As a matter of principle, I find it best for the GM to examine all of the rolls, anyway. It discourages fibbing on the part of the players, especially in life-or-death situations.



I must also ask if this was actual countless-Federal-charges-will-be-filed-against-him child pornogrphy or constitutionally protected 'lolicon' artwork.
If it were the former a tip to the police would not be unwise. If it were the latter it i inapproperiate in most (but not all) shadowrun games but far less disturbing.

All I've ever actually seen is lolicon, but there could always be worse. A couple of the other players have implied as much, at least.

Man this topic has gotten serious.

Well here's a serious story involving a player, not as serious as the ones above. But still serious.

Now this story is hard to tell with out names so I'll make up a few.
There was Jack (me)
Phil (the dysfuntio)
and Bill (the other guy)


Now we are all over at my house playing D&D like we do every wensday. Phil is not answering his cell phone because its his parents who he thinks want to lecture him and he doesn't want to deal with that on D&D night. (Phil is over 18 just so you know)
After a while they call on Bill's phone several times looking for Phil.
We then have OTHER people calling, it not being phill's parents Bill answers. Turns out Phil's parents have gotten other people we know to start looking for him.

We now decided that maybe Phil needs to leave. While preparing to drive home with Bill who drove him there to begain with. There is a knock at the back door.
Phil's parents SENT his older brother to fetch him.

Turns out his parent's got the idea into there head he was suicidal.

Now you see, Phil had been kicked out of his apartment shortly after being laid off from his Job so he was going to have to move back home. Which was why he was avoiding a lecture. Turns out his parents paniced when he didn't meet with his brother outside the apartment building that day to help move his stuff out.

Despite the fact they were well aware he would be at D&D like he was every Wednesday for the past several months.

Maybe I'm just a big jerk -- well, okay, that's a given, but anyways -- but it seems to me that during all these horrible stories about horrible people, as I read them, I hear myself thinking "Yeah, idiot, but you hung out with him."

I mean, seriously, guys. If someone's that messed up, that big a social reject, that stupid, that obnoxious, that crazy, whatever -- why are you gaming with them? Why socialize with them? Why have them as an acquaintance or friend, if you think so little of them (and in most cases, rightfully so)? Why invite them into your home, or go into theirs? Why hang out with pedophiles, crazy people that think they're vampires, pathological liars, etc? Are you that desperate for friends?

I dunno. Maybe I'm the crazy one, for only gaming with people I like... but, I mean, it's working for me so far. I don't have stories like these to tell, except for a few random strangers I've run into at cons or something. The folks I share a gaming (and even a wargaming) table with are literate, clean, socially well-adjusted people that just happen to have a single geeky hobby. We bathe, some of us are married (to gamer girls, no less), none of us have lived with our parents since being 18-19 or so, etc, etc.

Is this sort of set-up that rare, when the rest of you seem to be scraping the bottom of the barrel just to throw together a five-man party? If these social misanthropes are so socially misanthropic, why do you hang out with them?

knasser, you have used the internet before? Is it even possible to use the internet and not know what lolicon is?

Well, I guess so. Maybe you she away from the anime, video-gamer, and japanophile subcultures.


Lolicon, is a Japanese contraction of 'Lolita complex' and generally refers to both erotic, romantic, and fanservice anime images of females who are depicted as being young and individuals who are attracted to such images (or actual young girls if one happens to be in Japan). There is no explicit cutoff for the age of the characters (and anime tends to blur age lines considerably with cute childish facial features on everyone and rather mature looking teenagers) but the category is usually reserved for characters who appear to be (but may not necessarily be in their canon) pubescent and barely post-pubescent adolescents or younger. For example, Washu's chibi form in Tenchi Muyo would be considered lolicon despite the fact that she is a several-thousand-year-old shape-shifting genius ex-goddess yet Sailor Moon would not usually be considered lolicon despite the fact that she is 14 when her series begins simply because she is drawn to appear to be far more physically mature than she is in canon.

The term really spans a wide berth from non-explicit images of "Gothic Lolitas" (girls, usually young but sometimes not young and sometimes not girls, dressed in traditional Victorian children's clothing) which are exemplified by various vampire series with eternally youthful protagonists to some of the more explicit shoujo-ai romances (particularly fan images of young characters participating in non-canon lesbian romance), to hardcore pornographic manga anthologies and doujinshi such as Lo. There is also the more extreme sub-genre of toddlercon which is almost always hardcore pornography and is far less accepted amongst lolicon enthusiasts. Toddlercon is banned from the loli sections of some imageboards as a matter of taste.

Most Futaba style imageboards that allow anime pornography also have some sort of lolicon section and it can be said to be almost mainstream amongst imageboard culture, although imageboard culture is generally a niche culture in a niche culture (anime and Japanophile) so calling it almost mainstream isn't exactly saying much, (Of course, some popular imageboards do boast tens of thousands (or more) of unique hits per day and 4chan has 680 seats at the Otakon 2006 Panel; so while still nich among nich imageboards are growing uite rapidly.)
However, such boards have been known to have funding problems. 4chan (which survives on donations) notoriously their paypal account and had issues with several other electronic funds transfer companies due to their lolicon board and eventually move it to the privately funded non4chan domain which had its own servers. Other boards with loli sections have been DDoSed or spammed with actual child porn by vigilantes. Something Awful's "lolicost", the most famous of such campaigns, took down several of the less well funded and less robust lolicon imageboards permanently.
However, as time has gone on, it has become less of a big deal amongst the internet subcultures that are aware of it and one can find lolicon video games, imagesets, and full manga on Rapidshare and various unlicensed anime torrent trackers.

The male version of lolicon is shotacon, a contraction of 'Shotaru Complex'. Shotaru is a popular name for boys in Japan. The poster child of shotacon is Bridget, a young male character from the Guilty Gear video game series who wears a bizzare nun's habit for some reason. They say that Bridget makes you gay.

One thing to note is that the individual may have sexual fantasies about being a young girl rather than fantasies about being with a young girl. There is some minor overlap between the lolicon subculture and the sexual subculture of furry culture, in particular, "cub" pornography in the furry subculture and self-transformative fantasies in the lolicon subculture (although self-transformative lolicons are rarely furries and sexual furries are rarely lolicons). This is likely if he mixes his lolicon with transgender/transexual images and hyperfeminine shotacon.
He may also be attracted to the lolicon aestetic (including the exagerated anime features that would look downright horrific on an actual person) rather than young girls in general, as Kagetenshi mentioned.

It could also be that he surfs Futaba style imageboards for the anomyous social interaction and the horrific flaming that unrestricted anonymous posting invites (if you think some posters here can be bad then just try checking 4chan's /b (Random) board. The /b-tards make us look absolutly tame by comparison) and just happened like the atmosphere of a particular lolicon board. Unlikely, but possible.

The lolicon and shotacon communities, in general, hate actual child pornography and child abuse with a passion; and posts of child pornography, requests for child pornography, or mention of actual sexual contact with a child on a lolicon or shotacon site will lead to a permanant IP ban and an E-mail of the offending IP address to the aproperiate authorities.

I don't believe that to be the case (but then again I have kids), but we are each entitled to own own moral outlook.

Fair enow.

~J

arg this topic has gone way off course.

In the case of actual child pronography it is a moral issue unless you believe in supply-side economics to the exclusion of all else. In the real world, demand creates supply. This is especially true of renewable and nonfinite goods such as enterainment products. If you view it then someone will rip it off and try to sell you their own version.
In order to view or possess it you must get it from somewhere and if you got it from somewhaere then someone knows about our demand for the product and that someone will be far more likely to make more product to satisfy your demand. Only the most isolated aquesition methods (finding discarded in a landfill) are so divorced from the supply that they do not induce the creation of more supply to some degree.





However, in this case there was no child pornography. There was simply drawings of anime characters in compromising positions, which is certainly not the same.
Unless, of course, we find out that the plots of Cool World and Who Framed Roger Rabit and accurate to life and all cartoon characters exist for real somewhere.

Ah, but such transactions are always incentivized in some way. The currency may be as intangible as respect and esteem, or it may simply be barter. In fact, individual demand has a far greater effect on small barter economies than it has on full sized economies. Simple picture-for-picture trading does encourage someone to create more pictures if for no other reason than to trade them for more pictures. In the case of more alutistic distributions that don't rely on the tit-for-tat model the distribution of unique or original material can serve to fuel an individual's ego. This is evident in the firesharing community's zero-day release groups. Those who make zero-day releases do so at their on monetary expense and legal peril in order to feed their own egos. The more people who download the release the better they'll fell about it.

Finding child pornography on USENET is all but impossible, ditto for file sharing networks and the WWW. Even if it weren't P2P and the WWW give a record of every download, which will fuel egos. However, the extreme difficulty of finding this material through standard chennels encourages direct bartering amongst likeminded individuals over the myriad of chat and IM systems, which provides a bar more direct economic incentive than other methods could.

Damn this is a creepy thread.

I figured this belongs more over here then in the other thread Dysfunctional thread beacuse while it happened at the table it was more of a sign of something ill away from the table. Also I just posted it in the Creepiest thread on RPG.net as well.

About a year or so after I had moved out on my own I had finally managed to gather up a gaming group composed of a couple curious friends and an experienced gamer co-worker named "Mike". After a couple months of weekly games things were running really smooth, I was glad to gaming again and the group was excellent. It's important to note at this point that the group, including myself, were all male. Shortly there after another co-worker approached me and asked if she could join our game, I was more then happy to let her join in bringing our number to six. She was new to the game but so was most of my group and "Mike" had done a fantastic job helping the new guys out and I was hoping that together they could show her the ropes. She had decided to make a rogue and like a lot of rookie players she'd got it into her head to try and steal from the party. I let it slide because I figured that the others would probably catch her in the act and straighten her out in and out of character, and that would be that. What I wasn't expecting was for "Mike's" character to upon catching her in the act to explode into violence, punch her character in the face and make his own grapple checks "To grab her by the hair" then scream that he should "Rape you here and now" and then have his PC storm off leaving the other PCs behind. It was the look of smug satisfaction that was the worst, like he was proud that his lawful good paladin had just threatened to rape a party member. The session ended there and an after game apology was given by myself to the Rogue's player and I promised her that it wouldn't happen again. But even this wasn't the creepiest moment of this tale.

That happened two days later when I went back to work on Monday and bumped into "Mike" at lunch who sat next to me and told me what a great time he'd had at gaming. I asked him if he thought his reaction might have been a little over the top, what with the threat of rape and all, and this was his response. "Well, I couldn't help it what with "Jason" whispering Rape her over and over in my ear." I almost wish I could've seen the look on my own face upon hearing that. I knew for a fact that "Jason" had done no such thing as I was matching expressions of concern and dismay with him, and the others in the group as the entire thing had gone down. Apparently that little voice was coming from inside his own head and not someone at the table. Yeah, that was the last time he played at my table.

Is it possible to rename threads? I think the other one should be called Dysfunctional Players (funny) and this one should be called Dysfunctional Players (Waaaay too disturbing). Mods?

Incidentally, Kagatenshi, I disagree with you very strongly on your last post, but I think it requires a more thought out reply than I have time for. I will re-post later.

I think that's a good idea, personally.

well i hope some of these are entertaining and i seriously was way to enthralled by some of the stories on this thread. some people are f'd up jeeez

well first and foremost i had a GM great guy no lie i mean outside of GMing that is. His biggest problem was that he absolutely hated anyone getting the better of his precious NPC's or or PC's that he supposedly "Gm'd himself". When we played DnD with this fellow there was always the ever present fear in anyone that played that we would wake up with all of our gear gone so we had to go find it again, this happened multiple times and got really old really quick. Then Came the Good ole World of Darkness

where to start..hah..well at one point i was running around with my Salubri Antitribu i was running down the street away from lord knows what when a fuckin cop HITS me character and pins against a wall! ohhh the golden part was his exscuse for anything crazy was "Welcome to the world of darkness" hahah Its priceless Hence forth my question after the fact was What part of "Protect and Serve" is hitting some dude with a fuckin cop car I dont care what world you in...cops dont hit people

But when it came to shadowrun the dude always pulled some solid games i dont know what the deal is



So player wise we only had one guy that really just shouldnt have been roleplaying at all. His Elf Ranger in DnD changed sex's so many time's it was retarded, He was an Elf was Natural Ice Abilities and was fighthing an ICE dragon and decided that ice based attacks would work after specifically being told they wouldnt

Oh and in teh world of darkness he always played the same characters. His setite got herpes once it was pretty funny. He also GM'd once and said "you see a 14 year old walk in the bar she's the hottest girl there" that was kinda disturbing

Also played Dumb trolls so much that he thought he could jump 50 feet into a window, We then asked him if he was really trying play that troll


Good time's great oldies

Wow, gone for a couple of days, and here we go. This thread needs to stay on it's (odd ball) topic. Take the rest somewhere else please.

Knasser: yes it can be renamed. We'll see if it survives first.

Time to take it somewhere else please.