OK, so I'm probably going to need a bevy of drunken mugging victims in my next session.

Rather than taxing my own personal creativity to make a lot of varying victims, I thought I'd see what the dumpshock community can turn up!


So here's the deal. Jace is staking out a few bars, hoping to catch someone staggering out afterwards, mug them, and take their stuff. He's sticking to the seedier parts of the Downtown area, hiding in alleys near bars, and jumping 'em as he can.

What I'd like from you guys is nothing more than a well-made mugging victim.

Stats, equipment, and state of innebriation - along with any other details you'd like to throw in there. Make as many victims as you like.

If I like 'em, I'll pull 'em in to get mugged, then post the story of how it went down.


So - what've you got?

Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny.

OK, thank you, but that is not a mugging victim. That is a pithy statement.

Please only post Mugging victims. Thanks!

Well I wanted to post more, but I didn't have time. Here's my issue:

There's this common theory that someone or a group of DSF users believe that goes something like why would anyone ever run shadows for less than 5000 per day when you can just be a idiot thug and spend every day boosting cars and make more money.

If you're going to let your players become a common criminal than you're degrading shadowrun to something less than I believe it should be.

In a case like the one you're in if my players decide to start mugging people or boosting cars than something bad would happen to them. After all that bar he's waiting outside of is paying protection money to the local gang/mob/yak/triad/seopula ring/lone star like corp/etc. You're mugger PC is making them look bad.

Please, for the sake of your game, make something better up. Even if it is far fetched you preserve the integrity of the fantasy that is SR if you prevent that kind of abuse.

Soory for the rant. Keep in mind it's jusy my 0.02

Not much to say, really. Mugging's kind of a dead-end in Shadowrun, since no one has cash and a Commlink just touches on bank info, rather than carry actual credit inside. You could take someone's *shoes* I guess, but, really, there's nothing to take.

There's a reason that robberies are actually *down* in Shadowrun ... all they can do is swipe stuff from the shelf, since the cash register's quite empty.

You player's character has Contacts (even if a Fixer is not among them). Instead of having to see this character stoop to this type of degradation, one of them might call him (maybe even at the very last minute) and offer him a loan, or a job, or set him up with a friend-of-a-friend. Maybe a rival gang seeks him out for a plan all their own, and is willing to outfit him in exchange (the Ancients come to mind ... they dislike the Halloweeners, and could always use a deniable asset ).

If you do insist on playing the mugging thing out, make sure the character knows that his reputation should take a big hit, and he will be a long time living it down.

Again, if you want to use a few 'muggables', there really is no need to flesh them out with complete stats. Just pick a couple of the Contacts (or even grab stats from low-level posted characters right here on Dumpshock), and fill in the gaps according to what you think they should have. Really, it should take a whole 30 seconds per person.

Guys. I'm not asking for your opinions on mugging.

Frankly, I really don't care.


I just thought it'd be fun to get some help making mugging victims. Nowhere in the above did I ask for your rant. Nowhere did I ask for someone to clutter this thread with opinions and arguements.

I just asked for people who are interested to post their idea of a fun mugging victim.

If you don't want to participate, don't. But please don't hijack the thread. Quite frankly, it's rude.

A sammie shouldn't have trouble mugging a drunk person, other than the occasional ringer. For most, the stats for a humanis goon would be a good enough fit (and maybe the humanis lieutenant for slightly tougher targets like dock workers or headbangers) - and give them, say, +1 to all thresholds, -1 reaction, and 2 points of pain resistance for being drunk. I agree that his Notoriety should be affected by this - both getting robbed by gangers, and resorting to mugging to get enough scratch for some replacement gear. The real challenge will be in things like watching out for witnesses, fencing the loot, etc. Here is one quickie from me, not quite a challenge for a street sam, but slightly more than he seems:


=Description=
An adolescent troll staggers out of a nightclub, taking a right turn in your direction as two of his equally wobbly friends wave to him and walk left in the opposite direction. He has a bristly mohawk, several tattoos in a flourescent ink that has become recently popular, and is dressed in typical street punk denim and synthleather. He is wearing trodes, and his head seems to be bobbing to some kind of music. No visible weapons, although he could be packing under his leather jacket. Overall, he looks like a fairly typical club kid or ganger poser.

=Attributes=
Body: 6
Agility: 2
Reaction: 2
Strength: 5 (7)
Charisma: 1
Intuition: 2
Logic: 1
Willpower: 2 (4)
Edge: 1

Essence: 6
Initiative: 4
Initiative Passes: 1
Physical Damage Track: 11
Stun Track: 9

=Skills=
Dodge: 1
Intimidation: 1
Perception: 1
Unarmed Combat: 2

=Gear=
Leather jacket (2/2), Metalink Commlink with Vector Xim OS, trodes, a simlink modified for BTL and Hot Sim, a playlist of troll speed metal songs, several porno sims that are riddled with adware, and a virtual girlfriend, a vacuous and improbably proportioned elf; a certified credstick with 200 Nuyen, and 2 more doses of Nitro.

=Notes=
Whoops, this youngster isn't drunk, but hopped up on Nitro (a perception test, threshold of 2, might reveal this IF he observes the troll for a bit before attacking). In addition to the stats in parentheses, he also has +2 perception and 6 points of Pain Resistance. His heavy gloves add an additonal +1 to his damage, although it will still be stun.

Vlad "Dracula" Tepes
AKA: The Son of the Dragon
AKA: The Son of the Devil
AKA: Vlad "The Impaler"
Former Crown Prince of Romania
Former King of Romania

Body 5
Agility 7
Reaction 7
Strength 5
Charisma 7
Intuition 6
Logic 5
Willpower 6
Edge 3
Essence 9
Magic 8
Initiative 9
IP 3

Skills
Infiltration 5, Perception 5, Shadowing 6, Disguise 4, Unarmed Combat 5, Blades 5, Clubs 4, Con (Seduction) 5 (+2), Etiquette 6, Leadership 6, Negotiation 5, Tracking 5, Navigation 4, Survival 3, Counterspelling 7, Spellcasting 6, Ritual Spellcasting 6, Conjuring Skill Group 6, Firearms Skill Group 4, Athletics Skill Group 3, Dodge 5, Assensing 6, Astral Combat 6, Escape Artist 4, Arcana 5

Knowledge Skills
Impalement 6, Wines 4, Romanian History 5, Thaumaturgy 5, Vampire Politics 6, Strategy 5, Piano 4, Battleship 5.

Powers
Enhanced Senses (Hearing, Smell, Thermographic Vision), Essence Drain, Immunity (Age, Pathogens, Toxins), Infection, Mist Form, Natural Weapon (Bite: DV 2P, AP 0, –1 Reach), Regeneration, Sapience.

Weaknesses
Allergy (Sunlight, Moderate), Allergy (Wood, Severe), Dietary Requirement (Blood), Essence Loss, Induced Dormancy (Lack of Air)

Qualities
Magician (Hermetic)
Mentor Spirit (Dark King)
Animal Empathy
Focused Concentration 2

Spells
Manabolt, Manaball, Powerbolt, Powerball, Fireball, Levitation, Critter Form (Bat), Critter Form (Rat), Critter Form (Wolf), Detect Life, Detect Blood, Detect Magic, Detect Enemies, Combat Sense, Mind Link, Mind Probe, Armor, Heal, Oxygenate, Stabilize, Chaos, Chaotic World, Trid Phantasm, Physical Mask, Control Actions, Mob Control, Control Emotions, Mob Mood, Control Thoughts, Mob Mind, Influence, Orgy, Agony, Mass Agony, Eyes of the Pack, Control Pack, Improved Invisibility, Stealth, Bugs, Swarm, Offensive Mana Barrier, Turn to Goo, Dream, Diagnose

Grade 6

Metamagics
Masking; Sacrificing; Blood Spirit Invoking; Psychometry; Quickening; Geomancy; Shielding

Equipment
Tres Chic Armored Clothing, Ring bearing his family crest, Fairlight Caliban with Novatech Navi, AR sunglasses, AR glove 5000 certified cred, Force 4 Power Focus, Force 4 Counterspelling (Combat) Focus, Force 4 Counterspelling (detection) Focus, Mitsubishi Nightsky (driven by a chauffeur)

Intoxication Level:
Falling down drunk (Willpower (2) extended test to stand upright; -8 modifier to all other tasks); Cannot walk more than a few feet under his own power; Will remember nothing in the morning but will be pissed off if his ring is missing.

Description:
A pallid man in clothes that are far too expensive for this side of town, much less this establishment, has been downing shots like it was the end of the world for the past several hours. He must have some sort of toxin filter because the amount of alcohol he has consumed would have killed Lord Torgo by now. As he stumbles out of the bar, disoriented and unable to keep his footing, you notice a giant jewel-encrusted ring on his left hand. If that piece of bling is real it must be worth more than your life.

Perception Test (Threshold 3) or (Threshold 0 if the PC examines his mouth in detail) The man has the tell-tale elongated canines that are indicative of vampirism.

A Eastern European Heraldry (1), Romanian History (2) or Vampire Lore (3) test would reveal that the ring contains the rest of the Tepes family

The Comlink, if the PC examines it, contains several fake SINs all registered under variations of the traditional aliases of Dracula (ie. Lucard Christian, Alucard Tepes, Vlad Alucard).

Nothing should happen to the PC unless he takes the ring. If he does Dracula will want it back.

You really might just want to cut your player some slack, and after he's suffered a bit eh actually fines one of the ganger's who took his gear. Who happends to be wearing it all. I'd easily see the ganger leader taking all the stuff Jace lost for himself.

Screw the bickering, let's pay attention to Hyzmarca's mugging target.

Best. Bad. Plot. Ever.

Topic drift and odd discusions are often what we get out of it. We can't branch off another thread every time someone says something interesting. But often it's a positive thing because the meta-threads keep the main thread near the top, being read and commented on. A single, very focused thread can peter out and die quite quickly. To be honest, if it were kept very on the topic, a narrow thread like this, will get you four of five responses at best and then sink into the bottom of Dumpshock and never be seen again.

Topic drift has two positives. One, it sustains the thread so you continue to get the odd useful response. Two, for subjects that have quite a limited lifespan, such as this, the thread can move on from this start and evolve into an enjoyable free for all and conversation space which is what many of us like. It stirs the creativity.

I say, go with the flow, and just sift the gold that you want from amongst it all.

Now, to back up my words, here's some mugging victims. I'm not bothering to post stats unless necessary as this is too much work. But I'm doing a rough description and a response to the mugging. Adjust as needed.

Ralph Hill
Description: A short man, with thin red hair and thin frame. He looks down, lists very slightly as he walks. He wears a simple suit so he's probably some low-pay shop or office clerk, stopped off on his way home.

Reaction to mugging: As you point the knife at him, his expression, after a mild surprise, settles back into a bleak despair. He reaches into his jacket and pulls out a cred-stick. It's plain white with a single black band around the end - certified for up to 50 . He tosses it to you in resignation and then walks off.

Notes: This is all he has on him. He knows how it works.

Robert Lee
Description: A young chinese orc walks out of the bar. He wreaks of synthahol and is having a slurring conversation in cantonese on his commlink. He bumps into a couple of people as he leaves the bar and curses them loudly before staggering on. His clothes are fairly this-minute, though dishevelled.

Reaction to mugging: Screams of "Do you know who I am?" "My uncle will cut your balls off and make you eat them." Use stats for ganger, modified for orc. Will fight depending on manner of mugging and chances of putting up a fight. Is a minor nephew of a local triad gangster. May be repurcussions. Has no uncertified cash on him (so would have to authorised a cred-transfer to be robbed of money), but has goods worth a few hundred nuyen, including the all important comm-link.

Will Loman
Description: A middle aged man with thinning hair comes from the bar. He doesn't look incredibly drunk, but he also looks like not much of a fighter and is carrying a briefcase. As he starts to walk past you, he pays you no mind at all.

Reaction to mugging: The man begins to sob, paying your knife no mind at all. He sinks to the ground and (if the player doesn't stop him), grabs the player's legs and weeps on his knees. "I don't have anything. I don't have anything. I don't have anything. My wife has cancer. Cancer! She's dying and I can't even buy her painkillers. She's too ill to even move now. She just lies there and shivers and I can't even buy her the morphine for her final days. I already sold tamanous a kidney. And the money's gone. It's gone. And all I do all day and all night, is trudge around trying to sell these crappy toys. He strikes his briefcase with as much hatred as his thin arms can manage. It springs open spilling little pink hippos and puppies that yip out various phrases. "I think," begins a happy hippo, "today is going to be a wonderful day." On the ground, the salesman sobs "Janine, oh Janine, I'm sorry."

Notes: The hippos are 10 each if the player can be guilt tripped into buy one. Puppies are 12

Hahaha. Mugging Willy Loman.

Seriously,though, Maddog, I adlib the stats of things like random mugging victims which aren't plot-critical. It's more important to deal with their reactions, how they're going to try to get back at you, and what might happen next than their game stats in a fight totally stacked against them.

Methinks that after a session of petty crime and being the lowerst of the low, it might be the time for your "runner" to be contacted by someone who knows he's on the thin threads right now, with basically nothing to lose, but that suits him just fine.

Any shadowrunner can get you deniability, but a Shadowrunner you *own*... He knows that without you he's back to being a mugging random street-folk (who may or may not be Transylvanians)...

Jobs, money, success, equipment, climbing the ladder, moral ambiguity, realising he's in too deep, trying to figure out how the hell to get out with his skin... Awesomly epic campaign right there, and you won't have these gimps here on DS screwing you around so much after that.

Knock off the attacks. Stick to the topic. Thanks.

There is a marked difference between giving a view on the subject, and telling them what kind of personal hygiene issues they should be focusing on.

A valid contribution is always welcome, even if it takes an opposing viewpoint. Attacking another forum member is not.

Mugging Victim: Joe Burnout

Joe Burnout doesn't need stats because he's an old, crusty samurai, with implants dating back to the early 40's. He may be a crusty old drunk, with more stories than anyone ever cares to hear, but those dikoted spurs are still sharp as shit. And if you had time to do more homework than the few moments of sizing-up before a mugging, you might note that he won the 2042 South Asia free-style Bare-Knuckle boxing title by default, after impaling his opponent on a stop-sign three days prior to their fight.

Your would-be mugger will eventually wake up in an emergency clinic, courtesy of a Good Samaritan, after getting himself royally fragged. The good Samaritan will have the bill payed, naturally, and will place the character into personal debt.

This plot hook will allow the game to turn back towards Shadowrun as he works off his debt to the mysterious-later-to-be-fleshed-out NPC, and stops trying to mug people on the off-chance that they have certified credsticks or some sweet ass shoes.

Knasser--I don't think the admin post was directed at you, so much as the folks above who made personal attacks on the original poster...It just fell right behind yours...

Hyzmarca--Any languages we should worry about for Vlad, or just apply what fits? I love the write-up, though how do we deal with the problem of escalation?

Billy "Bull" Robertson.

Billy stands 6'5, and weighs probably 300 lbs. Billy has heard of those pieces of technotrash called "Comm links" and wants nothing of them. Billy goes in for good ol' certified sticks, make no mistake.

Billy also goes in for drinking. A lot. So when Billy stumbles out of a bar at 2:30 at night, he's usually pretty far gone. And he usually ends up waving his credsticks about shouting "schome on, man. I'll giya a gol' stick fer two more drinks!"

Sadly, Billy has a live feed from his cybereyes to his dad's corp squad, who make sure no one messes with Billy. They may have a conversation with any would be muggers about why it's a good idea to leave people alone....

Relevant stats:

B: 5
S: 4
A: 2
R: 2
I: 2
L: 2
C: 4
W: 2

Edge: 4

Unarmed (Brawling): 2
Con: 2
Negotiate (Seduction): 1

ROFL @ will loman... anything to make the mugger PC feel like an ass. If my character mugged those three, he'd probably go home and shoot himself.

I just wish hyz would post up the SR3 version, maybe in a spoiler...

I think the idea that someone sees him mugging, or finds him after mugging someone, or rescues him, etc, would be a great one.

Even if someone burned out old sam saw him rolling drunks, and pulled him aside.

"Son, I been down that road. It don't go nowhere you want to be. You got a fixer, boy? A Johnson? A Willie?" *wheezes laughter* "Nah, never mind that. You gotta get yerself some friends. Look, I know a guy, okay, he wants a young kid, nothin' ta lose, to do a job. You up for it?"

LOL, you had a rough post.

Mugging Victims:

That corp suit middle manager or youung upstart who is cheating on his wife with her best friend. Both 75 to 80% wasted horny and on a tight time schedule to get drunk and their grove on. (this also has the potential to turn into a blackmail contact). Assume between the two of them neither is armed. They only went to this bar because there sluming, Rich people are sometimes stupid so between them I would say 300 to 550 . As far as gear comlink, creadstick, maybe a breifcase for the man, one of those big as purses for ladies with som assorted makeup, a change of clothes (they are having an affair), maybe a light pistol (girls tend to be more careful and paranoid).

Second mugging victim: The guy who lost his job (when it rains it pours). No money so drunk he could pass out. If your PC tries to jack him have him vomit on him ASAP. No money and you can smell the boose a mile away.

Third: The crazy homeless drunk (self explanitory)

Fourth: The late night working Lawyer (who could turn into a contact) who just closed a good case and spent a night out to A. Brag to his buddies and B. rub it in to all of his buddies. He deserves to get robbed because he's an arogant SOB on top of the world and a mugging should bring him down a peg or 2.

Overall they should be human, elf, or dwarf since they get the good slice of life most of the time in SR.

Darla Marks-Chong

A thin, middle aged woman who's going home alone tonight.
She may not have custody of her children, but she remembers their birthdays. Too often, however, alcohol gets in the way. In her purse is a certified credstick for 20:nuyen: attached to her daughter's birthday card. It has yet to be signed.

Darla is pretty inebriated, but the night air and fear will start sobering her after a couple blocks and she'll begin to cry.
In her hand is a container of pepper spray which she will use reflexively if she gets panicked. If unhurt and given the chance to think, she'll manually trigger a panic button on her commlink and start running. The panic button triggers an audible whooping noise and alerts AR users in the area that she's being attacked. Other pedestrians will take notice but do nothing aside from clearing the area. Lone Star will not respond. If injured in any way, she will submit completely.

Here's a bunch of push over character to mug

http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=13863

Dammit hyz, why don't you just rub in the fact that I don't have a game/group right now?

knasser! Pure genius! Willy Loman no less! Bravo man! Bravo!

Although I don't know the willy loman reference, I agree wholeheartedly

From the classic piece of literature, Death of a Salesman, by Arthur Miller.

Some sweet ideas here.

One of the cool things about a community like this (IMHO) is that collectively it can be a LOT more creative than one individual - thus leading to some reallly unique and interesting ideas.


My sincere apologies to anyone who I offended in my last comment. I must confess I was hacked off that people were more interested in preaching at me about the untenable nature of what I was asking, than in helping brainstorm some fun ideas.


And forgive me if I misunderstand the nature of these fora, I'm more used to fora where things are a little more closely moderated, and where thread drift is actively combatted in "on topic" threads.

Again, my apologies to those I've offended.



Let me also be quick to say that I'm DEFINITELY wanting to keep this mugging stint short.

At the same time, Jace's player is really struggling to get into a criminal mindset (and IMHO, Shadowrunning is STILL criminal activity, last I checked), and this is the first idea he came up with it. I'd rather let him roll with it and use it as a plot-device and learning tool than smack him in the nose for giving it a go. Heck, I already did that once to him by having HIM get mugged and lose most of his goodies.


I'm a big fan of Willy Loman also, and definitely the old-saw with the contact. I'm likely to use several of these, actually. And it beats just stamping out "HUMANIS GOON" copies until he finally decides he's bored with it.


Dunno about the Vampire King - as ironic as it'd be, it'd essentially be damning him (pun intended) to being on the bad side of someone more powerful than he could ever be.


I'm also a big fan of the corporate set, affair-goers and lawyer both. It'll be interesting to see if he can switch modes on the fly or not.


One thought I had that I haven't fleshed out much is that of a bar-musician, leaving after his gig. Carrying a guitar case. He'd be Aztlan-decent, dressed in black.....yeah, like I said, sometimes OTHER people have better ideas.


Anyhow, thanks. If I come up with a REAL contribution, I'll be sure to post it.

For MadDogMaddux, I'm curious how you mean when you state that the player is having trouble getting into the criminal mindset. Is it that he doesn't understand crime in general or is it that he'd rather be "The good guy" and not be a crook? If teh former, well, print out a few good threads frmo here and let him read. if the latter, maybe you could try giving him some "Hooding" missions? Things like having teh Ork Underground ask for help, trying to figure out why some of their fringers are vanishing and, more importantly, find out who's taking them and why? (IE, EvilCorp is running biological experiments and needs cheap test bodies.)

Hooding campaigns can be *very* nice.

Test his mettle. Give many of the victims physical descriptions and backgrounds that closely match his friends and family. Particularly the more vulnerable ones. Make sure he hears in the news later how he's ruined their lives. See if you can get him to squirm a little.

How do you go from mugging the Vampire King to having him as a contact?

Since Vlad isnt really worried about someone besting him, short of a dragon, he might be slightly amused. He will probably be slightly annoyed as well, and give the runner the option of doing a task that Vlad needs done but is below his station or having his spleen ripped out where he stands.

If the runner performs the tast well enough, Vlad will appear at the runners home, where ever it might be, and tell the runner that he was mildly impressed that such a person was able to perform the task that well. (the runner is inferior to Vlad after all)
He then gets a 6/0 contact that doesnt do anything but give the runner a matrix drop box number. The runner has to send a message to the box, and Vlad might answer it within a week.