fool
Oct 17 2006, 09:16 PM
So you take voice control, linguistics and commanding voice with a geas of speaking to save 25% on those powers
Mistwalker
Oct 17 2006, 09:18 PM
I wouldn't allow it in my game.
Tis a cheesy cheat.
You need to be able to speak to use 2 of the three.
It would be like taking Burnout addition to breathing.
fistandantilus4.0
Oct 17 2006, 09:19 PM
I wouldn't allow it. Even if you do have to sit there muttering to your self liek a crazy person to learn a languae in an hour, I'd say no.
Moon-Hawk
Oct 17 2006, 09:27 PM
Ha!
Now if the Geas was that you had to speak in a way that made it obvious that you were using the power. For example, commanding voice:
"Obey the commands of Mr. Mental! I compel you, drop your weapons!"
That's probably a fair geas. But really, that first one? That's what hardcover gaming books are for. *whap!*
Butterblume
Oct 17 2006, 09:33 PM
QUOTE (Moon-Hawk) |
"Obey the commands of Mr. Mental! I compel you, drop your weapons!" |
I think I have to read those rules again, but this is hilarious.
Moon-Hawk
Oct 17 2006, 09:35 PM
Now bear in mind, as a GM I would only count the last three words toward the word-limit of the command. (there is one, isn't there? maybe I'm misremembering) The first nine words are geas, not power.
Big D
Oct 17 2006, 09:55 PM
Y'know, that could really work with the catholic mages over in the religious traditions thread.
Eleazar
Oct 17 2006, 10:02 PM
This thread just got me thinking, I would love to see someone make a satirical character based upon cheesing the game mechnics with things just like the above. Also seeing things like Burnout addiction breathing would be quite funny though that would have to be a complete joke build.
eidolon
Oct 17 2006, 10:09 PM
Satirical? I had a player back in HI whose characters were nearly ALWAYS based on loopholes such as the one in the first post.
Zen Shooter01
Oct 18 2006, 12:58 AM
As a gamemaster I would say to you, stick it in your ear.
But I would do it in sign language.
Mistwalker
Oct 18 2006, 01:15 AM
American Sign Language, or another one?
Konsaki
Oct 18 2006, 01:26 AM
Wouldnt 'burnout addiction - breathing' have essence loss and attribute loss? (bod + Str?)
I could see some old beardy mage with an oxygen tank to breath from because of a burnout on needing it, but that would also crossover into the 'Infirm' neg qual.
Fastball
Oct 18 2006, 03:30 AM
I would definitely allow it, but not as an incantation geas as you think you would be getting. Instead, I would apply a mixture of the rules for a condition/special action geas:
"Whenever the character fails to fulfill the condition of speaking for a full minute, the geas is broken for 24 hours."
That should make for an interesting character concept.
RunnerPaul
Oct 18 2006, 08:27 AM
QUOTE (Moon-Hawk) |
That's what hardcover gaming books are for. *whap!* |
Exactly. This'd earn a four-edition-stack-upside-the-head-GM-show-of-disaproval. I rarely use it, but this warants it.
Moon-Hawk
Oct 18 2006, 02:45 PM
QUOTE (Fastball) |
"Whenever the character fails to fulfill the condition of speaking for a full minute, the geas is broken for 24 hours."
That should make for an interesting character concept. |
Ha! I like that one, too!
And you know, I'm such a lovable GM I'd even let them talk incessantly in their sleep, just so they're not forced to break their geas daily.
Seriously, having to talk constantly would be limiting enough in a game about stealth and subterfuge, I don't have to be any meaner.
Ryu
Oct 18 2006, 03:40 PM
Voice control, linguistics and commanding voice with a geas of speaking...
Voice control and commanding voice I can get. Speaking clearly and audibly would sometimes be restricting, but generally youŽd be fine. IŽd stress "clearly and audibly" though.
Linguistics only working while speaking? Not good at all. NO!
Moon-Hawk
Oct 18 2006, 03:58 PM
What does linguistics do again? Isn't that a translation power?
What if you had to say the phrase in both languages, like a cheesy learn-to-speak-esperanto (or whatever language you're speaking) audio-tape?
Mistwalker
Oct 18 2006, 04:18 PM
Linguistics allows you to learn a new language, in about an hour, to skill level 1. After that, you have to raise the skills the old fashioned way.
Moon-Hawk
Oct 18 2006, 04:49 PM
Thanks for the reminder. Hmmmm, not sure how to corrupt a verbal geas for that one.
Mistwalker
Oct 18 2006, 05:01 PM
Easy, if your talking, your not listening, so can't spend an hour to learn the new language.
Moon-Hawk
Oct 18 2006, 05:34 PM
I don't see how that makes it a workable geas.
I think maybe we had a different goal, there.
fool
Oct 18 2006, 07:52 PM
yeah the goal was to be funny, in a chesy sorta way.
toturi
Oct 19 2006, 01:29 AM
QUOTE (fool) |
So you take voice control, linguistics and commanding voice with a geas of speaking to save 25% on those powers |
Under which category of geasa would that be? Under Incantation, OK. under any other category - sorry, not a canon example.
Fastball
Oct 19 2006, 04:14 AM
QUOTE |
yeah the goal was to be funny, in a chesy sorta way. |
Actually, I thought it was funny, and in a cheesy sort of way. I just thought it would be even funnier if a player trying to exploit a loophole was told "sure" and subsequently discovered he had an actual geas, because he failed to specify the correct term for the intended geas (loophole -- it's funny because it is ironic).
QUOTE |
Under which category of geasa would that be? Under Incantation, OK. under any other category - sorry, not a canon example. |
I am presuming, since there is no other discussion of category, that your comment was directed to my post. Since I specifically suggested combing two categories, I wasn't exactly going for canon per se, but since I love to debate, I'll respond anyway.
A geas of speaking is likely to be inferred as an incantation geas, but since the terms "geas of speaking" isn't written in canon, it isn't a necessary interpretation. For example, imagine the following conversation:
GM: Can you explain a geas of speaking?
Player: Sure, it's a ritual geas requiring me to speak within every 24 hour period to fulfill.
In this case, however, an Incantation geas would NOT be canon. A geas, by defintion, per canon, is a restriction. Since an incantion geas does not in any way limit a power that can be used only be speaking, it is not a restriction on that power, and therefore, not a geas.
Since the likely interpretation of a geas of speaking is not canon, we must turn to the alternate, less likely, interpretations. The first possibility is the ritual geas suggested above. Once again, as a ritual geas, it isn't a restriction because it would be immediately fulfilled upon the use of the power (although you might argue a technical restriction because speaking and use of magic would be simultaneous, and might require at least one non-magical word first). You might, of course, modify the interpretation by requiring the adept to speak words of prayer, or speak to a specific person (perhaps a relative, or even the adept himself).
Another possibility is a condition geas in which the person must be in a condition of speaking, or more specifically, a condition of constant rambling. This, of course, is a quite different geas of speaking than an incantation geas, because it does not have requirements of speaking "clearly and audibly." Actually, this could be a very effective limitation. The use of commanding voice requires the target to be able to hear and understand the adept, so a geas of speaking requiring the adept to be whispering or rambling in a low voice could be an effective restriction, greatly limiting the distance over which the power can be used. If you want a canon geas of speaking over the power of commanding voice, make it a condition geas.
Of course, I needed a geas of speaking that would be an actual restriction on three separate powers, so I went for a non-canon combination of a ritual (which I mistakently called special action) and condition geas.
Now look what you've done. You made me argue that a geas of speaking in this case couldn't be an Incantation geas. But if it can't be an incantation geas, then I didn't exploit a loophole. No loophole = no irony = not funny.
RunnerPaul
Oct 19 2006, 04:37 AM
And that's it for this week's program, Deconstructing Humor. Be sure to join us next week, when we'll analyze how sausage is manufactured.
Fastball
Oct 19 2006, 05:30 AM
Yeah, I might have gone <cough> a little overboard, but there was no ill will, I'm just sick in the head and tend to analyze things that should be left alone. At least it served as a good set up for you to make fun of me, so some good came out of it.
toturi
Oct 19 2006, 06:01 AM
QUOTE (Fastball @ Oct 19 2006, 12:14 PM) |
Since the likely interpretation of a geas of speaking is not canon, ... |
Non canon discussion? Your GM can house rule all he wants then.

Incantation Geas: The charactor has to speak, chant or sing in a
loud voice to make magic.
Anyway, if you apply Incantation Geas to the 3 abilities, then you can kiss the subtle approach goodbye if you want to use it. There is your limitation.
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