WearzManySkins
May 30 2007, 12:44 AM
Ok here is a revolver that fires the .600 Nitro Express Elephant Gun Cartridge.
Talk about recoil
Zeleska .600 Nitro Express Revolver
http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/...ka_600_nit.html
psychophipps
May 30 2007, 01:17 AM
I saw a video of a guy who bought a single-shot version of this pistol. Had this high-end scope on it and it was really nice...until he fired the thing and it tore from his hands to flip over his shoulder onto the pavement.
He stated on a forum later that he has no interest in ever firing his $3000 pistol again...
Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )
Kyoto Kid
May 30 2007, 01:33 AM
...boy howdy, does KK want one of these!
Raygun, you there? Wanna stat this baby up?
WearzManySkins
May 30 2007, 01:35 AM
Definitely need to be a Troll with lots of strength to deal with this pistol.
mfb
May 30 2007, 01:36 AM
i statted up something similar in SR3, using the CC FCG. i basically just took a sport rifle frame and gave it a cut-down barrel. i think i also gave it a cylinder instead of a magazine, which isn't technically legal, but whatever.
Kyoto Kid
May 30 2007, 01:57 AM
QUOTE (WearzManySkins) |
Definitely need to be a Troll with lots of strength to deal with this pistol.  |
...just got to have a good centre of gravity (which KK has), know how to brace, & use a two handed grip (which is why she wants only one).
I agree that there would be a Recoil penalty, but if you just tag someone with this baby it's pretty much good night.
This is no hand cannon, it's a hand assault cannon.
Method
May 30 2007, 02:03 AM
Man, you gotta love
YouTube.
Kyoto Kid
May 30 2007, 02:13 AM
...needs a bullpup grip. I can't believe that dude was going to "one hand" it at first.
WearzManySkins
May 30 2007, 02:14 AM
spending major amounts of money does not always assure one of having common sense<G>
Sterling
May 30 2007, 06:28 AM
That was fragging HILARIOUS.
That's a gun for orks, trolls, and the heavily cybered.
Wait, I just realized... a pistol mounted in each cyberleg, aimed down... firing these rounds.. who needs hydraulic jacks!?
psykotisk_overlegen
May 30 2007, 02:30 PM
QUOTE |
The bullet is actually .620 inches in diameter, and is typically 900gr in weight. |
That's just plain wrong. If you say that bullet is made of pure lead and is cylindrical it would be something like a third of a meter long. Or does gr mean something other than grams in non-metric? EDIT: gr=/=g as has been pointed out below
QUOTE |
Wait, I just realized... a pistol mounted in each cyberleg, aimed down... firing these rounds.. who needs hydraulic jacks!? |
People who like to land from a long fall without breaking their legs.
Spike
May 30 2007, 02:44 PM
that is 900 grains, not grams. Not sure how grains translate over but I know they are small units of measure.
PBTHHHHT
May 30 2007, 02:46 PM
supposedly accordingly to the ProKon conversion program:
1 gram = 15.432358352941431 grain
so 900 grains is 85.319 grams
Kyoto Kid
May 30 2007, 02:54 PM
...which is roughly 1.88 oz of lead.
mfb
May 30 2007, 03:00 PM
according to Google, 900 grains is
58.31 grams. lemme see if i can find out what 'grain' they use...
psykotisk_overlegen
May 30 2007, 03:15 PM
Okay, my bad. gr=/=g
Grains sounds like an impractical unit of measurement, though not more so than pounds or inches.
Cain
May 30 2007, 04:52 PM
QUOTE (psykotisk_overlegen @ May 30 2007, 08:15 AM) |
Okay, my bad. gr=/=g
Grains sounds like an impractical unit of measurement, though not more so than pounds or inches. |
Oh, you want to talk impractical? Here's a quote from the Terry Practhett book, Good Omens:
QUOTE |
NOTE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE AND AMERICANS: One shilling = Five Pee. It helps to understand the antique finances of the Witchfinder Army if you know the original British monetary system:
Two farthings = One Ha'penny. Two ha'pennies = One Penny. Three pennies = A Thrupenny Bit. Two Thrupences = A Sixpence. Two Sixpences = One Shilling, or Bob. Two Bob = A Florin. One Florin and one Sixpence = Half a Crown. Four Half Crowns = Ten Bob Note. Two Ten Bob Notes = One Pound (or 240 pennies). One Pound and One Shilling = One Guinea.
The British resisted decimalized currency for a long time because they thought it was too complicated. |
psykotisk_overlegen
May 30 2007, 06:43 PM
That's a good book though, I still laugh when I think about the Paintball match where the demon transformed the markers to real guns.
hobgoblin
May 30 2007, 11:31 PM
QUOTE (mfb) |
lemme see if i can find out what 'grain' they use... |
woopie, talk about muddy water

also, i wonder why its give as .600 when its the exact same thing as .60. as in, why the exta zero? marketing? classical case of "bigger number must indicate something better"?
Lagomorph
May 30 2007, 11:47 PM
QUOTE (hobgoblin @ May 30 2007, 11:31 PM) |
QUOTE (mfb @ May 30 2007, 04:00 PM) | lemme see if i can find out what 'grain' they use... |
woopie, talk about muddy water  also, i wonder why its give as .600 when its the exact same thing as .60. as in, why the exta zero? marketing? classical case of "bigger number must indicate something better"? |
My understanding is that the 3rd digit usually indicates some kind of "versioning". I'm not a gun expert so my knowledge is limited in this area.
But to my knowledge a .223 bullet is the exact same diameter as a .22LR, and there is also .30-06, and .308 which are also the same size. Along with .50AE, .50 Baowulf, and .50 BMG. They may be in different shapes and different casings, but the diameter of the barrel is the same.
So if there were a different type of .60 diameter bullet, it would be a .601 or .602
WearzManySkins
May 30 2007, 11:52 PM
It came from the elephant gun, that fires that caliber, typically a double barreled side by side, with break open action.
That elephant gun was called by its users the 600 Nitro Express, Nitro Express is the cartridge brand name at one time. FYI there is 500 Nitro Express round also.
The original version of the elephant gun, transmitted all of the recoil to the firer, if not correctly handled, it broke shoulders, and other injures.
Is it the most power of the so called elephant guns calibers, no others have taken its place.

Technology marches on.
hobgoblin
May 30 2007, 11:54 PM
ugh, makes me think of how octal is designated. with a leading 0...
so 013 and 13 can be two different things or something like that...
WearzManySkins
May 31 2007, 12:11 AM
For the Nitro is was mostly spin, 600 sound more impressing than a 60.
For their time, elephant guns were highly priced weapons, so one needed all the spin one could get, when trying to market such weapons to those with lots of disposable income.
nezumi
May 31 2007, 01:29 PM
Are bullets with a diameter in excess of .50 even legal? I know you need a background check for silencers and machine guns, but I didn't think you could get such big bullets even with a background check (since no maximum size would let you buy artillery if you wanted).
psykotisk_overlegen
May 31 2007, 02:54 PM
QUOTE (nezumi @ May 31 2007, 08:29 AM) |
Are bullets with a diameter in excess of .50 even legal? I know you need a background check for silencers and machine guns, but I didn't think you could get such big bullets even with a background check (since no maximum size would let you buy artillery if you wanted). |
Maybe the distinction lies in artillery firing explosive shells, and elephant guns firing big (but relative to artillery shells, rather smallish) lumps of lead.
I don't know, this would vary form country to country. In Norway you wouldn't be able to buy machine guns at all, background check or no.
WearzManySkins
May 31 2007, 03:01 PM
QUOTE (nezumi) |
Are bullets with a diameter in excess of .50 even legal? I know you need a background check for silencers and machine guns, but I didn't think you could get such big bullets even with a background check (since no maximum size would let you buy artillery if you wanted). |
I know that shotguns that fire rifled slugs that large are illegal in most places in the US. As for pistols, I do not recall a limitation on bullet diameter.
Explosive rounds of any diameter are lets say restricted by Federal law.
WMS
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