and forgoes the Boomstick?
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24.1 No dual wielding Panther Cannons either

They have recoil comp.
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24.2 You know, the GM would appreciate it if PCs did not dual wield anything.

Split Dice pools, my friend. Split Dice pools.
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25.  PCs are not allowed to put 20 grenades in a backpack, rig them to explode at once, and throw the whole package at their enemies.

Why?
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26.  PCs will not attempt to assassinate their target by attempting to blow up the building he happens to be in.

Take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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27.  Shau can no longer play a �demolitions dwarf� character.

Why?
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28.  Porn is not an acceptable specialization for the data search skill
Porn is the only acceptable specialization for the data search skill.
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28.1 Dwarf on orc lesbian porn is not any more acceptable.

I prefer Elf on Troll but to each his own.
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29. PCs can not begin the game with over eight steel lynxes.

Why?
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30.  PCs cannot be a self aware AI.

Why
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30.1 Or a �Free Sprite.�

Why?
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30.2 Or a ghost trapped in the machine.

Waiting for PC GitM rules in Unwired?
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31. Even if a PC has a great supply of miniwelders and thermite, there is no reason to go through a wall when a perfectly good door is right there.

Has your GM never seen Lucky Number Sleven? The wall is the only way to go.
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32. PCs will stop going through the floor or ceiling, forcing the GM to make every location three dimensional to be a challenge.

So the locations had previously been flat planes?
Dranem
QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Sep 25 2006, 01:38 AM)
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6. A black elf who dual wields swords is not an acceptable PC.

Racist are we?

This is a D&D reference... should have said "A black elf with long white hair, dual wielding swords is not acceptable."

Guess he doesn't want modern Drizzt wanna-bes.

Or it would have been easier to set the condition to: Drow are not an acceptable variant of Elf.

[edit] corrected spelling mistakes.
SL James
QUOTE (shau)
7. Nudity does not grant a bonus to any social roll.

Is that for the PC, or the Player, too?

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15.  There is no “Skyclad” Geas.

See above.

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28.  Porn is not an acceptable specialization for the data search skill

But warez is still cool, right?

QUOTE (Jaid)
seriously, some of those are fine, but some of those are just lame.

To be fair, so is your serious response to an SR version of a ginormous joke-thread on rpg.net.

QUOTE (hyzmarca)
I have no idea what Skyclad means.

It means naked, as in, "clad only in the sky."

BTW, the original thread is here .
Rotbart van Dainig
QUOTE (shau)
26.  PCs will not attempt to assassinate their target by attempting to blow up the building he happens to be in.

Oh, in fact that's perfectly acceptable if Johnson requests an assasination with great media coverage. biggrin.gif

Houserules I'm toying with right now, to change some opposing tests:

Any veryfication system trying to prove a fake identity wrong rolls it's rating against a threshold equal to the rating.
Every B&E tool trying to crack open access rolls it's rating against a threshold euqal to the security system rating.

Result: Faked SINs, finger-, voice- or retina prints and copied keykards work better than sequencers and passkeys, as you need to obtain the original first.
hobgoblin
hmm, i could have sworn i have seen a list like this atleast one time before on this page...
Wiseman
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24.  The GM is willing to allow a PC to wield a monowire chainsaw without penalties, but dual wielding them is right out.



Not even if he cuts off both his hands and forgoes the Boomstick?


Shop smart, shop...S-Mart. Man that made me spit coffee on my damn computer this morning.

kzt
QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Sep 25 2006, 06:28 AM)

Any veryfication system trying to prove a fake identity wrong rolls it's rating against a threshold equal to the rating.
Every B&E tool trying to crack open access rolls it's rating against a threshold euqal to the security system rating.

Result: Faked SINs, finger-, voice- or retina prints and copied keykards work better than sequencers and passkeys, as you need to obtain the original first.

Reasonable.

In reality, access control systems for corporations generally alarm the guards after x number of false tries, and either lock down until a guard resets it or go to long retry timeouts, like minutes. (Our system also skews a camera at the door that someone just failed to open at the first try.) So sequencers and passkeys don't work against them. In addition, attacking the outside electronics doesn't help, as it is just the tool that passes the access codes to the door controller, that passes it to the central controller. If you can get to the door controller (inside the protected space) then you can open the door. This typically sets off a bypass alarm. . .

Other options include tricks like grabbing the rfid off a passcard (like by shooting a micro-receiver in a dart gun into the brick wall near the scanner) or copying their keys as you suggest.


Home systems are likely to be a lot easier.
Rotbart van Dainig
If one assumes power analysis and the like for passkeys or sequencers, they might actually work.

BTW - anyone out there who experimented with allowing layering armor (if physically possible), ruling that armor values simply stack? (Encumberence gets usually very ugly, though.)
Kyoto Kid
QUOTE (shau)
4. Troll social adepts will no longer be accepted.

...you'll have to take that matter up with BabyDoll.
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