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Fuchs
In my campaign, there are no immortal elves. There might be some things, that claim to be elves, look like elves, and act like immortal elves of times past, but they are not really metahuman in any sense of the word.

If they - should they exist - are spirits, horrors, horror constructs, demons, or mages who sold their soul to those aforementioned is another question. As is the question if some or all of them are even aware of this.

But it offers a lot of opportunities for those who like twisted links to some dark past world, yet don't want to have elves be special in the 6th world. At least I think the idea that the elves "rediscovering their culture" are actually being manipulated by some inhuman things posing as elven leaders for whatever dark goals they have offers a lot of possibilities.
Critias
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Mercer
Immortal Elves in my game are the SR conspiracy theorist's MIB. "The power went out in Snohomish? Immortal Elves did it!"
Grinder
Critias, I think your theory is not 100% correct.
Critias
QUOTE (Grinder)
Critias, I think your theory is not 100% correct.

Like I said, that's always a remote possibility. wink.gif I just remember one for sure that had to do naughty things with naughty beings in order to get ahold of her immortality. I'm not sure with all the rest, though.
Kagetenshi
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~J
Ophis
Aina is covered by Critias' theory. Kage seems to be right about the others.
Pabloj
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If Immortal elves are a product of Dragon genes (is this canon?), maybe dragons mated with other races and therefore have other immortal non elves around.
Ophis
QUOTE (Pabloj)
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If Immortal elves are a product of Dragon genes (is this canon?), maybe dragons mated with other races and therefore have other immortal non elves around.

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But spell spoiler right.

On Topic - There is canon evidence of other dragon-metahuman hybrids, in ED but they don't seem immortal, human ones are mentioned, so it may be an Elf-dragon genetic interaction.
Critias
So, either way, the point stands -- what IE's there already are in the system aren't necessarily all that "Elven" any more, the way other living, breathing, sane, rational, metahumans are. And it's pure canon.
Ancient History
There is the strong intimation that IEs aren't just your average dragonkin elves, but may possibly have been affected by a dragon ritual.

But sure, there are certainly cases of Faustian bargains with Horrors (or, possibly, other entities) in ED and SR.
CircuitBoyBlue
Harlequin spoilers (not really, but enough I figure there should be a tag).

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Zhan Shi
Near the end of the Second Age, the Great Dragons "gifted" certain elves with the immortality gene, presumably via some form of unknown metamagic. The idea was that the IEs would rule in the GDs stead. Along comes the Fourth Age. The dragons wake up, and receive a big middle finger from the IEs. A war ensues, and eventually a truce is declared. At least some of the first IEs were magically bound to their dragon masters, in a manner similar to created drakes. Various info on the subject is scattered across Prelude to War, Blood Wood, Barsaive at War, The Book of Dragons, Mists of Betrayal, and the Dragonheart trilogy.
Ravor
Personally the way I run IEs is that during the downcycle they either had to go dorment or turn to some really nasty Blood Magic in order to keep enough Mana infused in their being to remain active.

Of course, several thousand years of being force to be ritual serial killers tends to leave them as twisted husks of what they once were.
Fortune
QUOTE (Fuchs)
In my campaign, there are no immortal elves.

But ... but ... but ... frown.gif
Kyoto Kid
QUOTE (Fortune)
QUOTE (Fuchs @ Nov 29 2007, 12:14 AM)
In my campaign, there are no immortal elves.

But ... but ... but ... frown.gif

...Do you want to live forever?

---Valeria from Conan the Barbarian 1982. grinbig.gif
Ancient History
QUOTE (Zhan Shi)
Near the end of the Second Age, the Great Dragons "gifted" certain elves with the immortality gene, presumably via some form of unknown metamagic. The idea was that the IEs would rule in the GDs stead. Along comes the Fourth Age. The dragons wake up, and receive a big middle finger from the IEs. A war ensues, and eventually a truce is declared. At least some of the first IEs were magically bound to their dragon masters, in a manner similar to created drakes. Various info on the subject is scattered across Prelude to War, Blood Wood, Barsaive at War, The Book of Dragons, Mists of Betrayal, and the Dragonheart trilogy.

Keep in mind most of what Zhan Shi is saying is open to interpretation, having been gleaned and pieced together from references across many sourcebooks, and some of it appears to be original to him-the metamagic technique and the magical bonding at least. That isn't to say he's wrong, there's just no explicit reference as such in canon.
Fortune
QUOTE (Kyoto Kid)
...Do you want to live forever?

Absolutely! biggrin.gif
Kyoto Kid
...actually I think that IEs would make the ultimate couch potatoes. You know you're going to live forever, why plot & connive or even have any sense of urgency? So, grab the remote & plop yourself down in front of the Trivd with a sixer or two of Spud Lite & a party size bag of Orc Rinds. The world will still be there next century... grinbig.gif devil.gif
Stahlseele
yeah, one of my actual pet peeves with the immoral elves . . why do they do anything? just .. place some money into some funds and watch them grow or something like that . . if you're carefull and good, half the world will belong to you in no time(for you) . . why KILL someone? just wait and watch them die on their own . .
Kagetenshi
Because "inhumanly long-lived" and "inhumanly patient" do not necessarily go hand-in-hand.

~J
hyzmarca
But "Inhumanly long-lived" and "Inhumanly bored" do go hand in hand.

"Gee, Alachia, what do you want to do tonight?"

"The same thing we do every night, Pinky, try to take over the world."


The bored as fuck world domination cycle is pretty self-perpetuating. Conquer the world, rule the world, figure out that ruling the world is boring as fuck, stop ruling the world, twiddle thumbs while your former subjects destroy themselves in your absence, and conquer the world again.
Kyoto Kid
..."*narf*"

--Harlequin grinbig.gif
Ravor
Also never forget that they have a huge ticking clock looming over their heads counting down the seconds until the next Scourge, the only problem is that in this cycle someone has been fraqing around with the Mana Levels and no-one really knows for sure when the gates will open again.

Imagine waking up each morning knowing that you'll never age but wondering if today is the day the world ends once more.
Stahlseele
QUOTE (Kagetenshi)
Because "inhumanly long-lived" and "inhumanly patient" do not necessarily go hand-in-hand.

~J

ye gods, if i knew i had near infinity, that would be the first thing i'd try to learn, just because i don't want to get bored soon x.x . . .
patience is waiting for something to happen
getting bored is not being patient enough in my eyes ^^
NightLife
QUOTE (Zhan Shi)
Near the end of the Second Age, the Great Dragons "gifted" certain elves with the immortality gene, presumably via some form of unknown metamagic. The idea was that the IEs would rule in the GDs stead. Along comes the Fourth Age. The dragons wake up, and receive a big middle finger from the IEs. A war ensues, and eventually a truce is declared. At least some of the first IEs were magically bound to their dragon masters, in a manner similar to created drakes. Various info on the subject is scattered across Prelude to War, Blood Wood, Barsaive at War, The Book of Dragons, Mists of Betrayal, and the Dragonheart trilogy.

Got any notes left on that sequel to Harlequin?
wind_in_the_stones
QUOTE (Stahlseele)
. . if you're carefull and good, half the world will belong to you in no time(for you) . . why KILL someone? just wait and watch them die on their own . .

You all forget that all the people you're trying to take control of the world from are just like you - they don't die either. And they have long bank accounts, just like you. And if any of you get exposed, there will be open revolt amongst the pawns.

Makes it interesting.


As for my campaigns, there are immortals of all races - Norse dwarves, leprechauns, even humans. The dwarves have less patience and less finesse than most, and constantly run afoul of the elves and dragons.
Kyoto Kid
...your only immortal as long as long as that bullet (or Tungsten Rod/Bovine from orbit) with your name on it doesn't find you. grinbig.gif
Stahlseele
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your only immortal as long as long as that bullet (or Tungsten Rod/Bovine from orbit) with your name on it doesn't find you

"I have a Bullet with your name on it . . and i will shoot at you untill i have found it!"
"A Bullet may have your name on it . . but Shrapnell is adressed:'to whom it concerns'!"
sorry, i could not help myself <.< . .

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The dwarves have less patience and less finesse than most

despite them getting a +1 on their willpower?
wind_in_the_stones
Yeah, something about Ragnarok. The dragons don't want them bringing about the end-times. Willpower translates to stubborness, not patience, in this case.
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