adamu
Aug 7 2006, 11:56 PM
Etiquette to seem relaxed and confident in this tough-guy dive. I was going to subtract two dice for improper clothes, but the comment you made IC about the people here being used to biz going down prompted me to give myself the benefit of the doubt. All my rolls are in the order I rolled them, left to right, so of course feel free to add or subtract modifiers from the right.
Charisma + Etiquette = 9 dice
2 2 1 3 2 1 3 5 2 = 1 success
Blitz
Aug 8 2006, 01:48 AM
You all need to get better dice

You're cool enough to pass muster...you think.
Abbandon
Aug 8 2006, 08:03 PM
Bahaha. I am having alot of fun reading people's response to my chick. I hope once the bullets start flying she will start getting some respect. You would think with magic and cybertechnology people wouldnt judge others by appearence as quickly. I guess it can be a good thing to be underestimated.
JackRipper
Aug 8 2006, 10:15 PM
Perception test
Intuition +Perception+Vision Enhance -2 Distract= 7 dice
3,2,3,5,3,5,6 =3 hits
Notes: general scope of the area, exits, numbers of people, security devices.
JackRipper
Aug 8 2006, 10:29 PM
Blitz i edited my earlier post so that it jives more with the flow, rather than post again (out of sequence). It's nothing major just me getting to the table.
Buddha72
Aug 8 2006, 10:29 PM
You have got to be joking?!
I assumed you wanted that response from the way she was dressed. I don't know very many cultures that hold a high regard for tarts.

But I think if she can pull her weight everyone will overlook her appearance. We all are shadowrunners for one reaon or another and a open dresscode is a good selling point for this form of self-employment.
Blitz
Aug 8 2006, 10:58 PM
Ok guys, dont hate me, but Im gonna leave it here before getting to into your first task. Im leaving for Gencon shortly (have a terrible red-eye flight) and need to take a nap, then pack and get outta here so I wont be posting again for a bit.
I should return on next Monday. Give me a day to rest from the trip and expect a bump on Tuesday. If you're coming to GenCon, find me and say hi

(I go by Blue everywhere but here

)
JackRipper
Aug 15 2006, 09:35 PM
I did a Intuition + Yakuza establishments and got only one hit, so unless I'm out of bounds Blitz, i figured he'd know that he works around the Yak's "Girls" but didnt score high enough to know he's just muscle. So i went with the most obvious thing Johnny'd think, that the big guy is a street pimp. Again, if you think that's way off let me know.
Buddha72
Aug 15 2006, 11:51 PM
Well she said bump on Tuesday so hopefully we'll see one soon.
Blitz
Aug 16 2006, 07:45 PM
Alrighty folks...Im back and while still wiped out, will post here shortly. Stay tuned
Abbandon
Aug 16 2006, 11:17 PM
Welcome back Blitz. Hope you had fun.
-the johnson is gonna give us toys and we only have to reimburse her if we "use" them? Did you mean we only have to reimburse you for stuff we keep or lose? Or literally use, as in now the guns we killed all those corp guys with are now dirty?
-is her opening done now and can we ask questions or was that just a teaser until the next post.
Blitz
Aug 17 2006, 01:20 AM
She's currently waiting for everyone to acknowledge the terms as acceptable before moving forward.
The reimbursment means that she will help you obtain any gear you need, and if you use the gear directly in completing the mission, you will be reimbursed the cost of the item.
Blitz
Aug 17 2006, 07:54 PM
And here are your images
Large OverviewClose Overview*edit note: Somehow I can't seem to get these images to show full size. If anyone wants a full copy for planning purposes, let me know and I'll email them.
Abbandon
Aug 17 2006, 11:21 PM
@ my team mates.
I already have some idea's on tactical things some of you could be doing in game terms. Im not sure if i should just blert them out here or if whoever is planning on being the leader would feel like i am stepping on their toes and taking away from their position. They might feel like i solved the problem for them or something.
On the other hand i dont wanna be sitting here for days on end waiting for others to bring stuff up.
So I would like to know if anyone would object to me just listing my suggestions.
adamu
Aug 18 2006, 12:47 AM
Abbandon - by all means - I am sure all of us welcome all suggestions from any quarter, especially ooc.
Personally, I feel planning sessions go MUCH faster OOC, and then we can post the highlights of our powwow IC. Personally.
Blitz - would be delighted to have full-size images. I can't figure out the fancy anti-spam way of doing this, but I'm not real worried about it...
adamur2003@yahoo.com
Abbandon
Aug 18 2006, 04:10 AM
@Blitz I was trying to say IC that Die would rather get any equipment she might need herself rather than through the johnson because of the possability of the stuff being tagged with RFID's.
How anal are you going to be about forensics. Do we have to wear body condoms and ski masks or can we not reasonably worry about that stuff and only worry about immedeate reprisals.
Team suggestions(open to all):
[ Spoiler ]
-We should probably scope out the building in Renton to see what the employee's wear so we can try to make some fake uniforms. Unless mack's info includes those kinda shots. At the very least we should double check.
-Fenris, it would be great if you could get images of Mack and the vehichle she leaves in by hacking camera's or any other means.
-We need some anti wi-fi paint to kill any bugs or tracking measures the package might have.
Blitz
Aug 18 2006, 05:06 AM
That's a fine line you'll have to walk at your own risk. She's offering you an option for gear aquisition. If you are paranoid enough not to trust her source, then by all means, track down your own gear. She not paying for it though.
Im not going to tell you that you'll never have to worry about what forensics you leave behind. You wont always have CSI breathing down your necks, but if you do something high profile enough, who's to say what sort of investigating team will be looking at whatever you leave behind.
Fenris
Aug 18 2006, 05:31 AM
Abbandon - Don't let me turn you off to giving suggestions, cause that's always good. However, I am curious as to what point getting pics of Mack and her vehicle serves?
Abbandon
Aug 18 2006, 08:49 AM
[ Spoiler ]
Somebody is forming a team of runners to run missions. Runners are expendable. If things get sideways our nice johnson may try to take us out to eliminate the link between whoever she works for and us. If that happens its nice to be able to have things to work with. If we can track down our johnson and who she works for then that might provide us with just enough information to stay alive.
adamu
Aug 18 2006, 09:12 AM
Blitz, thank you so much for the pix. You thus doom yourself to future annoying questions about them.
For now, however, I worked up a 2067 calendar, which shows the 15th as a Tuesday. Can you confirm that for our game?
JackRipper
Aug 18 2006, 01:53 PM
A jammer will block out any tags(location bugs) as long as it is as powerful or more powerful than the tag itself. (Your resident master of the larcenous arts, has just that gear...hopes anyways) That's also why i asked if it needed to stay in the crate/container, because a tag is most likely on that and not the item itself. (per normal shipping regs)[From the now outdated Underworld Soursebook page 17 in a add on passage by Rider Belle]
That being said, a proper thief would use the warehouse computer to locate the most lucrative loot (our cover for the computer being used, as well as a good way to find the high yen items)
Blitz
Aug 18 2006, 03:41 PM
Correct Adam.
Abbandon
Aug 18 2006, 06:49 PM
Well my girly is ready to get on with the negotiations which i dont plan on doing, but i'll wait for other players to catch up? I think the rest of you guys should check in and say if your ready to move on.
Blitz. What day does the package arrive exactly? What time? Will it arrive with a security force? What kind of defenses does the building have(camera's, razorwire fences, paranormal beasts)?? Any other boring info you wanna give us ooc that a standard recon of the area would provide? What kind of police presense is there around that warehouse?
I dont think you ever confirmed that you are indeed this johnson named Mack to the runners although it looks like one of us already knows you.
Blitz
Aug 18 2006, 07:02 PM
Abbandon, you'll have to actually roleplay any recon you wish to do. This isn't a strategy game, it's a role playing game. The fun is in the journey and all the fun steps in between.
JackRipper
Aug 18 2006, 09:00 PM
Johnny will volunteer for that, as it is in his line to case out places.
Once we begin planning, survellience Johnny has a place to pick up equipment cheap...or cheap equipment lol. We can rp that out when we get to that point, dont worry Blitz it's a canon resource.
adamu
Aug 18 2006, 11:10 PM
Well, I agree with Abbandon that we are ready to move on to the final and all-important money stage. Looks like Buddha agrees as well....
Standing by....
Fenris
Aug 19 2006, 05:57 PM
[ Spoiler ]
Just to clarify, Abbandon, I think Mac is the one putting together the group, not someone above her.
adamu
Aug 20 2006, 11:11 PM
Die rolls and stuff - where they are supposed to be, by golly! (Abbandon is the man.)
[ Spoiler ]
Okay, hopefully won't put the other team members off with all this business-school-type talk, but as I heard Mac is ex-corp, wanted to establish that I can deal with her with a corporate level of professionalism, a realistic sense of the bottom line. To that end, I will roll corp et
Charisma + etiquette + corp spec = 11 dice
3 4 1 1 4 6 3 6 5 2 3 = 3 successes
More importantly - I watch her face, body language, hands as closely as I can at the moment I suggest that less than 50% front pay increases the temptation to double-cross us - looking for her reaction to such a concept
Judge intentions
Charisma + Intuition = 10 dice
5 1 1 5 4 4 6 1 5 2 = 4 initial successes
rerolling 6 failures with edge
5 3 5 1 3 1 = 6 total successes
Negotiation just for the half up front point
Charisma + Negotiation + Bargaining =13 dice
4 4 5 5 5 6 4 1 1 1 6 1 6 = 6 successes
Of course slash and burn off the right-hand end if there are heinous penalties (or add some rolls if there are bonuses). I didn't venture to judge modifiers myself - there are just so many variables in social situations.
If you need any other or different rolls, just let me know.
Abbandon
Aug 21 2006, 07:39 AM
*slaps adamu on the hands with a ruler* Repeat after me:
[ Spoiler ]
copy = control + c, paste = control + v. copy = control + c, paste = control + v. copy = control + c, paste = control + v. copy = control + c, paste = control + v. copy = control + c, paste = control + v. copy = control + c, paste = control + v.
Can i try to gauge the johnson to while Adamu/Tad is speaking with her?
Charisma 6 + intuition 4 + Kinesics 2(4) = 14 dice??
2,6,6,4,2,2,1,3,1,3,2,1,5,3 = 3 hits
Kinesics says you get +2 for all social tests and i think an additional +2 for gauge speech so thats +4?.
Blitz
Aug 21 2006, 06:00 PM
Adamu: You dont get any indication that she plans to doublecross you or that she is being anything less than guardedly truthful. You do pick up what seems to be mild irritation whenever you use obvious corp buzzwords. You get a very vague sense of her contempt for the corp language despite her own very corp demeanor. As far as the negotiations goes, you are fairly confident you've just pushed her up to her budget ceiling.
Abbandon, what is it you are trying to gauge?
Abbandon
Aug 21 2006, 07:09 PM
The same thing adamu was gauging.
Blitz
Aug 21 2006, 07:25 PM
Abbandon. You find the elf woman is very hard to read. So much you almost expect her to have a hobby playing poker on the side. The kind of hobby she typically wins. There is a brief moment during you Tad's face off with her that you catch a hint of irritation, but it's gone so quickly, you wonder if you even saw what you think you saw.
Buddha72
Aug 21 2006, 08:17 PM
Intuition + Assensing (7)
02 04 05 05 05 05 06 (5 hits)
Table for results is on pg. 183 in SR4 main book.
Blitz
Aug 21 2006, 08:33 PM
Astral rapeage commencing

Mack is healthy, but seems to be recovering from a series of gunshots to her torso, your guess, within the past 6 months.
Her exact essence - ugh...haven't actually fully updated her to SR4 so Im going with a general guess of around 1 to 1.5. You have it, I just dont know it

Location of implants, many. She seems to have a system of wires running along her central nervous system as well as a healthy amount of modifications to her eyes, ears and head. It seems to be mostly bioware, but the balance seems to be a walking tightrope of bioware and cyberware just leaving enough behind for her to not be in danger of unnecessary stress or loss of humanity.
She has no force and is non magical.
Her general emotional impression is trepidation. She's worried that your group is too inexperienced to serve her needs and there's a touch of deseration that this whole deal needs to succeed. She's sure as hell hiding it well though.
JackRipper
Aug 21 2006, 10:02 PM
Eta Engineering Corp is in charge of Saniation
Shiawase Envirotech is in charge of Public works
-From Runners Haven page 68.
I'm under the impression Johnny would have this knowledge from past heists, but Blitz you have the final say on that info availability to him.
Blitz
Aug 21 2006, 10:29 PM
Sure...you did the legwork enough so I dont have to look it up, I'll let ya know it
JackRipper
Aug 21 2006, 10:46 PM
If the info Johnny has is kosher, most of the uniforms will be on the big side (meta's like trolls and orks, possibly dwarves too...the Eta part means untouchable in japanese [roughly] and it focuses on hiring meta's [I believe])
Blitz
Aug 21 2006, 10:49 PM
This is an area Mack doesn't have personal knowledge of, so she will not confirm or deny what you tell the group. If you ask her to get uniforms, she'll check her contacts and see what she can acquire
adamu
Aug 22 2006, 03:51 AM
Um, not forgetting about receiving initial payment, just politely leaving it to her. And with our comms jammed...well, mine's still open to receive funds if and when the jammer goes off.
Abbandon
Aug 22 2006, 08:27 AM
@team
So we plan on splitting an apartment for a team HQ? That would be around 333Y for 1 month. Or do we immedeately get that 20% discount on a group rate in which case it would be 266Y. Or do runners in the 70's just use a virtual HQ. We could make a grassy field with a giant tree in the middle on top of a small rolling hill with a tree house in the branches as our fort. As long as we dont use keywords about the mission there should be zero chances of being monitored except maybe by our johnson.
Fenris do you have any drones or anyone else? It would be sweet if we cruised around in a vehichle while we all watched drones on our gear.
@blitz
we can use satillites to zoom in on specific neighborhoods with google. I imagine in 2070 shadowrun people can zoom in on a specific neighborhood, at a specific time, and watch live video of that time. Maybe even make 3d images of it all.
I think that level of tech would be common knowledge to everyone as its probably used in the news every night or something. So should we be pretty cloak and dagger about our insertions and extractions in game? Like if we haul ass out of a factory in a white van are the bad guys just gonna be able to access some satelite footage and replay the time period and follow our van back to our hideout?? If so we will have to use overpass's and parking garages and lots of other tricks to ditch satelite imaging.
Blitz
Aug 22 2006, 10:15 AM
The technology is available today, it's not the tech curve that limits that sort of use to government agencies, it's the government themselves. That sort of data is too sensitive to be available to the Mainstream. You can certianly get satellite images of an area, but it's not real time and it's usually about 4 months behind real time.
adamu
Aug 22 2006, 02:26 PM
If it is helpful at all, SOTA 2064 has (SR3) rules on getting satellite access.
spudrocks
Aug 22 2006, 03:43 PM
The virtual hq would not work for Roc. He would more than likely get lost. Gremlins 3.
Blitz, I assume Roc would know who Ceasar is?
JackRipper
Aug 23 2006, 02:47 AM
Johnny is a bit of a traditionalist that prefers real life meets also...he does deal in actual physical merchandise, so sort of a neccessity. I will accept whatever you all think is best, but (isnt there always a but) Johnny isnt that keen on it.
Blitz
Aug 23 2006, 04:01 AM
Spud...roll Logic + yakuza
anyone else can do the same...Logic + any organized crime related knowledge skill
Fenris
Aug 23 2006, 07:20 AM
IC, I'd definitely vote for the VR headquarters.
OOC, since one of the characters is liable to cause serious malfunctions in any of the gear he comes in contact with, I'd rather go RL.
adamu
Aug 23 2006, 09:07 AM
I agree that non-virtual is the way to go on our first group meet. I am still hoping - both OOC and IC - that someone chimes in with an offer of transport and a safe place to go, even just for a place to huddle up and decide on some simple logistics. But if no one has that sort of set-up right now (understandable), I'd like to try and set something up quickly....
Blitz
[ Spoiler ]
Using the 1 success per 4 dice rule, I get two success thinking of a nearby, high-class hotel or restaurant that might have discreet conference rooms by the hour. I would then try to get on the phone and quickly arrange for a one-hour reservation to start within the next half-hour, for which I would be willing to pay Y200 (and if the going rate is more, I can always bargain them down!). If I can put this together with a simple call, I will put them on hold for just a couple of minutes to see if anyone offers a better solution. If not, I will be in a position to offer the use of the room, at which point I would reopen the line and make payment.
I can come up with details of the place or not, depending on your convenience.
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