Hocus Pocus
May 9 2008, 03:25 AM
I've gone back and forth on some games due to my binge, but I've settled, i think finally, on replaying tactics. I forgot how great a game this one was, and my old memory card had the save of 10 years ago. Great story and intrigue, lots of characters and gameplay. just all round great game.
"blazing bolts of electrict!
"heavn's wish to destroy all minds
master of all swords, cut energy!
kupo! round and round you go moogle
Platinum
May 9 2008, 03:36 AM
I've been playing Syndicate. Nothing better than hitting enemy agents with a persuadatron and a gauss gun.
mrslamm0
May 9 2008, 02:32 PM
QUOTE (Platinum @ May 8 2008, 08:36 PM)
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I've been playing Syndicate. Nothing better than hitting enemy agents with a persuadatron and a gauss gun.
Oh man do I ever miss that again..I need to find eather that or Syndicate wars again and something to slow down my computer with to play it =)
Critias
May 9 2008, 02:59 PM
As much as I loved the theme/feel/idea of Syndicate, I could just never get into the gameplay.
FF Tactics remains a classic, though, and one of my favorite RPGs ever.
DocTaotsu
May 9 2008, 03:22 PM
What they need to do is make Syndicate and X-Com over again... but not totally shitty like they've been doing so far.
and Final Fantasy Tactics is one of my favorite games, I like the GBA version as well although the story ain't half of what it should be.
Aren't they making a new one?
Blade
May 9 2008, 03:25 PM
@mrslammo: Just use DosBox, it should get both running fine.
Which reminds me that I still haven't managed to finish that mission in the city that's getting destroyed by Thor shots.
JonathanC
May 9 2008, 06:27 PM
Tactics was great, the GBA game not so much.
"Life is short...BURY! Stasis Sword!"
Hocus Pocus
May 10 2008, 03:45 AM
the syndicates were interesting, but i never got into them, maybe it was just too weird.
"Life's refreshing breeze, blow in energy! Cure!"
DocTaotsu
May 10 2008, 11:49 PM
So what, no X-Com fans? The original X-Com is locked in a brutal fight to the death with Alpha Centauri for my favorite game of all time.
Wounded Ronin
May 10 2008, 11:59 PM
X Com was way to difficult for me. After a couple battles the aliens would start using mental attacks and my whole squad would basically automatically drop dead. Plus I was playing it using DOSBOX and the enemy turns went in fast forward so that it was very hard to figure out where they were and what they were doing.
I really liked Syndicate, though, even though the flamers and the persuadertron were too powerful.
DocTaotsu
May 11 2008, 12:38 AM
Ah yeah, super speed alien turns makes the game much much harder to play. I started playing X-Com back when it first came out so I'm able to fill in a lot of the blanks (like using my cursor to hunt for them in black squares).
The only way to deal with the mental attacks is make a beeline towards researching stun bombs... or having everyone running around a with a stun prod, ready to stun the crap out of every grey skin you see. I think that's probably the hardest transition point in the game.
It also helps to keep your heavy weapons guy... nowhere near the rest of your teams. That turns out badly.
Blade
May 11 2008, 12:46 AM
Looks like my roommate had found how to make X-Com much easier. He basically only sent vehicles. The remaining soldiers just stayed in the ship, ocasionally coming out with guided missile launcher to shoot at some targets.
I've never really enjoyed X-Com. I prefered Jagged Alliance as far as squad turn-based games were concerned.
@Wounded Ronin: you should try Syndicate Wars, or Syndicate: American Revolt. No more standing around corners waiting for the enemy to run through the flames of your "highly effective crowd control solution." (I just love Syndicate's understatements)
Fix-it
May 11 2008, 05:06 AM
I'm going to throw a shout for Fallout: Tactics.
burning through robots with a hip-fired ma deuce is too much fun.
imperialus
May 11 2008, 05:44 AM
QUOTE (DocTaotsu @ May 9 2008, 08:22 AM)
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What they need to do is make Syndicate and X-Com over again... but not totally shitty like they've been doing so far.
and Final Fantasy Tactics is one of my favorite games, I like the GBA version as well although the story ain't half of what it should be.
Aren't they making a new one?
UFO Extraterrestrials was a pretty good X-Com clone, especially if you download BMan's mod for it which makes it play a lot more like the orriginal X-Com. X-Com was something of an obsession of mine through most of middle school. That and Might and Magic III, Isles of Terra.
I eventually got to the point with the original X-Com that I could beat the game without using any alien technology apart from the Avenger to get to Mars. It was kinda weird watching soldiers run around Mars with T-Shirts and autocannons.. I never did manage to beat it without a base though as some people have.
DocTaotsu
May 11 2008, 08:30 AM
Make that two servings of love for Fallout:Tactics. I never finished the last mission (and have since lost the disks and my saved games) but I recall some fond adventures with light infantry and automatic weaponry.
My favorite mission is the one where you're driving through that city filled with super mutants half of which are trying to snipe you out with RPG's. I clearly remember dodging (such as you can in a turn based game) behind buildings and stuff, watching the RPG trails streak all around me.
That game was awesome.
Plus you could shoot people in the groin.
PBTHHHHT
May 11 2008, 08:54 PM
QUOTE (DocTaotsu @ May 11 2008, 03:30 AM)
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Plus you could shoot people in the groin.
Any game that allows for such targetting gets a bonus star!
Wounded Ronin
May 12 2008, 04:55 AM
I like how in Fallout 2 in the interests of feminism they made it so that groin attacks also affect females. In Fallout 1 women were apparently immune to groin pain.
Adarael
May 12 2008, 10:22 PM
There's actually an amazing text string triggered by certain groin crits on women:
"[Character] is critically hit in the groin for [X] damage. She takes it like a man! That is to say, it hurts a lot."
Also, X-Com? Pretty much my favorite game ever. I've beat it more times than I can remember. No, honestly. I have no idea. I love it, I do.
DocTaotsu
May 12 2008, 11:33 PM
What's not to love? It was the first computer/video game that made me utterly terrified of the dark. Sure Doom might have daemons but X-Com had terror missions in New Delphi where I couldn't see what the hellwasgoingonandOHMYGODTHEY'RESHOOTINGTHROUGHTHEWALLS.
It was every great movie about alien invasion combined with squad level combat.
And it had anime styling without being totally lame. That in itself should merit an award.
Fabe
May 12 2008, 11:52 PM
QUOTE (DocTaotsu @ May 10 2008, 07:49 PM)
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So what, no X-Com fans? The original X-Com is locked in a brutal fight to the death with Alpha Centauri for my favorite game of all time.
Put me down as a fan of X-Com, I bought the game when it came out and love it. Great mix of tactical battles and resource management. one of my favorite strategies latter in the game was to mind control a few aliens and use them as point men.
DocTaotsu
May 12 2008, 11:55 PM
Alien pointmen were always fun but I'm a big softie for mind controlling the guy carrying the blaster bomb.
"Xebrax! What are you *SHOOOOOOOM!*"
I used to like hitting UFO's I'd beat up pretty bad in the sky so I could pop a blaster bomb in through a hole in the roof. The other strategy was to use my people (or mind controlled aliens) to open doors for blaster bomb launches. Good times all around.
Fabe
May 13 2008, 12:04 AM
QUOTE (DocTaotsu @ May 12 2008, 07:55 PM)
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Alien pointmen were always fun but I'm a big softie for mind controlling the guy carrying the blaster bomb.
"Xebrax! What are you *SHOOOOOOOM!*"
I used to like hitting UFO's I'd beat up pretty bad in the sky so I could pop a blaster bomb in through a hole in the roof. The other strategy was to use my people (or mind controlled aliens) to open doors for blaster bomb launches. Good times all around.
Ah yes the good old blaster bomb launcher,always fun, except when you miscalculate a turn and have the thing hit a corner and take out a few of your own guys. You ever have a interceptor follow a UFO instead of shooting it down in the hopes if it leading you to a base?
DocTaotsu
May 13 2008, 03:00 AM
I have indeed, I actually even did recon by scrambling interceptors to where I thought they were all disapearing to.
Oh... and BOO laser weapons. BOOoooo...
The only thing they were good for was selling.
Did you ever read the X-Com book? Not half bad actually, and they have an entertaining scene where the base commander is reflecting on all the mysterious men who arrive to purchase alien weaponry. Of course they pay cash so he really didn't care all that much.
Blade
May 13 2008, 01:32 PM
I discovered X-Com with a demo.
It was kind of strange because IIRC it featured things that weren't in X-Com (such as robot PCs) and art from UFO.
Anyway, at that time I didn't really appreciate the game since when I ordered a team member to shoot an alien 3m away with a rocket launcher he didn't only manage to miss the alien, but also managed to shoot right into one of his teammate standing left or right to him! Then came the alien turn, where a lot of aliens rushed (moving 5 times faster than my guys) towards what remained of my men after their friendly fire party and did not just kill them, but transformed them into aliens as well.
Most of the time, I closed the game when I finally managed to kill one of that "alienified" guy to discover that he split into two "alienifiers" aliens.
DocTaotsu
May 13 2008, 05:23 PM
Wow that must be a pretty early build
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Or a demo of one of the crappy spinoff sequels.
Blade
May 13 2008, 06:27 PM
I guess it was an early build, because it was really called X-COM: Terror From The Deep.
DocTaotsu
May 13 2008, 06:33 PM
Ah no! That was the sequel. The sequel was actually decent but just not as... cool, as the original.
It's the games that came after. X-Com interceptor, X-Com Armaggedon, X-Com.... *shudder* Enforcer
Hocus Pocus
May 15 2008, 05:27 AM
trying to remember. dunno if I ever played x-com. I vaguely thing I did from the stills i could find, but can't remember fer sure...
'Layer upon layer make your mark now...Haste!"
Adarael
May 16 2008, 04:29 PM
Terror from the Deep was much, MUCH harder than the first game.
Fabe
May 17 2008, 04:34 AM
All this X-com talk was the perfect motivator for me to buy Terror From the Deep from steam,only $4.95. I kicked alien ass the first time around,now for round two!
DocTaotsu
May 17 2008, 11:57 PM
Oh poor Fabe, just wait till they start matter controling him and shooting him with /real/ guns.
First ones always free man
Fabe
May 18 2008, 12:06 AM
QUOTE (DocTaotsu @ May 17 2008, 07:57 PM)
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Oh poor Fabe, just wait till they start matter controling him and shooting him with /real/ guns.
First ones always free man
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Hell I just barely started and already things seem harder then the first game, guess the aliens are a bit pissed off over Cydonia.
DocTaotsu
May 18 2008, 12:17 AM
Yeah... I have to admit that I really didn't like the whole "X-Com... the water!" dynamic though. That said the new terror missions (on sunny tropical islands) and the big cruise/cargo ship clearing missions are awesome.
Like I said, I curse the gaming gods for denying me a straight X-Com sequel where I can reshoulder that Heavy Plasma Rifle and smoke some motherfucking aliens on this motherf- sorry
Fabe
May 18 2008, 12:28 AM
QUOTE (DocTaotsu @ May 17 2008, 08:17 PM)
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Yeah... I have to admit that I really didn't like the whole "X-Com... the water!" dynamic though. That said the new terror missions (on sunny tropical islands) and the big cruise/cargo ship clearing missions are awesome.
A friend has already warred me that the cruise ship missions a very hard and take place on huge maps.
QUOTE (DocTaotsu @ May 17 2008, 08:17 PM)
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Like I said, I curse the gaming gods for denying me a straight X-Com sequel where I can reshoulder that Heavy Plasma Rifle and smoke some motherfucking aliens on this motherf- sorry
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Don't be, I would love to see X-Com come back big time,hell I was just looking on Wikipedia and it looked like Hasbro had
big plans for the series be for they shut down thier computer game division.
DocTaotsu
May 18 2008, 12:35 AM
I swear that if I ever become absurdly wealthy I'm forcing Josh Wheedon to finish Firefly and I'm forcing the guys who made X-Com to make a proper damn sequel.
It'll be like Misery but with programing.
Blade
May 18 2008, 01:48 AM
QUOTE (Fabe @ May 18 2008, 02:28 AM)
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A friend has already warred me that the cruise ship missions a very hard and take place on huge maps.
IIRC my roommate found it easier just to ignore terror mission, or just fail them, rather than lose all his men on hopeless missions. He also found the game really easy once he started sending only tanks into battle, with the occasional help from a guided rocket. The rest of the team just stayed in the ship.
Hocus Pocus
May 19 2008, 10:09 PM
I'm at the part where we are introduced to the brother (malak) and sister (rafa). such a tragic tale, lost their parents in the 50 years war, raised by someone who only wants to use them for their magical skills. Just before, the noble wiegraf, destraught at his sister's death and his noble goal of equal rights and compensation for the service in the war, desparate he offers his spirit and becomes demon possessed, a tragedy cuase he feels the only way to acheieve his goal is power. Gafgarion was also in the same boat, cynical, a merenary only out for himself and willing to do what it took for the next pay score.
"Legendary sword that kills freely! Asura!"
Hocus Pocus
May 26 2008, 02:42 PM
[ Spoiler ]
was finally able to play this. Going to riovannes to rescue alma. it was a 3 part battle that lead into chapter 4. The begining has Barinten realising who holds the true power, the church and their shrine nights, who he requests and audience with vormav, his son islude, and wiegraf. Barinten realises the stones power and wants to join the church if they refuse he has the germinok scriptures that paint St. Ajora in a bad light. But Barinten doesn't know the true power of the stones which Varmav accesses it before we leave the scene. Alma is in her prison, when she hears fighting, she hears screams of death and one guard opens the door and collapses by her side, saying there is a monster and that she should run. Alma ever the caring spirit holds his hand until he passes and bracing herself with reslove ventures forth into the melee to try and escape.
First you fight malak and his group at the gate entrance, rafa trying to convice him that barinten is bad, but he escapes after he has low life and rafa disappears after him when you win the stage a guard comes out of the door and collapses saying there is a monster.
2nd battle has you enter the courtyard place and there is weigraf. Ramza says Miluda would be ashamed of him, but the stone has consumed wiegraf and he states that he could care less about Miluda's death and that he wants to bring distruction to the world. You fight (which is one of the hardest battles of the game, but all you gotta do is have auto potion on and accumulate with guts until your one monk hit takes him for 999 damage, which is 15 accumulates) and when you knock him down, he disappears, only to reaapear a distance away and calls unpon the stones' power. You fight ( still have accumulate going so one hit will do him in) and right before he dies, he excalims "they are only human!" before he explodes in a flash of light. Ramza's search for alma continues.
Alma finds the place where barinten and vormav "negotiated" corpses lie everywhere, including that of vormav's son Izlude. Though he possed a stone he did not know the true power and so fought alone side the others to try and defeat the demon vormav turned into. Alma was about to leave, when she heard him stir, ran to his side, and helped him as best she could. Izlude realised ramza was right and gave alma his holy stone, then he "needed to rest" and died. Vormav appeard, sensed wiegraf's death and was about to kill alma when his stone reacted to her. He was pleasantly suprised and quickly subdued alma and disappear with her, but he didn't notice the stone alma was given by Izlude fell out before the left.
3rd. we cut to barinten on the roof, confronted by rafa determined to avenge the death of her and malak's parents. she draws her sword, but barinten has a gun (ancient technology) and points it at her exclaiming that (in a round about way) he was responsible for their parents death. Malak over hears it and asks if it is true that he killed them, barinten says "you turn against me to?" but rafa advances. Malak yells no! and pushes her out of the way right before barinten shoots. Instead of killing her he kills malak. He demands the holy stone malak has, rafa gets it off malak but before she could give it to him. An assassin lede walks up behind barinten, he turns around startled and is pick up with one hand by her. She calmly tosses him off the roof to his death. two more people enter the scene, Lede's fellow assassin Ceclia and Elmdor, the silver haird noble who died fighting elsewhere, but somehow he is here in the flesh. He demands the stone, but Ramza warns rafa that the 3 aren't human and don't give it to them. they fight, and when elmdor is down to a few hp he disappears demand to give him all the sontes in Ramza's possession or never see alma alive again.
Back to the roof, Rafa is watching the sun come up sitting beside malak's body, she laments of better times, and ramza stading near, decides to leave to give her some time alone, but just as he was about to turn, rafa's holy stone reacts and thinking that it shares her loss she thanks and accepts it, ramza warns her but it is already in the process of bringing malak back to life, not as a demon, but human. It seems that it depends on who holds the stone and their intentions. Alive, Malak, rafa, and Ramza talk in the courtyard about their next move. Ramza decides to go and talk to Delita.
so begins capter 4, and prince larg massing his army for an all out battle and a pivital supply depot for both sides. this will make or break either side
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