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Abbandon

Mar 3 2008, 12:20 AM

@Sir Psycho

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@Dashifen ...Well that sucks Dashifen. Thanx for stepping aside though.

@Everyone. if you choose to use a program to make characters thats great. But if are submitting them for a game you should freaking take the time to put in th costs and BP so your would be GM doesnt have to look every single detail up himself. You programmer guys need to get off your butts and make cost and BP's get displayed in those character creator programs!

Sir_Psycho

Mar 3 2008, 08:24 AM

-There's definately some discrepancies here. I must have accidentally copy+pasted an older set of calculations, on my finished sheet here the numbers add up a little better. Should I update edit my original post or post a re-done version here?
-The reason my Response and Signal are capped at five is because upgrading to six is R16 (availability), which is over the cap. So I can make those upgrades when I want to in-game, so not quite pointless.
-The one thing I disagree on: As for the programs, unless it was some-how corrected in the errata, I've done up to spec.
As for as I know from the rules (the Program Costs and Availability table p.228) the program cost step goes like this:
R1 = 500y
R2 = 1000y
R3 = 1500y
and here's where we differ:
R4 = 4000y
R5 = 5000y
R6 = 6000y
I must say your way makes hacking prohibitively expensive. 6,000 Nuyen is already a sight more dear than most guns. Even the infamous Panther is only 5,500y. A Hacking program according to you costs just short of THREE panther assault cannons.

To summarize, I'm totally happy to fix up those other problems on my horrible character sheet, but I'd need to be convinced otherwise on the program cost, you being the only one I've seen do it that way.

Abbandon

Mar 3 2008, 08:48 AM

Oh nevermind about the program costs for now.. My eyes must have dropped down to the agent/ic line lol. I have no problems with you getting System 6, we are in agreement that it will run at 5 and you can only use programs at 5 though? Your not going to take a Sniffer Program? Heh I didnt read the part about how if you lose a reality filter check you get -1 response, i thought you just lost and saw everything like the node wanted it to be seen. If you lost that means your bad ass cyber dinosaur persona turns into a little hot japanese chick in a kimona if your on Renraku or something? hehe.

Hey that brings up another question. Do you plan on creating a matrix topography/theme for Astro?

*edit You can edit your spoiler or post again it doesnt bother me which.

Tobias

Mar 3 2008, 09:59 AM

This is my new BP breakdown after tweaking the numbers slightly. All has been updated on the Wiki. Not added the 8 BP but they will most likely just be +1 to unarmed and 2 manuvers for wildcat if thats okay to update.

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crizh

Mar 3 2008, 10:14 AM

Here's some preliminary stats for Voodoo.

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I haven't put prices in for gear, I'll do that on the wiki, or descriptions of her contacts, ditto.

With the extra BP's I'm just going to buy more gear. What sort of availability will you allow us to go up to with that?

Abbandon

Mar 3 2008, 10:33 AM

@Tobias You paid double for all your alpha cyber enhancements but thats not necessary. Only the piece of ware that gets installed and has capacity has to pay higher grade costs. Eyeball = double cost. Vision enhance, flare comp and the like = normal cost. That should open up a ton of money. You should really take an agent and attack program otherwise your analyze is pretty worthless hehe. Well I guess you can get alerted and shut off your comm. An agent would have an easier shot at spotting something than an analyze program alone.

@Crizh I added you back to the wiki. I booted you before cuz i am paranoid =P and you werent in the game yet. Looking over your spoiler and stuff now...

availability = 12 like i said in the rules unless you choose a 12 breaker as your wiki reward.

Everything else looks good on your sheet.

Fuchs

Mar 3 2008, 10:48 AM

QUOTE (Abbandon @ Mar 3 2008, 11:33 AM)

According to SR4 p. 303, any accessories have to have the same grade as the implant they are added to (We had that discussion just last week in our pen and paper campaign).

Abbandon

Mar 3 2008, 11:08 AM

Hmmmm your right....one stupid sentence...........grrrrr I want to overrule that so bad....

vision enhancers for a cybereyes are like Rating x 1000 or something and you get those same enhancements to a contact lense and its rating x 100. Thats bullcrap....

Sorry Tobias but thats not something i want to house rule. I only wanna change things that are totally insane like 800 pound trolls or things that are not clear and have to be interpreted like a bunch of matrix stuff. That is pretty clear though and it does make sense. A smaller implant would need smaller more expensive parts. There is something on the FAQ about capacity and implants and grades though....

Blame Fuchs !!! hehehe. Now I have to play with my damn cyberarm sword chick.......

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If I install an implant inside a cyberlimb, using up the Capacity of this limb rather than Essence, does the grade of the implant reduce the Capacity cost as it would reduce the Essence cost?

While it makes sense that higher-grade cyberware would take up less space, our answer is no. That's because accessories to an implant must be of the same grade as the implant (the cyberlimb). Since higher-grade cyberlimbs are more compact and efficient in design, however, they have less excess space to fill up. So while the space the accessory takes up shrinks, the space available in the limb also shrinks.

As always, gamemasters can change this if they want. It's not going to be a game breaker to stick a little more gear inside a cyberlimb.

irrelevant

Sir_Psycho

Mar 3 2008, 11:15 AM

Because I've got to perform the arduous task of adding prices to everything on my character, and straightening out the creases, I'll just PM you Astro's 20 Questions tonight to give you an idea of the RP premise. Her parental background is such a shakespearian soap opera.

EDIT: Actually, seeing as 20 Questions doesn't copy paste that well onto DS, you could PM your email to me and I could send it to you.

And Fuchs, if you're doing a render, I thought you might like Astro.

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Does your character have an ethnic background?
Anais is French-Syrian. She is fairly international/westernised in her morals and mannerisms though, given her prolonged and avid exposure to the matrix.
APPEARANCE
What does your character look like?
Anaisâ€™ appearance is transient between Arabic and European. Her skin is much fairer than other middle-eastern girls, and her hair less curly, but still thick. Her fatherâ€™s deep-brown eyes are gone, replaced with the dark yellow-green slits of black market bazaar bioware.
She is quite pretty and mysterious, but not beautiful like her mother was. Her build is slim and boyish, with small breasts, and she has dark eyebrows and a slight overbite.

What does your character dress like?
Astro dresses however the hell she likes now. Unrestrained by the religion she left behind, she has found a passion for body art. Each ear has several different piercings, loops and bars and exotic jewelry or pieces of tech often adorn her ears. She has an eyebrow stud, a small diamond nose piercing and a small silver ring looped through the corner of her bottom lip.
Anais has naturally thick, beautiful and healthy hair, but you only live once, right? She spent a few years with an androgenous boycut to avoid trouble during her studies in the middle-east, currently she has a messy tuft of hair on the top of her head, with the back and sides shaved short.
Astro is fascinated by body art, although doesnâ€™t opt for excess like full sleeves on herself. She has a tangle of cherry blossoms on her left shoulder, running down her shoulder blades and her biceps. Alternating thick red and black bands on her fingers and â€œfreeâ€? written in Arabic ( ØØ±Ø±; ÙŠØØ±Ù?Ø±ØŒ ÙŠØ·Ù„Ù?Ù‚ Ø³Ø±Ø§Ø ) Around her left wrist. On her upper back, cat pawjust under her neck data-jack, is the Arabic text of â€œSpeed of Lightâ€? (Ø³Ø±Ø¹Ø© Ø§Ù„Ø¶ÙˆØ¡ ) and two tiny cat paws on the backs of her thighs.
She often wears ripped up band t-shirts, singlets and whatever will show off her tattoos. She dyes her denim jeans a range of colours like red or acid green, with sewn in studs and patterns. She loves old leather. Her favourite piece of armor is her colour-shifting poncho. She often designs and codes entertaining graphics for it, like a fish swimming leisurely across her back.

Does your character have any physical quirks? Anais often flicks and bites at her lip piercing when she is tense or bored. She is often fiddling with something, usually artistic. Sketching, carving graffiti into bus seats and bar counters etc. Wherever she can get away with it, sheâ€™ll probably have a cigarette on her lip and flicking at it with her zippo lighter. She often rolls her own cigarettes.

(Fuchs can you PM me your email so I can attatch the word document which has the arabic symbols?)

crizh

Mar 3 2008, 11:17 AM

QUOTE (Abbandon @ Mar 3 2008, 10:33 AM)

availability = 12 like i said in the rules unless you choose a 12 breaker as your wiki reward.

Yeah, I didn't really understand that bit of the house-rules.

Does it mean I can have an extra 40k Nuyen worth of gear which I'm allowed to break the availability cap with or is it break the cap or 40k of gear?

Abbandon

Mar 3 2008, 11:22 AM

1 item that breaks Avail -12(paid for normally) + 40k to be spent on whatever.

@psycho just post them here in a spoiler, I dont care if it looks good. Or just put it up on your wiki!!

Fuchs

Mar 3 2008, 12:16 PM

@ Sir_Psycho: Looks good, I'll see what I can do (probably tomorrow). For the Tatoos, best make a picture of them (rather big if possible), and PM me the link to it. I can overlay them to the skin of the figure (hence why they need to be big, easier to shrink them down without losing resolution than blowing up some pixels).

quentra

Mar 3 2008, 07:04 PM

Just wanted to post Qventra up.

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I'll switch it around if I get the BP bonus for the wiki, but feel free to point out any mistakes I've made, or any problems you foresee.

EDIT: I chose the 8bp bonus, used 1 point to get 70k, 2 points for my Rat 2CP armor, and the other 5 to up my contacts. Also, I got rid of my skillwires, activesoft, and my bike, and added in a cerebral booster.

crizh

Mar 3 2008, 10:59 PM

OK I've put everything up on the wiki and I think it's all right...

Her equipment includes one availability 24 item but I haven't added the extra gear. I'll put that up tonight in an extra section on the gear sheet.

Abbandon

Mar 4 2008, 05:50 AM

Quentra your in and cleared to wiki.

Abbandon

Mar 4 2008, 06:30 AM

@Everyone

Ok..people are touching up their wiki's and Im gonna started tracking who is finished and who isnt. I have to create myself a little database on all these characters and then we will be ready to maybe start. Im thinking it will be go time by the beginning of next week MAX. Hopefully alot sooner depending on each of us.

nobody needs to start rolling any dice, and those that have its fine *grumbles* but besides hammering out your wiki's the only thing I want to prep you all on is dice rolling. The following is how I demand things get written and show up.

just for space

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You dont have to color anything or bold dice rolls but init,perception, ip's, damage should be bold. Im mainly bitching about how the dice rolls are presented. I dont want to have to "figure it out" I want to see the rolls easily. Do not altar the order of the dice.

Thats all get back to work if you have any and I will be doing the same!!

Abbandon

Mar 4 2008, 10:21 AM

Ok I have gone over the 4 people how have put up their wiki's and here is what tweaks i need made and questions I have:

@Fuchs

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@Glyph

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@Tobias

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@Crizh

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@everyone. If you have any abilities that are not listed elsewhere like because of your race, add a section to your character sheet page up by qualities or at the bottom to list them.

@Sir Psycho and Quentra I look forward to seeing your wiki's.

crizh

Mar 4 2008, 10:59 AM

- Names. No problem, I'll get right on it.

- Rating Cap on SIN. Doh! I'll reconsider that, maybe tweak it or get something else...

- Commlink. Sorry not really sure what I'm doing there. Just trying to make it as secure as possible without reading the Matrix rules. I'll change it and I'll see if I can make any sense out of the Matrix rules....

- Gear. Hadn't actually quite finished yet. Working on it.

- Armour. Yeah those are mod's to the Urban Explorer Suit. I was trying to keep the bonus stuff separate, maybe I'll just move some stuff around a bit so that it makes more sense.

Fuchs

Mar 4 2008, 11:15 AM

Sim Module: The "-" was a typo, it's a seperate item, not part of the glasses, now fixed.
The holsters are all for the Ares Predator IV. Depending on clothes, she uses different holsters, the concealed holsters under her shoulder if she has a jacket on, the concealed one in the small of her back if she has no jacket, and the quickdraw hip/thigh holster when there's no need to conceal a weapon. The Shotgun she usually carries with a sling, but she only carries that when concealment is not needed, or if she can stash it in a vehicle or bag.
Contact tab should be fixed now.

(Also, I noticed that in the stat block, we were missing initiative/IP, I added those, if the layout is ok.)

Sir_Psycho

Mar 4 2008, 11:20 AM

Crizh, I am so hacking you once we start playing. >:-P

Abbandon: I'm going to start playing with the Wiki before I go to bed. I've never edited a wiki or done any sort of html work, so wish me luck. Also, you should throw a link to the wiki into your sig along with the other ones.

Also, Fuchs, if you're reading, change the hair from the wierd semi-mohawk and just add long, dark hair. I can butcher her hair in-game if I feel the need.

Tobias

Mar 4 2008, 11:52 AM

@Abbandon: Cheers, I'm not to sure yet as I was crazy tired when I got in and didn't have time to make my mind up. But I have wed/thurs off so I'll do finishing touches.

Regarding the navigation at the top of the wiki, If you want I can tweak everyones pages to make the navigation into a header (like i've done with mine) but if people are wanting to do it on there own no worries, I have plenty of time on my hands at work... we aren't that busy atm.

((I used to have a wiki for my previous RL game of nWoD which I played in for like 2 years. Hence the mad wiki skillz

))

Sir_Psycho

Mar 4 2008, 12:02 PM

So how do you think this game is going to run? Are we going to do it PBP here on Dumpshock or will there be new sections in the Wiki for play?

Also, are we going to be interacting with other player characters, or are these going to be self-contained single player games? Or are we occasionally going to chat IC and maybe perform jobs for eachother, like contacts. Or is that too dating sim?

Abbandon

Mar 4 2008, 02:35 PM

@Tobias no dont touch other people's wiki's.

@Psycho yes we will be using dumpshock forums, I will make an ooc and ic thread like all the other games. Just doing all the crap work here. Yes you will all be isolated from one another. I said in the very first post it is a solo game....

At most you may have the same contacts or visit the same places but I doubt we will ever have characters interact directly. Thats what this game is really about , chaos. I wanted a game where people could have fun and not get held up waiting on others.

@crizh If you want a semi secure comm, try to get an R3 agent, and R3 programs of analzye, attack, and spoof. That will let you have a little protection against intruders by using an agent to do the dirty work and let you change your commcode periodically. I wouldnt worry about it to much, Im not gonna hit the non hackers with hackers and the non awakened with spirits and stuff......to often...

Fuchs

Mar 4 2008, 03:04 PM

Possible options for some interaction without waiting for others could be to either keep the scene short (Starting post, PM to the other with possible outcome(s), other players then posts with the outcome), or do interaction/cameos as narratives after pre-emptive checking with the rest (Say, X wants some magic security, nothing that needs to be posted urgently, so can be cleared in PMs, and posted when it fits, either as current scene, or a background exposition such as "Opening his door he noticed the flat was still untouched. Hiring that mage had been a good decision, even though he was a strange one, with all the...").
Such stuff might allow interaction and/or cameo appearances between players without holding the game up.

Abbandon

Mar 4 2008, 03:23 PM

Yeah ok whatever "we will see". None of you or me know how screwed up and busy your lives are going to get though IC.

I dont know if we can change are signatures yet, the last time i checked they were broke. I will add a wiki link to the first post though!

quentra

Mar 4 2008, 03:43 PM

Right, I got most of my wiki up, except for the Takes page. My character sheet still needs some adjusting due to the +8BP thingie, but thats about it. About that, is it 8BP or 40k or one item over availability? Or is it 8bp or one item over availability + 40k?

EDIT: I'm gonna use the 8BP + 40k thing, on rereading the house rules. Also, I noticed that my essense loss should've been 1.2, not 1.00, so I juggled a few things around there as well. All the changes are on the wiki.

Abbandon

Mar 4 2008, 04:31 PM

You get one of two rewards:
8bp
or
1 avail 12 breaking item +40k

Tobias

Mar 4 2008, 04:38 PM

Just updated the wiki with my manuever went for Finishing Move.

Abbandon

Mar 4 2008, 04:47 PM

Ok cool Tobias. That has to be the best manuever lol. Oh yeah which reminds me i have questions to ask about that over on the rules board.

@Quentra

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quentra

Mar 4 2008, 05:12 PM

K, I fixed that, should only have 70k, or 14BP on gear, and chose the 8BP bonus. I switched my spoiler and my wiki should reflect the changes. Oh, and I noticed that Astro had Seattle Hacker Haunts in her knowledge skills, and Qventra frequents a Seattle based VR bar. Could I have our characters be at least aware of each other?

Abbandon

Mar 4 2008, 06:36 PM

Because you both walk around advertising the fact that you are shadowrunners to random people on the matrix?? Sure. As long as you dont mind that the police and corporations are also aware of you lol.

Lets not worry about inter-character relationships and shit until we see how the normal stuff pans out.

@quentra

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Sir_Psycho

Mar 5 2008, 02:42 AM

Ok I laid a lot down into the Wiki today. I had some wierd problems with the formatting. Maybe you could fix that up, Tobias?

Abbandon? I know it's not totally finished, but feel free to mention anything and I'll pay some extra attention to it.

quentra

Mar 5 2008, 02:53 AM

Ah, you're right, I did forget. Aight, I dropped my second SIN, that freed up enough cash.

Tobias

Mar 5 2008, 04:37 AM

QUOTE (Sir_Psycho @ Mar 4 2008, 09:42 PM)

Ok I laid a lot down into the Wiki today. I had some wierd problems with the formatting. Maybe you could fix that up, Tobias?

Thrown a header up there to make the navigation work better. Not fiddled with the internal stuff as its 4:36 am and anythig more than that and my brain no work.

Glyph

Mar 5 2008, 05:28 AM

Sorry for the late reply, I thought I was all done so I missed the spoiler addressed to me. I had all the damn equipment but I guess it didn't save it - it seemed to get cut off at some point, that's why it wasn't the full amount. Put it all back in now.

Abbandon

Mar 5 2008, 05:47 AM

@Quentra

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@Sir Psycho

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crizh

Mar 5 2008, 09:28 AM

OK. I think I'm done tweaking Voodoo. What's up on the wiki is final pending GM approval.

Are we allowed to ask about other house-rules and rules interpretations?

There's a lot of optional rules and vague stuff in SR4 and it would be helpful to know how you intend to run these things in advance.

For example there is a debate ongoing on the forums on whether a first-aid kit can heal drain and the canon rules on recovering Edge are just a list of options.

quentra

Mar 5 2008, 12:24 PM

QUOTE (Abbandon @ Mar 5 2008, 12:47 AM)

@Quentra

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Ah, I didn't see the 'per ten shots' things, I assumed the costs were per clip. I removed my ex-ex, and that should put me at 69,740

. Changed that in the wiki and my spoiler.

Sir_Psycho

Mar 5 2008, 12:30 PM

I loaded my augmentations to the equipment page from my character sheet page, but it's late and I'm a bit drunk and I have an 8:30 start, so I'll put the prices on and add it all up on the wiki for your viewing pleasure tomorrow.

Just as a note, the Programs (common use and hacking) are included in the commlink price, but the random data such as the linguasofts/mapsofts/vr games/btls/etc. are not in the commlink price. If you give me an email, i can send you the XML document with all the calculations in it for your scrutiny.

Also, I'm sure I can just have a manual simsense limiter switch for when I don't need a boost and don't want to get my brain fried.

As for the initiative, she's not the quickest of girls. I'm seriously considering replacing Combat Paralysis with Incompetent in Firearms group and Low Pain Tolerance, so that when the lead starts flying, she can run away before she gets killed.

Anyway, more updates to the wiki tomorrow night.

Abbandon

Mar 5 2008, 01:23 PM

@Sir Psycho Man I forgot to tell you how freaking funny your reasons were for your skills. I was laughing out loud for reals. I highly suggest everyone else take a gander at Sir Psycho's character sheet page and check out his skills.

@Crizh sure you can ask whatever rules questions you want. The only thing im aware of that can not heal stun damage is magic. I dont know why people would say first aid can't when it explicitly says it can. Just remember you cant default on medical tests.

Edge refreshes whenever the hell I feel like it. Which would most likely be at the end of each run when you get paid/rescued/saved.

Abbandon

Mar 5 2008, 01:47 PM

Im gonna beat your ass if you dont stop messing with things tobias lol.

@Sir Psycho

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Fuchs

Mar 5 2008, 01:52 PM

Yes, very funny notes to skills, Sir_PSycho!

Tobias

Mar 5 2008, 01:58 PM

Sorry, was just cleaning up his wiki. Didn't know you were trying to at the same time.

@Sir_psycho: Awesome skill descrptions.

Abbandon

Mar 5 2008, 02:13 PM

Looks like we can edit signatures again ? Tobias.

@quentra your have 2285 nuyen to play with =P

Tobias

Mar 5 2008, 02:15 PM

Yea, didn't know we couldn't. Through it up while at work as I had too much spare time on my hands. The systems were down for 3 days so I got the joy of playing an answering machine everycall. Funtastic.

Abbandon

Mar 5 2008, 02:22 PM

They were broke for awhile after the last forum upgrade. Im glad you were bored and figured out they worked again ! hehe

quentra

Mar 5 2008, 02:26 PM

Ha, not anymore. Got Qven another lifestyle as a safe house, so I'm under budget by 285

, heh.

quentra

Mar 5 2008, 02:35 PM

QUOTE (quentra @ Mar 3 2008, 02:04 PM)

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Reposting my (hopefully) error free charasheet with all the changes and mods.

EDIT: Eeep, double post. Sorry.

Abbandon

Mar 5 2008, 02:45 PM

Looks good. You are aware that you will have a -2 to initiative and all actions while wearing your armored jacket though right... do to encumbrance?

your assault rifle should only be doing 6p also..

quentra

Mar 5 2008, 02:51 PM

EDIT: Oh, crapoza. Was thinking SR3, quickness decided encumbrance. Yeah, got Armor Clothing instead, which freed up some more yen

, so I put gasvent3 on my AK.

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