Look even if it is a joke all of you who wanted dragons and all that jazz have a few pages of stuff to use. USE IT and create pc dragons in your settings and then watch as they just roll over pretty much everything they want to. You want it? It's right there, and with a bit of minor tweaking you can pull it off. Really not all that hard considering the stats and descriptions for the other races have paragraphs devoted to them.

If you want it do it. Why should people be pissed just because it was a joke. You can still use it. I personally think that it is too much of a power creep in a game like this, but hell I'm sure people wrote up dragons and wanted to play them in the SR setting years before this prank was even dreamed up.

If someone handed an apple to me while I was starving I would be happy. If someone threw an apple at me as hard as they could I wouldn't be as happy, but I would still eat the apple.

I think it would have been all ok if they'd just posted a few days later confirming and explaining the joke. It would have been funny for everyone at that point. But after waiting two weeks until many of us were convinced the long delay made it real, then it was just a troll. I like what they did with the rules, I like how they showed that their system is flexible enough to handle even crazy things like dragons. But it would have been nice if they'd presented it as a wacky fun idea instead of as a troll.

...I totally agree on the wet dogs.

...oh and several spell checkers say the 'i' is correct.

Dictionary.com to the rescue!!


or·di·nance [awr-dn-uhns]
noun
1. an authoritative rule or law; a decree or command.
2. a public injunction or regulation: a city ordinance against excessive horn blowing.
3. something believed to have been ordained, as by a deity or destiny.

ord·nance [awrd-nuhns]
noun
1. cannon or artillery.
2. military weapons with their equipment, ammunition, etc.
3. the branch of an army that procures, stores, and issues, weapons, munitions, and combat vehicles and maintains arsenals for their development and testing.

Personally, as I've stated in a previous post that might not have been this thread, I think there should be rules for it. I myself would like the ability to custom build a Dragon using BP's and Karma and have a rough idea of what it's difficulty would be. I would also, being a severe Dragon(And elf) Fanboy(not that seriously) like to be able to develope a Draconic Character even if I didn't go the full Burninator way. I wouldn't expect to play a full In-Your-Face Dragon, but a Dragon that might've just reached adult-hood in the recent decades would be nice. It's also possible that a number of Dragons in the Adolescent Wyvern state also slept through the 5th Age and then Cucooned when the awakened in the "Current" Age.

Mostly as I stated before it would most likely have to be for a Special game, or atleast be only Available when it was kept on the par with other characters allowed in a game. I would derive much more enjoyment from building a Draconic Char from a lowly Just Achieved Adulthood to a Veteran ShadowRunner Adult Dragon.

Final Point I would like to see this as a "House Rule", as in Player/GM Created build, Racial Option. I ask myself what would Fist, Frank, Hyz, and AH do with it? (If I forgot someone I apologize, but I have read SO many posts I can't always remember who brought up All the many interesting Ideas!)

Beaten by swirler!
Yeah, "ordinance" is a word, it's just not the word you want. Explosive "ordinance" would be if someone said, "New rule: you can all play as dragons" and then there was a big explosive argument about the rule. That, I suppose, would be an explosive ordinance.

Ordnance is bombs and stuff.

Uh.... then do it. You realize that there is almost as much information on the dragons in that prank then there is when dealing with the stat table and descriptions of meta-humans/humans in the SR4 BBB (p. 65-67, and p. 73)?

Now, now - you can't blame Catalyst for that abomination Microsoft/FASA Studios cooked up! They own the SR video game rights, they can (and did, unfortunately) abuse the name all the way they want...

Excerpts from the website

"For those who haven’t caught the obvious clues here are just a few"

The asterisks in the Dragon Attribute Table are all over the place.

Dragons and Technology offers two completely different prices for dragon-compatible nanotrodes.

The Transcendence Metamagic box: A little too big, don’t you think?

The Dragons and Ranged Combat Modifiers: “they may apply a modifier between +2 and +4 (gamemaster’s discretion; standard of -3)�

If typos and errors are supposed to be signs of an obvious joke.

Then I suppose Arsenal ( http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?s=&a...st&p=626203 ) is just a really early April Fool's Joke and we can all take our 'joke' copies of Arsenal to where ever we might have purchased them and exchange them for the 'real' copy of Arsenal.

Actually, I once read somewhere the results of a comparative international humor study conducted by IIRC British psychologists. The had confronted candidates from various countries with jokes from all the study's countries and asked them to judge the jokes as funny or not.
To their astonishment it was the "humourless" Germans who actually judged "funny" most of the time!
On the other hand, only a minority of the other candidates considered the offered German jokes funny - most of the time they were considered "too surreal" or "incomprehensible".
So, it's not that we Germans don't have a sense of humour - the problem is the world doesn't understand it...

Word. Or at least a corrected pdf.

man...
it's rather nasty here

edit
this reminds me of something I had been noticing for awhile.
People seem to be forgetting that RPGs are supposed to be fun. Sure different people have differing ideas about what funny is, just like they have different ideas about what funny is, but come on. People take too many things personal or feel that they "deserve" exactly what they want and everyone else is just "wrong wrong wrong!!".

Some people believer that there is no room for humor of any kind in RPGs, and some publishers, ones I even like, feel that way. To me that's just sad. With some of the venomous remarks here I can see why some industry people leave it out. People can be insane about it and freak out so they just give up.

I too have noticed this trend being displayed lately by a certain percentage of Dumpshockers.

Man, most of the German folks I know are way funnier than the Japanese folks I know. Or at least their humor isn't quite so lowbrow on average.

Red herring! Sense of humor only applies to things that are funny

I appreciate the prank for what it is. It took me a while to catch on to its "joke-ness," but once I decided on it being fake, I gave a little chuckle and went about my way. What I thought was hilarious was the knee-jerk reactions of anti-SR4 zealots (not on here, in my other communities), where they pointed it out as definitive evidence of the devs screwing up the game. Now that it's revealed as the fake that it is, I suppose they can go back to grumbling over the same tired points. Meanwhile, I'm moving on with my life (as I humbly suggest that others who were so unduly "impacted" by this joke do).

There would be more humor if the "jokes" were better.

Of course, if one is lacking a sense of humor, how would they know?

Shrug. Did it really cost you anything in the long run (or even in the short tern)? Lighten up!

It's news for me that having enough taste to spot bad, cheap and lame jokes is now called "lacking a sense of humor".

Yes, it cost me a certain amount of my trust into Catalyst's preview releases.

Direct phone line to the gawd of humor. Try it some time, you slappywag!

Honestly, I might have found it funny if they didn't drag it out so long.

2 weeks? That's like telling a two line joke, and coming back a week later to deliver the punchline. Most people are gonna be like "wtfmate?"

The people typing up page long rants and complaining about a lack of professionalism are taking the whole thing a bit personally. The only thing that offends me is the really bad comedic timing. Take some lessons, folks.

I agree with people saying that a joke needs to be fast and punchy. Dragging it out so it becomes a debate topic while everyone beats the horse to death is not funny, and is trolling. I do think a punchy joke is appropriate on april fools day.

I do not think it is appropriate to release your april fools joke on the 2nd, and let it run for two weeks, both of which give the impression that it's real is just chumming the waters and trolling. Trolling your customer base is made of retarded.

I didn't know exactly what that word means, so I looked it up (apparently slappywag means a penis, a jerk, or a stupid person). I am definitely insulted by your post. I was under the impression that personal attacks and insults were not allowed on Dumpshock. You'll note that I did not insult you (or in fact anyone) personally.

But, where's your sense of humor now? Were you bleeding? What's the fuss?

Or does that only apply to people who did not find the "joke" funny?

So you stop paying attention for a couple of days and what do you see? Those horrible horrible people at Catalyst Game Labs react to the righteous anger that has sweeped through the world wide web in reaction to their atrocious attempt to forever destroy MY GAME, MY BELOVED (and, I will add, in two states LEGALLY BETROTHED) Shadowrun and now pretend that it was just a joke?!
I AM FILLED WITH GENERIC RAGE!!!

This time, the party currently holding this our sacred interlectual property RANSOM have seriously crossed a line!

I reject the attempt by these... PEOPLE to do anything, to MY GAME or otherwise, that I do not personally appreciate 100%!

I hereby declare this month the official I SHOW MY DISDAIN TO CGL FOR NOT DOING EXACTLY WHAT I WANT INITIATIVE - month, or I.S.M.D.T.CGL.F.N.D.E.W.I.W.I.-month, for short!

I ask all you true Shadowrun fans to supprot this initiative by copying the official I.S.M.D.T.CGL.F.N.D.E.W.I.W.I. statement of disdain into their signature. Together, we will prevail!!!

I didn't know what it means either! But I can't figure out if you're being ironic, thus continuing the joke, or if you're just a big ol hypocrite

No! MMO culture be gone! The power of Dunky compels you!

By the way my above post was an april fools joke..I know it sounded mad and disgusted and it was 2 weeks late...what can I say....I laughed all day about it.

someone was watching Family Guy reruns on CW

I'm with you, brother! Fuck CGL!

Correct!

Nay! Catalyst is the best thing to happen to Shadowrun since SURGE game me the ability to play real diamond-coated magical catgirls as stealthy, anonymous crimminal masterminds! I reject your reality ans substatute it for my own!

I declare a counter-protest! I call it the LEGION IN FAVOR OF CGL TO REMAIN IN CHARGE OF SHADOWRUN AND EXPAND TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD - or L.I.F.O.CGL.T.R.I.C.O.S.A.E.T.T.O.T.W.

Our longer acronym and more devoted fanbase will destroy you!

I don't like that it was a joke. The designers basically said that the concept of them hypothetically optionally expanding the horizons of the game is a joke.

Silly overpowered new kind of Dragon, funny.
Character creation rules based off the Micro$oft game, funny.
Fake rules for PC/NPC use of something that's a long time part of the game, not funny.

PC rules for something/anything other then then variations on the basic five races.. Nope... That's a joke...

all these acronyms remind me of the Red Dwarf Polymorph episode

"Erm, I think we're losing sight of the real issue here, which is 'What are we gonna call ourselves?' Erm, and I think it comes down to a choice between 'The League Against Salivating Monsters' or my own personal preference, which is 'The Committee for the Liberation and Integration of Terrifying Organisms and their Rehabilitation Into Society'. Erm, one drawback with that - the abbreviation is 'CLITORIS'."

Hey folks,

I'd just like to say that we wanted to post the explanation sooner, but both Peter and I have had some major real-life stuff to deal with in the past couple weeks, and the delay got unacceptably long due to that. For that, I apologize.

If you give me a free PDF copy of Unwired when it comes available, I'll forgive you!

I forgive you! As long as you weren't trying to troll us and make us feel stupid, then it's all good

So, let me get this straight. You are equating outright calling someone a penis with an attempt to give the community a little light-hearted and free entertainment? This goes a long way toward explaining your mindset.

Lawls. I thought you would understand it was a joke, given the fact that it was directly coupled with a suggestion that you try having a direct telephone line to the gawd of humor so you can know when things are supposed to be funny or not.

But to be clear, I don't think you're a penis, I'm quite confident you're a person. I really didn't intend to imply that I suspected you of being a penis, and I apologize if I gave you that impression. Next time I try to make a joke, I'll be sure to put a disclaimer on it to make sure people know I'm not trying to hurt their feelings, thereby ruining it

The WW april fool's joke...which actually came out before noon on april fool's (anything after the joke is on the pranker)...was IMMENSLY better than this. They did the exact same thing but they didn't make it such a close part of their game.

A sourcebook about Iceland.

Now that's style.

Take your time. Let's say, two weeks later, after you told the joke.
And don't let real-life problems stop you, if you still have time to post on the interwebs.

Horseshit! It was a direct insult. Don't try to weasel out of it now.



So you weren't calling me a dick specifically, just a jerk and/or stupid then. I don't really see that as being much less insulting though.

I am really confused. Are you doing shtick? Because I'm laughing. If you're not trying to be funny by turning a harmless joke into a major issue, I don't know what else to tell you. Though if you're turning a harmless joke into a major issue to turn the mirror on me and show me how ridiculous it is to make a big deal out of a little joke, then point taken

Edit: Just to be absolutely clear, I was only kidding when I was calling you a slappywag. You slappywag.*



*just kidding here, too

who'da thunk a dragon could cause so much chaos?

Calling someone a name, bluntly, is not a joke. It's not even a bad joke. It's just calling someone a name. There was no joke involved. There was "you slappywag." There's no joke there, no pun, no attempt at humor, no wry, subtle, wit. It was "you [are a] slappywag." Investigation on slappywag revealed what the word means, and it's a pretty obvious insult.

Catalyst Games did not post a preview that we all opened just to see, in fancy pdf form, "YOU CUNTS," did they? Here, I'll help: no, they didn't.

The fact you and Fuchs are trying to equate the two tells me you've got some pretty messed up ideas of what constitutes a "joke." The fact you're both trying to say that CGL's attempt at humor is somehow worse than simply calling someone a name tells me I was right several posts ago when I offered you a quarter to help you buy a sense of humor, because somewhere in your heads there is a broken meter.

Posting fake rules (while unabashedly poking fun at themselves for their lack of punctuality, issues with prices not matching up, occasional typos, etc) is nowhere near the same thing as just bluntly calling someone a name. You're all assuming it was some trolling and he's just sitting back and laughing at his customers -- that's your baggage, not Peter's. He posted a prank that was chock full of self deprecating humor and you guys are actling like he punched your mom in the tit or something (and then you're calling Fortune a stupid dick, and claiming it's the same sort of "joke").

...OK, OK so, Firefox & Word don't have context & syntax checkers...or even Chinese checkers. (blast, can't even blame this one on my Queen's English either)

Actually... an ordinance could be considered to have a proximity effect as many tend to be rather broad & general.

...rollerblades away really really fast

He said he didn't know what it meant when he posted and made an apology outlining that it was in jest. And in of itself slappywag is a rather hilarious word which I why I imagine he said it. I imagine that is also why it is on family guy. That is also probably why it is funny.

An old, somewhat relevant link with the most pertinent quote below by someone rather enlightened in the ways of Shadowrun.....

http://www.rpg.net/oracle/essays/storytelling.html