emo samurai
Nov 24 2006, 10:14 PM
BlackHat, you playing?
BlackHat
Nov 24 2006, 10:50 PM
Oh, no, I never applied, but the title of the thread was interesting so I started reading the IC threads. If players start dropping off, I might be able to join in, but I've had my hands full for a while. Failed to get together characters on the last few recruitment threads .
Fortune
Nov 24 2006, 10:55 PM
You could always play in emo's other game ... Boy's Night Out? We could use another person or three, and you still have a bit of time for chargen.
bishop186
Nov 25 2006, 02:21 AM
Speaking of rolls; rolling at home and just posting the numbers here is acceptable, correct? Or would you rather I do the diceroller programs/websites?
Glyph
Nov 25 2006, 03:26 AM
QUOTE (BlackHat) |
Really cool first IC post. Wasn't sure how much of that everyone else knew ahead of time, but even considering the thread title it surprised me. Very creative. |
I kind of guessed the ghoul landlord part, since I've been following Emo's campaign thread, but the Knight Errant thing was a surprise. Nice, creative way to make getting the "rent" more challenging.
emo samurai
Nov 25 2006, 03:40 AM
Rolling at home's fine.
bishop186
Nov 25 2006, 06:29 AM
Alrighty. Here's my starting money:
[ Spoiler ]
4d6+2* x 100
(6+6+3+3+2) x 100 = 2,000 NuYen.
*+2 is from leftover starting money.
Fortune
Nov 25 2006, 08:51 AM
bishop186:
[ Spoiler ]
That +2 (I assume from 200¥ left at chargen) should actually be
+2 dice ... ie. 2-12. Technically you have a full 6d6 x 100¥ Starting Cash.
bishop186
Nov 25 2006, 09:00 AM
Fortune
[ Spoiler ]
Oh, I see. Thanks for the FYI. Either the wording in the BBB is vague, I just misread it, or it was in an errata I didn't see. Heh. Well then... -rolls the last two dice-
6+6+3+3+6+3 x 100 = 2,700 NuYen.
...lmao. 6s and 3s seem to be my forte lately.
Jaid
Nov 25 2006, 07:45 PM
Gremish, just thought i'd mention... the meeting with Tom is at 5:00.
i couldn't say offhand what time it is to start off, but i understant it to be morning. you've still got most of the day before you need to meet him

which means you've got time to walk around (just don't look like you're loitering) and hope you come across a likely looking prospect for a pound of human flesh

[edit] oh, and emo... since you never said not to buy a lifestyle, i had bought one... should we just ignore that crazy rule about "you can't buy a safehouse" and we'll assume that (since rent clearly takes another form for my main lifestyle, and is also clearly not even up to date let alone one month ahead) that the lifestyle i bought is a safehouse or something? [/edit]
Gremish
Nov 25 2006, 07:50 PM
Good call good call i read it and then forgot it, whoops! Thats fine though cause Trent didn't wake up till 4 pm and wanted to go up top to cover the ground before Tom got there incase there were any "surprises" Plus he has no intention of acually paying Tom off the bat. So not much point in searching for the flesh now anyway. I'll wait to post again for everyone else to catch up tot he time of day, IE whent he meeting acually happens =P

Safe way to cover my miss of the 5pm thing!
Fixed =P
Digital Heroin
Nov 25 2006, 08:56 PM
As I figured, Mexico was a bust for Internet, save for cafes. If I wanted to fork out nearly $40 a night more, I could have had a place with high speed in my room, but hells no. So tonight, rather than vegitate and surf as planned, it will be drunken debauchary time.
Go drunkeness.
Jaid
Nov 25 2006, 09:50 PM
ok, here goes with compiling a data sprite. i think i'll pull out all the stops (sorta) and go for rating 3:
My Roll (2 hits)
Sprite's Roll (3 hits)
....
i think i need to go have a chat with the folks at invisible castle and their loaded dice

that sprite just beat the crap out of me...
so, anyways, here's the first aid check from the medkit(6) + my logic(4) - a bunch of modifiers (total -6 by my count... )
First Aid (no hits)
ok then, so that was rather unexpected.
[edit]so then, here's the healing over time rolls:
3 hours (5 hits)
4th hour (5 hits)
if you need software rolls or anything for the drones searching, let me know, but he's not really doing anything serious. gotta rest, and i assume in depth coding is probably not the recommended way of resting

(if you feel just physical rest is sufficient, though, he will be doing his best to keep an eye on his drones from full VR as well as updating Janet to Melissa)
emo samurai
Nov 25 2006, 11:44 PM
Physical rest is fine.
Glyph
Nov 26 2006, 09:01 PM
Emo, two quick questions:
Like Jaid, I bought a lifestyle. How should I adjust this? Should I just assume it means she has been desperately looking for other lodgings, and will be ready to move once the "rent" thing has been taken care of? Or should I re-allocate the 6,000 that I spent on it (the quickest way would be to keep a build point instead of the 5,000 to get a specialization of Bike to her Pilot Ground Vehicle skill, then turn in the 1,000 for 500 extra starting nuyen)?
The other question - active skills are half price, but I suddenly realized that I spent my knowledge skill points normally. Are they half price too? If they are, I can re-do my knowledge skills a bit - here's what they would be if they are half price:
[ Spoiler ]
=Knowledge Skills=
Languages>
English: N
Japanese: 4
Spanish: 4
Sperethiel: 3
Other Knowledge Skills>
Arms Dealers: 3
Gang ID: 4
Gun Trivia: 3
Local Area Knowledge: 4
Safe Houses: 5
emo samurai
Nov 26 2006, 09:20 PM
Knowledge is half-price. Good thing I don't write rules professionally.
And lifestyle is implied. Sorry about the oversight. No need to buy one.
Glyph
Nov 26 2006, 09:22 PM
So I should do the bike specialization/starting money thing, then?
emo samurai
Nov 26 2006, 09:23 PM
Sure.
Fortune
Nov 26 2006, 11:29 PM
QUOTE (emo samurai) |
Knowledge is half-price. |
Knowledge Skills are half price after the free points from Intuition/Logic are spent ... ie. extra Knowledge Skills cost 1 BP instead of 2 ... correct?
Jaid
Nov 27 2006, 12:02 AM
hmmm... so now i need to think up a use for 2,000

hey emo, would it be possible to consider that the cost of non-rent related lifestyle costs (ie food, transportation, etc) plus having a guarded parking area/small workshop for my drones (ie, room enough to park the drones, plus probably room for each of the relevant toolkits)
alternately, i suppose i could invest in some more toolkits... don't have all of my B/R skills covered yet

[edit] also, i'm not entirely sure about the drones... just how visible are their weapons? if they're pretty obvious, i'd like to remove all references to my armed drones being put to use while KE is around

alternately, i could also invest my newfound not-totally-broke status in picking up licenses for the drone weaponry so that it's not suspicious (or, come to think of it, would a personal weapon license cover armed drones as well?)
anyways, since you never indicated one way or another whether the drones found a likely target, and it seems like the current thrust of the shadowrun is going towards "everyone is going to show up emptyhanded at the meeting unless they come up with a supergenious plot-derailer™ technique", i'll just assume he finds nothing (unsurprising, considering the place is crawling with KE) and move my post forward to the meeting. if any of this is wrong, please feel free to let me know. [/edit]
bishop186
Nov 27 2006, 12:14 AM
So we don't need a living expense? Could we say for about the cost of a low lifestyle we could get all the other expenses minus rent for a medium lifestyle (that is, 2k NuYen == medium lifestyle - rent) and that would give me another 3k NuYen to play around with? That is, pretty much what Jaid is saying, only taking it a different direction. ^^;;
I think I could buy a little more ammo and another gun for the 3k while still keeping my medium lifestyle's expenses minus rent.
Glyph
Nov 27 2006, 02:23 AM
QUOTE (Fortune) |
QUOTE (emo samurai @ Nov 27 2006, 08:20 AM) | Knowledge is half-price. |
Knowledge Skills are half price after the free points from Intuition/Logic are spent ... ie. extra Knowledge Skills cost 1 BP instead of 2 ... correct?
|
Well, if that's the way it is, then I guess I'll revert them back. But does anyone actually do that? Buy knowledge skills after the "free" points, I mean? Even the archetypes don't waste any of their precious BP's on knowledge skills!
Fortune
Nov 27 2006, 02:31 AM
I'm trying to figure out how the normal 'free' Knowledge BP costs could be halved. I mean, each point of Skill already only costs 1 (virtual) Point, as do Specializations. Is it your thinking that Knowledge Skills should actually be 2-for-1 ... as in I spend 1 (virtual) Point and get the Exotic Cooking Skill at 2? How would you halve the 1 (virtual) Point Specializations? Also 2-for-1?
Very messy!
Jaid
Nov 27 2006, 03:48 AM
QUOTE (Fortune) |
I'm trying to figure out how the normal 'free' Knowledge BP costs could be halved. I mean, each point of Skill already only costs 1 (virtual) Point, as do Specializations. Is it your thinking that Knowledge Skills should actually be 2-for-1 ... as in I spend 1 (virtual) Point and get the Exotic Cooking Skill at 2? How would you halve the 1 (virtual) Point Specializations? Also 2-for-1?
Very messy! |
you never know...
some people might be thinking you get free BP for knowledge skills rather than free skill points.
Fortune
Nov 27 2006, 03:52 AM
QUOTE (Jaid) |
some people might be thinking you get free BP for knowledge skills rather than free skill points. |
In that case, halving the costs would result in something approximating canon, except that even with real BP, Specializations in Knowledge Skills only cost 1 BP, so you would still run into some messy problems.
Jaid
Nov 27 2006, 04:38 AM
QUOTE (Fortune) |
QUOTE (Jaid @ Nov 27 2006, 02:48 PM) | some people might be thinking you get free BP for knowledge skills rather than free skill points. |
In that case, halving the costs would result in something approximating canon, except that even with real BP, Specializations in Knowledge Skills only cost 1 BP, so you would still run into some messy problems. |
can't say i've ever specialised a knowledge skill, personally, so i hadn't really noticed that

hmmm... well, i guess you'd just keep the cost to specialise the same. it's already got a bonus vs. drawback built in, i could see it being the same cost as the basic skill points. i certainly don't see too much potential for horrible abuse.
Fortune
Nov 27 2006, 04:47 AM
QUOTE (Jaid) |
can't say i've ever specialised a knowledge skill, personally, so i hadn't really noticed that |
Funny, I do it all the time.
Glyph
Nov 27 2006, 04:49 AM
Yeah, I guess my knowledge skills will stay as they are, then, since I only spent the bonus points on them. Ah well, she still has what she needs there, and they'll be easier to increase now.
Digital Heroin
Nov 27 2006, 09:14 AM
As I have nothing productive to say, I shall simply ask:
¿Dónde puedo comprar a un enano?
Fortune
Nov 27 2006, 12:48 PM
Waar anders? Bij de dwergmarkt.
emo samurai
Nov 28 2006, 03:04 PM
All I can say about your work on All I want so far is, to quote Borat, "NIIIIIIICE." And Jaid, sorry about forgetting about you. :.(...
bishop186
Nov 28 2006, 10:37 PM
Emo: I'm still wondering about that lifestyle thing. Are ALL lifestyle expenses paid aside from rent, e.g. living expenses and starting caish monies, or would it be cool to, say, pay for the lifestyle grade below the one you want and say that your expenses minus rent are paid?
In my example, I took Medium lifestyle. Now, since we don't have rent, can I take 3k NuYen and use it back in the buy/build process, or at least roll a couple extra dice for in-game NuYen?
emo samurai
Nov 28 2006, 10:39 PM
Just take all that money and keep it post-chargen, or use it at chargen.
bishop186
Nov 28 2006, 11:01 PM
Alrighty.
Jaid
Nov 28 2006, 11:46 PM
hmmm... well i'm gonna have to retroactively re-spend it then... probably on toolkits and fake armed drone licenses...
'cause otherwise i woulda definitely just payed some fat guy to get a liposuction and kept a pound of his fat
emo samurai
Nov 29 2006, 12:47 AM
Yeah, that's why the campaign idea was a secret.
Jaid
Nov 29 2006, 01:31 AM
QUOTE (emo samurai) |
Yeah, that's why the campaign idea was a secret. |
yeah, i figured... if i'd known the pound of human flesh was literal, not figurative, i would definitely have included a street doctor contact. or, well... been seriously tempted to, anyways.
even with the limited funds i did have, i was considering going that route, but kinda figured in the name of not derailing the plot, i would just not try it

on a side note... i r confuzzled now...
given we don't have lifestyles, just how much money do we roll for starting cash, anyways?
emo samurai
Nov 29 2006, 01:38 AM
Low lifestyle, all around. Sorry I didn't consider this before.
bishop186
Nov 29 2006, 11:00 AM
Emo:
[ Spoiler ]
Hey, I was going through my character sheet and I went and did it in an Excel spreadsheet (I've got all the numbers so they'll calculate for me [and I adjusted it for your house rules] and I realized that I had about 10BP just floating around doing nothing, so I upped my skills a little bit (didn't add any, just upped).
Also, with a couple of those spare BP along with the BP from not paying for a lifestyle, I bought an actioneer business suit, an AK-97, and another Flare Compensator. Here's the updated character sheet. If you want to check my figures/numbers, I can upload the Excel doc also.
http://members.cox.net/bishop186/ltmajandrewdolev.xls[EDIT]
Forgot to add the hammerli into weapons, so did that real quick. It's updated now.
[/EDIT]
[EDIT DEUX]
I just noticed that it's clipping off the edge, so I just uploaded the Excel. -_-;;
[/EDIT]
I'm not sure about the rules on rolling dice with left over NuYen (because my BBB says that I add +1 to the diceroll for every 100 NuYen left over up to half the max roll (aka 3x the number of dice rolled) and add that and then multiply. To me that means that you roll your dice, add your (in this case) +9, and then multiply. So that's what I'm going to do.
Also, here's my low lifestyle roll:
[(5 + 5 + 2) + 9] x 50 = 1050 NuYen.
Fortune
Nov 29 2006, 02:16 PM
You have it right about the starting nuyen ... I was the one who was misreading it before.
Jaid
Dec 1 2006, 09:03 AM
ok, emo, i figure you're gonna want some data search rolls.
Just for your reference, she'll be running my browse and edit programs (for finding and compiling the list)
so then, here's the
rolls(for your summarised viewing, that would be 6 intervals of probably one minute each, since it's bigger than single network but smaller than the whole matrix, and the hits per interval are as follows: 2, 1 (with a normal glitch), 3, 3, 2, 4 = total 14, -1 for the glitch iirc is 13, which should get anything except the highest difficulty rating. as i said, i don't anticipate it being much higher than average, other than picking up the shadow board information. the second set of
rolls is for finding street maps. the hits are as follows: 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 3 = 15 hits.
Jaid
Dec 3 2006, 12:30 AM
where'd everyone go?
anyways, i didn't add it in earlier, 'cause i didn't know, and for that matter still don't know what region the place is in within seattle, but i now know it's in an A zone. which complicates things a little, i guess. (actually, i'm surprised an A zone would stand for that kind of thing happening)
now then is there any reason i shouldn't just post my character trying to find out more on this place? is it possible to even get an agreement of any sort? an acknowledgement? anything whatsoever?
Jaid
Dec 7 2006, 01:45 PM
K, here's my rolls...
compilingsprite resistanceFading resist(actually, i think i rolled too many dice on the sprite resist test now i think of it... ah well... anyways, more on this later... i'm in a hurry

)
[edit] ok, i promised more... basically, my intention was to feed the sprite (oh, data sprite again, btw) a few basic qualifiers for people we might want to target, and have him keep an eye out for those specific qualifiers. for example, someone who is basically a loner would be one qualifier (doesn't spend a lot of time with a given group of people). someone who does not look heavily armed. someone who lives in a low security area. lives close to the barrens, but not in the barrens. someone who does not appear to have a commlink.
blech, i think i had other qualifiers i wanted too, but i was in a hurry to get out the door and go to work, and i've since forgotten

[/edit]
Digital Heroin
Dec 13 2006, 02:29 AM
bishop186
Dec 18 2006, 02:59 AM
So, it's been 5 days. What's up with the game? Heh.
In other news, I'll be out Monday and possibly Tuesday. Driving to California for holiday -- I'll still get on during the holiday, just possibly not these days since I'll be driving through.
It's a long drive, from the midwest to California.
emo samurai
Jan 31 2007, 05:38 AM
Sorry for the delay between games. Major funk that I've since gotten myself out of.
bishop186
Jan 31 2007, 05:39 AM
Well hot damn, I thought this game was dead for sure!
emo samurai
Jan 31 2007, 05:43 AM
Nope; so long as Dream is in his castle, the Dreaming will never fall. He just retreats to his bedroom every so often.
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