So why are they single shot?

Revolvers even in the future are Double action which should have the same game mechanics as semi-auto.


For those of you that don't know

Single Action: You pull the hammer back to cock the gun, and turn the cylinder to the next chamber.
Double Action: you pul the trigger and it turns the cylinder, cocks the hammer, then releases it when you finish your trigger pull.

Whats the difference between a revolver and Semi-auto today? easier loading method for semi autos (drop in a magazine) and lighter trigger pull? The trigger pull on any revolver can be lowered, revolvers can likely have they're resistance lowered to about 5lb trigger pulls.

So why are they single shot when they should follow the same rules as semi-auto. Game mechanics wise?

Right. The Warhawk is modelled after the Ruger Blackhawk, which is a real life modern single-action revolver.

They also make bigger holes in your enemy, that benefit should come at a price (though 6 shots and being firly distinctive should count for something)

Single-Shot is more balancing mechanic more than anything else. The panther Assault Cannon is Single-shot as well, also making this point more apparent.

Compare Predator IV vs Super warhawk.

Pred: 5P -1AP 12 rounds SA
Warhawk: 6p -2AP 6 rounds SS

The warhawk gives you more bang for your buck at the tradeoff being you can only fire it once a round. This does give you the option to say... take aim before you fire it for an extra die though.

...and if you load it with EXEX it goes to a base of 8DV, -4AP.

In KK's hands (total pool of 12) that would be an average total of 11 DV, yeah, that's nasty.

When loaded with Gel, rounds she can usually knock opponents down with one shot forcing them to spend an action getting up next IP (that is if she doesn't shoot them with the one in her other hand next).

...hmmm, maybe those elf mages better watch out.

Something about the hating holywood thing that bothers me, games like SR are more designed to emulate Cinema than to emulate RL.

Damn, that's true. I don't understand why the Streetline Special would be classed as SS then.

Cheap and inefficient weapon, needs the extra time for the casing to be ejected and not jammed, and for the slide to..well, slide... down a slightly out of line track.

Tis my story, and I am sticking to it.

you could have to manually recock it every shot. a cheap gun that almost anybody can make probably has pretty low tolerances, which means that more complex mechanics like using a portion of the gunshot to recock the weapon might be out of the question.

Either or both would be nice Troll Sammy pistols
That troll would probably need muscles 4, but would have an impressive pistol.

Hmm, wonder if that is the type of pistol on the cover of Runner Havens....

There's no semi-automatic pistol chambered in .454 Casull that I know of -- the rimmed ammunition with very long cases make it more trouble than it's worth -- but you can certainly create wounds just as big with the .50 AE and .440 Cor-bon DEs. The most powerful production handgun caliber, the .500 S&W, was designed for the double-action X-frame revolvers, though it's since been chambered in some single-action guns like the Magnum Research BFR.

You know, according to the BATF the Maddi-Griffin kits can be "readily converted" to fully automatic fire. The trolls of the world need .50 BMG machine pistols.

plus, i've always envisioned the streetline as an automatic (or, well, a clip-fed weapon) anyway.

Streetlines may be clip feed but they are also a very small gun,

I'd imagine it be expensive to make a gun that small semi-auto. Remember these things are also made mostly out of plastic.
The Streelines are meant to be CHEAP weapons, used by the bottom rung. Its the kinda thing shadowrunners laugh at when a team of gangers goes up againts there team.

I tend to agree about the overall sillyness of some of the equipment. Whenever I look at half of their semi-auto pistol sketches, and notice that there isn't really any slide to speak of(most of them look like one solid peice), I begin to wonder if the person who made the sketch has any idea how semi-auto pistols work.

Of course he hasn't seen one they are so darn tiny.

It's a game, give it a rest like it makes a huge difference. As for the art question, just look at the Sakura Fubuki. I rest my case, obviously the artists don't know how actual guns work, not that it really makes a difference. If you have a problem with a gun being SS that you think should be SA, guess what? Change the rules. Thats rule number 1 of being a GM, if you don't like something, change it.

The guy who drew the Sakura Fubuki actually knew how it works at least as well, possibly better than the guys who made the rules for it. The bulk of it is ridiculous, of course, but that's just how all guns in SR are for purely stylistic reasons.

If you're going to have repeating firearm feeding from a detachable box magazine, making it a manual slide action instead of a simple blowback semi-automatic will only save you a few bucks, which doesn't come close to excusing the huge hit in usefulness. With a weapon that small you will have to empty it into the target really fast, so that you still have time to run away and hide while the target bleeds to death.

You people knocking the Sakura Fubuki look do realize its an electronic gun with no moving parts right?
That is uses a system to firing bullets more in common with a rail gun then a pistol.
Ever heard of the real weapon system metal storm.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Storm

The Sakura Fubuki is obviously inspired by the metal and looks far more realistic then many of the things metal storm had produced.

So why do you expect a weapon that doesn't actually exist, uses a system that isn't out of development. To look realistic.

here we go again...

Did you read the article you linked? The only thing it has in common with a rail gun is that there's some electricity moving about in the gun around the time it fires.

Do a search for threads on the Sakura Fubuki on this forum and read through a few of the longer ones. No point me going through that stuff again.

ah sorry but someone brought up the Sakura, I didn't mean to open up a can of worms from before my time here.

My point was the type of gun doesn't really exist not the exact model.
You can mock the Aries Predator or various other firearms in shadowrun because they are at least based off of real life weapons. Your little &&)(*^ sarcastic attitude doesn't help anything or contribute in anyway.

Sakura Fubuki not based on a real life weapon? Weird.

I had remembered something about Metal Storm, but was too hazy to be sure if it was a real article or something from a Sci-Fi book.

The only question that I have about his weapon systems, is how do you reload? easier or harder or the same as main stream weapons?

Break it open swinging the rear ends of the barrel stack up or to the side, remove the barrels, drop in new ones, close it.

Definitely more difficult than with a conventional semi-automatic pistol, a bit quicker than a revolver without a speedloader.