Well... it is not marked as a skill you can not default on. but in the data search section is written, you make the test with Data search skill+ Browse Program.
What is with the Logic-Attribute? Do you ad it? (logic+skill+browse?)
if no, how can you default ?!
same goes for most hacking skills
Full Version: Data search....
Theres no defaulting as the data search skill is more about knowing how to refine search parameters for the browse program.
Theres an obscure note about doing matrix legwork, which ends up being social interaction test rather then a data search test. ( SR4 pg 220, 5th paragraph left column.)
Theres an obscure note about doing matrix legwork, which ends up being social interaction test rather then a data search test. ( SR4 pg 220, 5th paragraph left column.)
you default to browse program (which takes the place of attribute).
A linked Attribute is the Attribute to which you default if you don't have the skill. A lot of people seem to think that one always rolls the linked Attribute with the skill, but that's just not the case.
When searching the Matrix without a Data Search skill, one would have to default on the skill, which is linked to Logic. The dice pool would be (Logic - 1) + Browse.
When searching the Matrix without a Data Search skill, one would have to default on the skill, which is linked to Logic. The dice pool would be (Logic - 1) + Browse.
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| When searching the Matrix without a Data Search skill, one would have to default on the skill, which is linked to Logic. The dice pool would be (Logic - 1) + Browse. |
So for a Logic 9 character they can just dispense with that whole skill thing?
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So for a Logic 9 character they can just dispense with that whole skill thing? |
Which is why the optional rule of limiting successes to 2 times the skill, or one (or was it two?) if defaulting may be a good idea to use
the social interaction in matrix searches is really obscure...
if i search today in the internet for some information, i do not need to "talk" to any damn person....
and there would be the question: What kind of social interaction i would have to use----
if i search today in the internet for some information, i do not need to "talk" to any damn person....
and there would be the question: What kind of social interaction i would have to use----
The personal interaction aspect is not really all that obscure. Social Engineering and word-of-mouth have always been a part of truly effective criminal hacking and corporate espionage (which, naturally, is what you're usually doing with a techie char in Shadowrun).
Sure, if you want to find something simple: like the address of a business, concert dates, or the plot of a movie you haven't seen, you just plug in some search terms and you'll usually find them. But Google (or whatever) will generally avail you not if you wanted to find, say, the research data and chemical formula for Pfizer's next anti-impotence pill. For that, you're usually going to have to talk to someone (often several someones) and bribe or finesse your way into gaining access to the information you seek.
Data searches in Shadowrun are usually similar to the first example - only you're running your own version of Google that uses complicated algorithms to aggregate and sort through the available data according to the parameters you set. Which can both speed up the process and provide you with something more useful than a corporation's PR node.
But then, as now, there's some information that's just not going to be found on the public network. You can't just initiate a search for "super-secret research" and expect to hit real paydirt. Of course, a good Data Search can be quite helpful in providing you with the name of the people you need to lean on (or at least a clue on where to re-direct your search until you find them). And that's when you have to work your contacts, meet with paranoid strangers in dark alleys, and convince them that telling you what you want to know (or where to look for it) is worth the trouble.
Sure, if you want to find something simple: like the address of a business, concert dates, or the plot of a movie you haven't seen, you just plug in some search terms and you'll usually find them. But Google (or whatever) will generally avail you not if you wanted to find, say, the research data and chemical formula for Pfizer's next anti-impotence pill. For that, you're usually going to have to talk to someone (often several someones) and bribe or finesse your way into gaining access to the information you seek.
Data searches in Shadowrun are usually similar to the first example - only you're running your own version of Google that uses complicated algorithms to aggregate and sort through the available data according to the parameters you set. Which can both speed up the process and provide you with something more useful than a corporation's PR node.
But then, as now, there's some information that's just not going to be found on the public network. You can't just initiate a search for "super-secret research" and expect to hit real paydirt. Of course, a good Data Search can be quite helpful in providing you with the name of the people you need to lean on (or at least a clue on where to re-direct your search until you find them). And that's when you have to work your contacts, meet with paranoid strangers in dark alleys, and convince them that telling you what you want to know (or where to look for it) is worth the trouble.
you've got a point
I got 237,000 hits when I put super secret research into Google.
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| The personal interaction aspect is not really all that obscure. |
Obscure as in tucked at the very bottom of the Data search section, easy to miss if you don't read it all the way through.
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