It's a time dilation effect. Physics aren't changed. This has been discussed ad nauseum before. Sorry no movemented bullet effects.

Not a world breaker, just practically impossible to catch someone with movement on them unless you use spells and spirits yourself.

You have some sources, topics, URL?

I'm interested.

This issue has been discussed numerous times. And the time dilation answer is not the only positted one. But it's the best answer came up with for the age old question "Why does a bullet enhanced with movement reach a target a kilometer away in 1/2 a second, yet not inflict any extra damage for doing so?"

Time and Space move, effective speed is unchanged. Being enhanced or slowed by Movement does not make you hungrier, or catch fire, or do any of the other exciting things that would actually happen if you simply added an extra 100 kph to the speed of a running man inside of a 3 second time frame.

DocWagon vehicles are sometimes enhanced by Movement, and this causes them to get to their patients in less time. It doesn't cause them to run off the road and explode.

-Frank

Wouldn't it? It increases a vehicles speed and aren't the difficulty of the driving tests based off of speed?

I think more importantly that interpretation prevents GMs crying at the blatent misuse of the power.
"You want to do what with the remote rigged car going 1100mph?"

You get the idea.

No, it doesn't.

Understanding Movement as a magical power is sort of like understanding 3rd Ed Shadowrun Computers. Just as you have to take your understanding of the subject matter, and put it to the side. The sole ramification of Movement is that the recipient gets to their destination in 1/Force amount of the time it would normally take.

It is probably one of the more difficult effects for players to wrap their head around because it is counter-intuitive to physics based reasoning. On a symbolic level, Movement has no effect on the universe aside from being someplace faster. Somehow collisions, impact, inertia, etc... are magically unaffected.

As for dodging an arrow, bullets are already too fast to dodge. But people can dodge the aim of their attacker. Arrows are slow enough for normal people to sidestep in midflight, but for the sake of our sanity the Devs condensed the dodge rules into a single procedure.

I mean, imagine... having a GM keep track of arrows in flight because the archer has MBW and can fire faster than the arrows would hit their target. Or imagine super trolls that can run faster than the arrows can fly. Abschalten's speed adept build, Endzone, could fire an arrow and then catch it at the opposite end of a football field without using a parabolic arc.

I'm afraid you're wrong about that. In SR3 a critter using movement had to make a test to increase or decrease a vehicle's speed by a multiple of the acceleration rate of the vehicle - which you could continue to apply from turn to turn with the same maximum multiplier as normal. So, for example if you were using Movement on a Yamaha Rapier that was bringing itself up to speed from rest it would be increase in speed every round by its acceleration, and then also increase in speed by a variable amount times its speed based on how many 2s the spirit could get on its Force Test. So for example, a Force 6 spirit might get five 2s, at which point it would add five times the bike's acceleration each round (meaning that he bike would be accelerating at a total of six times normal) until it achieved its maximum of 1404 kilometers per hour.

Really the only difference between Movement in 3rd versus the way it worked in 1st, 2nd, or 4th is that in specifically 3rd edition it was possible to use Movement to accelerate a car which was at rest (though what this actually did was anyone's guess), it was very conceivable that you might get more than ForceX speed increase out of a small vehicle, the rules explicitly allowed you to apply the vehicle's enhanced speed to crash tests (meaning that you could make "car missiles"), and it took several extra minutes to get an oil tanker up to full speed.

I understand that many people remember the 3rd edition Movement rules as being somehow "reasonable" - but they weren't. The 3rd edition special rules for Vehicles and Movement closed no loopholes and specifically created a number of additional loopholes which were bullshit.

-Frank

...that was not the way it was explained to me when I addressed the issue to the SRIII FAQ. I was told that it only affected the acceleration/deceleration up to/down from the vehicle's actual max move rate and did not increase the maximum speed the vehicle could travel at.

I can't vouch for what people on the internets say, only what the book says.

The only limit on top sped is in the first paragraph where it talks about the general case. The second paragraph simply says that you can continue to use Movement round after round to increase speed. If the Yamaha Rapier in the example isn't limited to 1404 KPH under 3rd edition rules, it's because it isn't limited at all.

Really. The 3rd edition Movement rules were both confusing and bad. They were a distinct step backwards as compared to the 2nd edition Movement rules, and 4th edition going back to the 2nhd edition rules is therefore a step forward.

-Frank

...ahh but this was direct from the Fanpro Shadowrun "official" website back in '05, not DS or any other forum. This was in response to my concerns of having a team of PC runners driving a VW SuperKombi at near jetliner speeds on a Hungarian highway which just didn't seem right.

Be that as it may, I do agree that the SRIII movement rules were a pain particularly with that segmented movement per action pass. I preferred the old SR2 movement mechanic as well (sans magic & spirit assist).

LOL...

I'd give you an answer but you didn't specify the length of track between the two cities.

Yes. In fact, I've always assumed they did... At least on the effects of magic on the "real world", not necessarily including math problems unless you're hermetic. Shamans, obviously, are typically too high to do the math.

"How long before the trains meet?"
"Orange."
"But... That isn't a time! It's a color!"
"No it's not, dude! It's how the time tastes!"

...just watch out for that rock in the road.

Hey kids, what time is it?

...it's spatula time!

It has been a point of open speculation since First Edition: Why do suborbitals even exist? You've been able to outrun them with 757s and spirit movement since at least 2050.

We know that DocWagon ambulances take advantage of this, but noone has really come up with a great explanation for why suborbital transport happens.

-Frank

...the concept is called "external burning"and differs from a conventional ramjet in that it uses the shock wave created by the aircraft as the "engine".

Even a spirit assisted spaceplane still has to withstand the heat of hypersonic friction with the air and re-entry along with the associated stress factors. The materials alone will make it an expensive bird.

And let's just say for the sake of argument, a rogue Lion Shaman banishes the spirit lifting the plane into the suborbital reaches. Suddenly, with no (or inadequate) engines to provide enough thrust for maintaining stability and attitude control in the rarefied atmosphere of suborbital space the plane is pretty much doomed. Remember what happened to Chuck Yeager when he took that rocket assisted F-104 to the fringe of space & had no engine thrust when the rockets were spent? It's called a deep flat spin. The only way to save your bacon is to punch out which I do not think would be an option on a passenger carrying aerospacecraft.

Agreed on the plot hook though, it does make for an interesting slant: magoterrorism.

...the comment based on the "Cheaper Plane" ideal (e.g. the spirit powered 757 vs. a dedicated suborbital or spaceplane). This infers that the aircraft is totally dependent on the Spirit and not on technology to work properly. Put that 757 at 100,000M altitude and suddenly take it's spirit away (through banishing, spell, or astral combat). At that altitude its flight controls and engines would be totally useless and the fuselage would most likely succumb to catastrophic fatigue due to the extreme pressure differential.

Furthermore, messing with the spirit means no incoming bogey and no missile track to show up on sensors.

Of course this is in reference to suborbital altitude ops. I guess that 757 could fly at 14,000M but it would make on hell of a sonic boom traveling at double digit mach numbers.

As to possessing the pilot, that wouldn't necessarily work if the flight deck or cabin is warded.

No, you're doing physics again. I'm not even sure if it would show it's real speed or the movement speed to Doppler radar.

...I got it...cyberzombies...legions upon legions of cyberzombies to disrupt the manasphere so science can once again reign supreme!

...Oh, Benson! I feel the power of evil coursing through my veins, filling every corner of my being with the desire to do wrong! I feel so bad, Benson!..."
--the Evil Genius form Time Bandits

I must point out that a warded cabin will also protect any spirit providing magical assistance to the plane. I must also point out tat a ward won't prevent a magician with LOS from blowing a wing off with a fireball.

...#! ionly if it bonded to the interior of the cabin. If it it outside the plane, it is outside the ward.

...#2 again messy and too visible, just like the SAM.