Just wondering if plans were in the works for a New York writeup similar to the information presented for the Denver campaign. There's a little information available in Runner's Havens, but more detail would be nice before I create a character. Thanks!

Robert (aka Spanner)

New York gets a few pages in Corporate Enclaves that details some of the important bits, such as Corp Group that bought up and redeveloped Manhanttan Island. It's not real in depth, but it's got the basic meat you want.

I know Dunner has his plate full at the moment, including but not limited to GenCon, Missions, and coralling us Missions authors.

My recommended reading list would be: NAGNA which had about 8-10 pages on NYC, Corp Enclaves which had information about updating to 2070 as Bull mentioned. Beyond that SRM 03-00 does a good job (at least I hope it does) of laying out the new status quo and introducing players to the differences of life in NYC versus Denver or the other metroplexes.

Key take-aways from the reading should be:

-Having a solid fake SIN is required, having two is better.
-Don't take anything on to Manhattan Island that you don't mind leaving there.
-Vehicle permits are just as important as weapon permits.
-Screw the corps, hug a Neo-A!
(Alright, that last one may not be valid, but I fully support it.)

Trouble is, by the time anyone plays SRM03-00, they will, perforce, have already made up their Missions character.

I very much share RobertB's concerns about needing more background info on NYC to make up a meaningful character background (assuming he is local) and, even more important, relevant local contacts.

The Corp Enclaves tidbits are good as far as they go, but gee whiz, I can't be the only one that lost track of their NAGNA ages ago, assuming it was just too old to still be relevant.

Since, as noted above, key people are very busy right now, here is one idea - since it is out of print, what about reposting the NYC section of NAGNA somewhere public?
(I know, some sort of heinous copyright mess with some former company???)

If that is impossible, could a few things be confirmed for me by anyone in the know?
- Is it still the same split between three law enforcement contractors, with checkerboarded precincts, and one always being overseen by another as an anti-corruption device? And those three companies were...Winter Systems? Knight Errant? NYPD Inc? Maybe?

- Corp enclaves indicates that everything is pretty much locked down tight except for the Neo-A part of the island. Should we really take that to mean no street gangs? What about organized crime, even if it keeps a low profile, keeps violence off the streets, and deals mainly in vice? If there is an OC presence, who? Mafia? Vory? Yaks? Triads?

- Are there still major ethnic sections of town, such as Chinatown and Little Italy, etc?

- Any ideas on which corps in particular handle contracts such as sanitation, electicical infrastructure, etc?

Sorry all, I meant Corporate Enclaves instead of Runner Havens. And to that point, there's not a lot of information in that book that helps with creating a character for that area. It's very high-level.




And you see, since I'd like to play a rigger, that second point worries me. Losing drones every mission can be an expensive proposition. Perhaps the setting information from SRM03-00 could be sanitized and posted?

Robert (aka Spanner)

I have to agree with Spanner on this one, I run a rigger as well and drones costing between 2k and 15k well thats alot more so since in anything with a body of three or higher your losing a drone and a weapon..and um..no one wants to play a char thats not going to be shooting people so..ya we riggers need our rolling,flying,crawling toys. After all with out our guns we are just..cabbys..no wait this is NY, um..we are just people with nice cars

Well, two things spring to mind...

1) Contacts that can provide you with Permits might be worth taking at Chargen, or at the very least, purchasing several Fake SINs and the appropriate Equipment permits to go with it. Honestly, this holds true for any Shadowrun game.

2) The Missions writers want you to have fun. So I'd trust that they'd provide ways around these problems for any halfway competent runner

Or, ya know, we could just hate riggers with the fiery passions of 10,000 burning suns.

More seriously, I cannot comment on the question posited by the thread title at this time.

*gets his suntan lotion out and starts reading a hackers guide to grid guide*

Its cool dunner saying you can't comment is better then no comment.

As a rigger who has played in 2 missions already, I can say I have gotten more drones than I've lost (which is the opposite of Denver right now for me) As was posted, good fake SIN, good fake Licenses, good programs (and spoof chips).. oh and <cue music> sell out! with me tonight, sell out! with me alright!</end music> Also, I find that having a good ride (Rover 2068) and a good face riding along makes things flow smoother (think border crossings in Denver). And use terms like "independent securities provider" on your licenses

And remember, you're Shadowrunning not running in and Blowing Shit Up or just Shooting People in the Face for Money. That kinda crap seems like it'll get you hosed much faster in NYC than it would have in Denver.

You tell me that now, AFTER I made the character that does nothing but Shoot People in the Face for Money. And Stab Them in the Face for Money. And Slice Their Face Off with a Monowhip for Money.

Oh, and for Drugs.

Might explain why I was unconscious and you were at a deadly wound in our first Missions game, come to think of it...

I must agree with bull here, and as you said caz Shadowrunner, Shadowrunner is a malajusted person with major metal issues, who likes hurting people, becouse if that was not the case they all would be hackers

no can't say that my hackers like shooting people in the face too, and my adepts,and mercs,mages, ya I just like shooting people in the face.

*buys bull a drink*

- Is it still the same split between three law enforcement contractors, with checkerboarded precincts, and one always being overseen by another as an anti-corruption device? And those three companies were...Winter Systems? Knight Errant? NYPD Inc? Maybe?

There are still multiple security companies running around with their nose in each other's business.

- Corp enclaves indicates that everything is pretty much locked down tight except for the Neo-A part of the island. Should we really take that to mean no street gangs? What about organized crime, even if it keeps a low profile, keeps violence off the streets, and deals mainly in vice? If there is an OC presence, who? Mafia? Vory? Yaks? Triads?

Yes, there is an organized crime presence. It is drastically smaller than it was in Denver. IIRC, the big three are all there, I do not recall mention of the Vory in NYC. That said, if I can convince Dunner to let me go wandering around Brighton Beach with creative license, I will try to bring the Vory on the scene to some degree--I have a lot of fun with them.

- Are there still major ethnic sections of town, such as Chinatown and Little Italy, etc?

To my knowledge, yes. Their ambiences have shifted a bit, but I don't believe they have gone away.

- Any ideas on which corps in particular handle contracts such as sanitation, electicical infrastructure, etc?

Corporate Enclaves lists the 13 corporations in the MDC. I believe it also separates their specialties.

RobertB--Those rules don't necessarily apply to NYC alone. In my opinion, a shadowrunner should always be willing to ditch gear if it stands between him and success. That doesn't mean as a rigger I want to lose my drones, but I'm willing to if it's the difference between surviving and facing the gentle love of Knight Errant's holding cells.

Bull--The street sam and weapon specialist, even the demolitionist, are all valid archtypes for play in the NYC Missions. We've all played long enough to know when to shoot people in the face for money, and when to bide our time and snipe them at 1,000m while driving away. All that said, I will applaud the first runner who detonates several kgs of Rating 15 Plastique inside the MDC headquarters.

True, but you singled out this factor for the New York Missions. To me, that implies a harsher environment for equipment in the NY scenarios as compared to those that have gone before.

So, do you say "yes" you are more likely to leave behind equipment in a NY Mission event than previously, or "no" it's the same risk as always? (With the caveat that everything has a fake SIN, license, and permit.)

Robert (aka Spanner)

Bull--The street sam and weapon specialist, even the demolitionist, are all valid archtypes for play in the NYC Missions. We've all played long enough to know when to shoot people in the face for money, and when to bide our time and snipe them at 1,000m while driving away. All that said, I will applaud the first runner who detonates several kgs of Rating 15 Plastique inside the MDC headquarters.
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You're on.

As I recall Corporate Enclaves had a Manhattan Write up not on New York which means you have a very large section of city that isn't a Corporate stronghold. So your assumptions all need work, Manhattan is the the high security corporate stronghold there is NO reason to believe the rest of New York (which still belongs to the UCAS)

Total Land Area of Manhattan 22.96
Total Land Area of New York 304.8 square miles, thats todays New York,

Its the New York campaign not the Manhattan Campaign so I'm going to assume it will cover the entire city not just Manhattan which technically isn't a part of New York after it was bought out by corporations and rebuilt. If nearly everything was going to take place in Manhattan they'd have called it the Manhattan campaign.

Considering the security level presented for Manhattan in Corporate Enclaves I'd guess the first several missions in the New York campaign don't even touch the island to let newer players get the feel for the game.

RobertB--I think runners will need to be more vigilant and selective in their gear choices. MeFeeds, expanded security coverage and the presence of Corporate security watching each other and three security companies with variable jurisdictions will all contribute to it being easier for things to go south in a big way. The quote about not bringing any gear that you cannot part with is actually lifted straight out of the old NAGNA text.

With all the emphasis on smaller payouts, higher threat ratings, and the veiled setting info I myself plan on doing SRM04-00 with a new 0 karma character then transfer all my Denver karma into a different character prior to doing SRM04-01. Its a loss of a few Karma to be well adjusted to the setting my NYC character would have known from birth. A small price to pay in terms of forfeited Karma and loss of a smidgeon of Nuyen to get the ability to react to setting info IMO.

It does make me wonder if the first mission in the NY campaign will have different introductions for new NY characters and for characters from the Denver campaign.

Oooh! Oooh! I can answer that one. Yes.

Hehe, yeah. But add in an addiction to a drug that removes all fear and makes you reckless, and add in Uncouth, and the character becomes just a tad more... Unstable.

Of course, this is what happens when you're an ex-merc who spent time in the Yucatan and almost got eaten once by a Sangre Del Diablo I'm pretty sure Rush didn't come back from the jungle in one piece.

drug use, Uncouth? Hey gator I say we take this guy along on our trip to MDC HQ, And remember never say your on, the correct responce is, could you phrase that in the form of a challange?

THIS is an excellent idea!

Robert (aka Spanner)

What to expect in N.Y.C. ?

Well the apple is rotten deep. The city is on verge of being submerced by the global warming flood. Whether news don't call for sunny day's for the weekend but which level of breating appartus is recommended. Your Pan is constantly bombarded by aggressive advertising from the corp when they can't figure your custommer profile. And having a car on the island is a pain in the ah... you know the word. I N.Y.

First of all, N.Y.C. is a megaplex of 9+ millions inhabitants. by numbers .. it's roughtly more than 27,400/sq miles ... and we count about 2% of awakened people!.. so by numbers about 550 awakened by square miles. all living in rented appartment of one mega corp or it's holding. The big apple is one megaplex that grown in hight rather than surface. In a sense each skyscrape is a town of it's own. Security provided by a corp or an other for the building...

But what happen when yo gotta hit in those corp places instead of residential area? Well you gotta figure out who own the building, what are the securities and what to hack... the if it was'nt enough, you gotta defeat those securities that are from the corp you hit (remember corp A run the building .. but does corp B realy trust corp A or in case of a break in corp B don't want corp A to get en excuse to put their noses where it don't belong).

Belive me you better go James Bond in N.Y. theirs a lot of mad sensors, chems sniffers... I wouln't worries about the face recongnition cus most of the time people do wears mask in the streets.. but then again.. in the buildings it's a other storie. New York pride it self in being safe... or is it pride it self to bypass any civil right in the name of security? The best defence is being NOT notice... don't stand out in a crowd.

Transportation.. well as it was in the 2000 an average land speed of 10 km/hours in car .. or 50 in public transportation (see the importance of being unidentifiable in a crowd) .. and even if you still wanna car in manhattan don't forget that N.Y.P.D. own the streets and they check licences... parking licences, sin if the car does belong in the neighbor. Due to polution level don't think you can ride grid free without being notice.

Get yourself a close friend in the taxy buisness. They will know how to pick you on cue and passing undetected in a crowd of taxy. Oh and if your a runner who think of hijacking a taxy... think again. By procedure you gotta know they respond to the The New York City Taxi and Limousine Commission (TLC) and are constantly tracked due to big brother policie. You gotta call for the pick-up passenger AND the destination each time the door open. And if they don't disable the vehicule, lock you in, you will be deliver to the nearest Police station or picked up by thoses pesky cops.

You still wanna own your ride in N.Y. then be prepare to hack the DOT (departement of transport) .. you will be unnoticed if you only hack a trafic light or two ... but planning an escape route in the main controling node you gotta expect N.Y.P.D. to open an investigation. Use small vehicules or if your realy good, use a corp service vehicules like say... neonet grid repair team or trash trucks or a DEP truck (Department of Enviromental Protection) for sewer jobs.

Jobs in N.Y. need lot more preps and intel than in Seattle. Escapes routes are best planed when you pass throu 3-4 corps that don't like each others.. that gives you the precious seconds to escapes their radars and vanish in the mob. Good hacker is mandatory for survival, Good mage to cover your magics traces and bypass those pesky magical defences. Brutality is good for street gangs but when your in manhattan your best weapon in being annonym. N.Y. is a city of lawyers and buisnessmans. Jobs here are sometime subtiles, Money's good but here more than anywhre you gotta put a lot of bribes to get away.

That's great information Metalmek, but can I ask where it came from? Are you a writer for Missions events? Have you played in a few Missions in NY?

Robert (aka Spanner)

Well I did some legwork on the city itself ... via wikipedia, city guide and the official web site of new york city
and look what was already in the corporate enclave and some six world wiki.

so nothing that I will post is officialy cannon (I did saw others that have open some point of view for official writers and have been enlighting)

I am haven't any credibility as a writer cuz I'm not ... juste a Master and player who happen to play a game in N.Y.C.

But as I see it and it's a personal view only backed by little research (it's only a projection exercice)

Manhattan Inc run the show

- Manhattan inc is in reality 13 big corps ... and corps have one goal ; Make money out of people .... Every excuses ares good to bombard the citizens with tailored pubs to ensure maximum money spending.
- Corp don't like to spend money where it's not translated in direct profit ... so expect corp to act like Wall shop and check every bags of customer at the exit ... you may have forgotten to pay somthing
- Manhattan inc Is the mayor office and by such the boss of all services and infra structure in the city. It doesn't pay a lot to send people cleaning lowerclass places... it's more cost efficient to juste make sure filth doesn't come near the nices places.
- Corps do benifits from extra-terriorialities ... logicaly it mean you enter a big AAA owned places your under THEIR juridictions ... you change building and enter a other building owned by a other corp .. it's the juridiction of an other tripple A (ok their not all tripple A in manhattan .. but you get my point)



And please forgive any syntax or mispelling as english is NOT my own language.

Going back to the original topic of the post -- as announced in last Saturday's Developer chat, there will be eBooks released that further flesh out New York City.

Sweet! Thanks Dunner.

Umm - almost too embarassed to type this but -
is this chat thing something that was recorded/transcribed anywhere? Couldn't find a transcript on the Catalyst site, but I also have Incompetent in Data Search. Or is it a snooze and lose kind of thing?

What is an eBook? Is that like those PDF things that let everyone read the new books before me? Does it cost money? When can I get it (before GenCon?)?

Sorry to be so hopeless with machines.

Signed, Luddite in London

We haven't posted the official transcript yet, but there's an unofficial link here: http://www.2shared.com/file/3620530/9b7f04...hat_190708.html

[the actual download link is near the bottom-right, where it says "Save file to your PC.

When we say "ebook", we mean "PDF", yes. We will be selling original PDFs in the future -- not just PDF versions of the print sourcebooks. This will include the NYC season of Shadowrun Missions, along with support material for SRM and Shadowrun in general.

Argh! PDFs without books! Blasphemy.

But if it means more SR product, I really should be happy!

And thanks for answering my technophobe questions!

Adam - I do appreciate your help.

But the file you directed me to seems to have only the second half of the chat - it starts just as the SRM and eBook questions end!

I'll work on getting the full official transcript posted over the weekend.

As for releasing PDFs of stuff we're not releasing in print, well ... that's the ONLY way that some of this material can get released. There's all sorts of stuff we want to do, but it's just not cost effective to release in print.

Plus, I hear that they make devices for your home and/or office that can convert digital documents to paper-based ones...

Adamu--Regarding the before GenCon comment, IIRC Vairdic guessed a release date of near September for the first e-books about NYC. If you have specific questions that I can address, shoot me a PM.

*writes furiously this weekend*

Yeah, I have one of those wonder-machines, but there are so many cords and things, I am afraid it is currently in a box. But for SR books, I may have to make a go of it!

Everyone can now start guessing who is writing the NYC articles...Three guesses and no the answer is not Ancient History.

It's me! And I'm basing it all on GTA4!

I'm comfy with that..mmm willneed more rocket launchers then,

So we'll have to pay for the NYC season of SRM?

The first scenario will be free. After that, if you're running a public game through the demo program, the scenarios are free. Otherwise, they will be paid downloads.

So you won't be able to just download the SRM missions from the main website to run like you can now?

That is correct. They'll be available to purchase -- as PDFs -- from our online store BattleCorps.com

I take that as a personal challenge.

GenCon + Earth Shattering Kaboom* = Fun times. Let's make it happen.

* The NERPs card.

Hrmmm... I'll see what I can do