Well I am just curious what some people would be if they wrote themselves up as a character in SR. Here I go with myself then.

Alias - Masterofm

Mundane - Human

Str: 3
Body: 3
Agi: 3
React: 4
Char: 5
Int: 4
Log: 5
Will: 4

Edge: 2 (probably 3)
Essence: 6
Initiative: 6

Qualities/flaws
Social gremlins (1... quite possibly 2 though,) lazy, SINner, Guts

Skills
Etiquette: 1
Negotiation: 3, +2 diplomacy specialty
Instruction: 2
Computer: 1, +2 Windows XP specialty
Hardware: 1, +2 computer specialty
Industrial mechanic: 1
Pilot Ground Craft: 1, +2 wheeled specialty
Climbing: 1
Perception: 2, +2 visual specialty
Pistols: 1
Automatics: 1
Dodge: 1
Data Search: 1

Knowledges
English: N
Spanish: 1/2

Firearms: 1
Literature: 1
History: 2
Fine Cuisine: 2
Fine Restaurants: 2
Area Knowledge: 2
Local Junkyards: 1
Computer Background: 1
Sci-Fi Sims: 1
Matrix Games: 2
Pirate Trid "Broadcasts": 1

Equipment
Low lifestyle
800 "comlink"
800 in clothes
Mercury Comet (basically)
other stuff....

I think thats about what I would be if I was a SR character. It would be nice to see people make themselves. If you view stats of 2 as average then subtract 1 from all my stats

Race
Human...0

Body: 3...20
Agi: 2...10
React: 3...20
Str: 2...10
Char: 2...20
Int: 4...30
Log: 3...20
Will: 2...10
Edge: 1...-10
Essence: 5

Qualities
Spirit Affinity: Man...10
Will to Live...5
Bad Luck... -20
Simsense Vertigo... -15
SINner... -5

Skills
Athletics Group 2...20
Computer: 4....16
Data Search: 4....16
Electronic Warfare: 2....8
Etiquette: 2....8
First Aid 2....8
Hardware: 3....12
Negotiation: 2....8
Perception: 2....8
Pilot Groundcraft: 2....8
Navigation: 3...12
Software: 4....16
Survival: 2...8
(Urban +2)...2

Contacts: Varied...38
Additional Knowledge...7
Middle lifestyle (Owned)...100

Total Build Points...400


Knowledges... 21+7
English: N
Spanish: 2

Area Knowledge: 4
Business Administration...5
Data Havens: 2
Engineering...4
Sci-Fi: 2
Junk Food: 2
Jazz: 3
Life Experience: 4

Alias - Squinky

Mundane - Human

Str: 3
Body: 4
Agi: 2
React: 2
Char: 2
Int: 3
Log: 2
Will: 1

Edge: 2
Essence: 6
Initiative: 5

Qualities/flaws
Incompetent (navigation)
Sinner

Skills
Etiquette: 2
Unarmed combat: 2
Computer: 2
Perception: 2
Pistols: 3
Longarms: 1
Dodge: 1
Data Search: 1

Knowledges
English: N

Artistic background: 1
Firearms: 1
Literature: 1
History: 2
Area Knowledge: 2
Law Enforcement Background: 3
Sci-Fi Sims: 2
Matrix Games: 2


Equipment
middle lifestyle
800 nuyen.gif "comlink"
150 nuyen.gif in clothes
Honda Spirit (basically)
Sword (str/2+3)
Armor vest


I copied a good bit from the first

Thats crazy that you are a 400 bp character De Badd Ass! I'm probably only around a 235-250 bp character tops. Guess I need to live longer to push those BP's up.

A technomancer because I would never be alone if I didn't want to be. I'd have registered sprites to keep me company. I doubt I would be a Shadowrunner, but I would be spoofing a lifestyle for sure.

I was thinking more if you statted your real life self what you would be.

KCKitsune

Stats average
Skills Computers:2, everything else: 0 (or 1)
Positive Qualities None
Negative Qualities Slightly obese
Shadowrun status Target... REALLY easy to hit target (defaults for dodge test)

Honestly, everyone in this thread would be a target in the Shadowrun universe. We have no powers, skills, or gear to be anything other than human shaped speed bumps. Most of us wouldn't even make a good meal for the critters running around in the night.

This is too dorky to resist...

Human

Bod 4
Agi 2
Rea 3
Str 3
Cha 2
Int 3
Log 3
Wil 3
Edge 2 (maybe 3)
Init 6 / Passes 1

Computer 1
Data Search 2
First Aid 1
Perception 1
Pilot Ground Vehicles (Car) 1 (+2)
Gymnastics 1
Swimming 1
Blades 1
Clubs 2
Unarmed Combat (Subduing) 1 (+2)
Artisan (Cooking) 1 (+2)

Philosophy 1
Meditation 1
Child Rearing 2
Cooking 1
Gaming (PnP) 1 (+2)
Sci-Fi 2

English N
Spanish 1

Gear: car, bicycle, collapsible baton, survival knife, hardliner boots, lined coat, leather jacket, old computer, camera, excellent cutlery set, bottle of vodka, Strongbow

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That's me IRL, I think. I don't think I missed anything.

In the SR world I suspect I might be an ork. People I used to play SR with always said troll, but I think that's a bit of an exaggeration.

Oh, and with any luck I'd be an adept.

-paws

Alias - deek

Mundane - Human

Str: 3
Body: 3
Agi: 2
React: 3
Char: 3
Int: 5
Log: 4
Will: 5

Edge: 4
Essence: 6
Initiative: 8

Qualities/flaws
SINner
Home Ground (Fort Wayne, IN)
Lucky
Addiction: Moderate (1980s Technology/Computers)
Addiction: Mild (World of Warcraft)
Addiction: Mild (Masturbation/Sex)
Combat Paralysis

Skills
Athletics: 3
Cracking: 3
Electronics: 5
Outdoors: 1
Etiquette: 2
Instruction: 2
Pilot Ground Craft: 3
Perception: 4
Pistols: 1

Knowledges
English: N
Spanish: 1
Japanese: 1

Classic Literature: 3
Photography: 3
Writing: 3
Video Games: 4
Games (PNP): 3
Operating Systems: 4
Business Administration: 3
Logic Puzzles: 2
Blogosphere: 1
Fantasy Football: 4
Matrix Chat Rooms: 3
Local Area Knowledge (Fort Wayne, IN): 5
Zen Meditation: 2
Modern Music: 3
Pop Culture Trivia: 2
Child Rearing: 3
Cooking: 3
Philosophy: 2

Equipment
Medium lifestyle (includes transportation)
15,000 in multiple commlinks and software
1,500 in clothes

I gotta do this, just cause I'm that much of a nerd

Bod:3
Agi:4
Rea:3
Str:4
Cha:2
Int:3
Log:3
Wil:1
Edge:1(Should be 0 really, but hey, I'm human)
Init/Passes:6/1

Active skills
Longarms 3, +2 milsurp
Pistols 2
Heavy weapons 1
Clubs 2
Blades 2
Computer 1
Artisan(musician) 3, +2 precussion
Pilot Ground Veicles 2, +2 Motorbikes
Navigation 2
Dodge 3
Armorer 3(give me a gun, I'll take it apart and rebuild it with ease, not to mention fix any problems)

Knowledge skills
Heavy Metal Rythms 4
Canadian Military 2
Local stoners 1
Recreational drugs 1
Philosophy 1
Neogermanistic paganism 2
Gaming 2

Positive Qualities:
Homeground (redbluff area)
Guts

Negative Quialities
SINner(criminal record)
Incompetent: gymnastics
Incompetent: etiquitte(I'm blunt, alright?)

Gear: SigSauer p226, .38 special revolver, Lee-Enfield rifle, custom 7mm mag rifle, .22 rifle, Yamaha dirtbike(street legal), machete, dime bag of pot, 1 gram of DXM, decent computer, bottle of rum(Me and the Captain baby!), and drum kit. Low lifestyle.


Well, I'm around a 240 or so bp character. Crazy.

CanRay:
Mundane Human
B 2; A 2; R 3; S 1; C 2; I 2; L 3; W 3; EDG 5; ESS 6; Init 5; IP 1

Active Skills: Firearms Skill Group 1*, Dodge 1, Etiquette 2 (Tech Support), Instruction 2 (Electronics), Artisan 2 (Writing), Perception 2, Computer 3, Data Search 4, Demolitions 1*.

Knowledge Skills: Firearm History 5, Computer History 2, Militaria 2, RPGs 3, Automotive History 2, Video Game History 3, Upcoming Video Games 3, Mining History 2, Geology 1, Sudbury Neighbourhoods 5, Winnipeg Neighbourhoods 1.

Qualities: College Education, Lucky, Non-Criminal SINer, Level 1 Mental Handicap (Panic Attacks), Bad Luck

Lifestyle: Comforts: Low (2 LP); Entertainment: Low (2 LP; lowered from Medium, still have some personal entertainment from that level); Necessities: Low (2 LP); Neighbourhood: Squatter (Better part of Downtown Winnipeg) (1 LP); Qualities: Quiet Neighbourhood (1 LP), Ambusher's Delight (-3 LP). 5 Lifestyle Points Total.

Gear: CommLink (Device Rating 3), Middle-Lifestyle Entertainment Suite (Old), Large library of books on various topics. Worn: Hunting vest with various tools. Denim jacket with Ronson lighter, Bic lighter, book of matches.

* Based on general knowledge rather than formal or informal training.

In the Sixth World, I'd most likely have been born an Elf (Strong Celtic background, history of longevity and occasional "Spike Baby" with elven features in family history), and be a Connection Level 1 contact based on my firearms knowledge.

I would be a wage slave NPC building Matrix nodes for non-government agencies, probably employed by a Horizon subsidiary. 2's on all my attributes, middle-lifestyle, human, mundane, non-cybered and knowledge skills in sci-fi, comic books and other trivial knowledge. I am but an extra in someone else's play!

Heavy Metal Yeti aka Link
Mundane Human


Bod:4
Agi:2
Rea:3
Str:3
Cha:2
Int:4
Log:3
Wil:1
Edge:1
Init/Passes:1

Active skills
Longarms 3
Pistols 3
Heavy weapons 2
Missles 2
Demo 1
Improvised Explosives 2
Computer 2
Pilot Ground Veicles 3
Navigation 2
Dodge 3

Knowledge skills
Advanced First Aid 4
Glass Forming Machine Operation 3
Survival (wilderness) 3
Survival (artic) 1
Survival (desert) 1
Small unit tactics 2

Positive Qualities:
Jack of many trades
Brainfull of unlimited useless shit

Negative Quialities:
SINner
Brainfull of unlimited useless shit


Gear:
Glock 32C .357 Sig
7.62x39 SKS
Mossberg 835 Ultra-mag 12 guage
Marlin .22
Marlin Papoose .22 (Breakdown and silenced)
Combat load bearing gear
Shallow running flat bottom boat
Chevy Extended cab truck
Minivan

SR3 System
human
Bod 5
Quick 4
Str 5
Cha 2
Int 4
Will 5
Essence: 5,91(if you're wondering: retractable fangs beta)
BioIndex: 1,05[8,91 remaining] (cultured suprathyroid gland)

Actice skills:
Pole-arms 2,
Edged Weapons 2,
Unarmed Combat 3,
B/R Computers 4,
Computers 4
Demolitions 2,
Etiquette(Techsupport) 2(4)
Intimidation (physical) 2(4)
Interrogation (Verbal) 2(4)
German Native
English (IT) 4(6)

Knowledge:
Computers 4
history 2
Military theory 2
Random Trivia 3
Traditional Gaming 2

Edges:
Night Vision(Natural Low-Light-Vision),
Quick Healer
Sense of Direction
College Education,
Tecnical School Education,
Water Sprite 1,

Flaws:
Allergy Common moderate(dogs)
Allergy Common mild(sunlight/higher temperatures than 25°)
Phobia Common mild(dogs)
Gremlins level 1 to 4, seems to change from time to time,
Police Record,
Ugly and doesn't care,
uncouth,
Day Job 40hrs/week>2nl Level Tech-Support Agent for 3 major ISP's,
Vindictive,
Combat Monster

Gear:
Naginata,
Ninjato,
Fang of Baelin,
Throwing-Knife,
Machete,
Combat-Axe,

yeah, rough draft, not even close to finished concept, but hey, only 24 years old, there's still time for fine-tuning . .

This is slightly weird as I actually did this independently a couple of days ago. I thought it might actually be quite useful in a self-motivational sort of way. You know... let's put my efforts into improving X.

And then I visit Dumpshock and what do I find...

Oh well, here's me. I've tried to be accurate.



I seem to be a bit of a skill monkey, which doesn't surprise me. There are probably things that I've missed. The part I found difficult to decide on was my Body rating. I'm pretty out of shape at the moment, but I'm still fairly solid. I'd say I'm definitely above average when it comes to being big, but at the same time Body is used for things like endurance running which I'm not sure where I'd pitch now, but probably fairly low. So I put myself down as 2. If I lose a few pounds and get my CV fitness back, I could probably put it up to a 3 in line with my Strength. Reaction is really hard to judge - been a while since I've had to duck a punch - so I put that down at 2 as well.

OK, I'm nerding out:

Alias - It trolls!

Bod: 3
Str: 2
Rea: 2
Agi: 2
Cha: 4
Int: 5
Log: 3
Wil: 2
Edg: 3

Initiative: 6, 1 IP

Active Skills:
Computer (Technobabble) 3
Intimidation (Weirding out) 2
Con 3
Electronics 1
Software (Writing Badcode) 3
Hacking 1
Etiquette (Nerds) 3
Mooing 5

Knowledge Skills:
Image Processing 3
Computer Graphics 3
NERPS 6
Internet Forums 4
History 3
Mathematics 3
Music 1
Typography 1
Useless Knowledge 7

Positive Qualities:
Natural Immunity (Dirt)
High Pain Tolerance

Negative Qualities:
Addiction (mild) (Caffeine)
Matrix Addict
Codeblock (performance-oriented C++ code)
Bad Luck

...uhhh... ?

I'm shocked we're not seeing more 6s across the board.

Assuming you're meaning in SR4 terms, I think people are being fairly honest with themselves here. I know I tried to be. Of course that doesn't mean how we see ourselves is accurate, but I think few of us would put ourselves as "Best of the Best" in any category. I thought about giving myself a Logic 5 - I'm pretty smart in an analytical capacity and I have excellent recall for facts. But I think my capacity to focus isn't as great as it could be and that limits what I actually achieve on what would be Logic tests in Shadowrun. I certainly wouldn't put myself down as a 6. Maybe after a bit more karma.



WHAT???

I just figured there were a bunch of muscle-bound adonises sitting behind keyboards here.

Did you read the guy who posted right above me saying he wanted to be a technomancer Kyoto Kid? The post was referring to that.

@ knasser: Yeah I put logic 4 down as well. I have an IQ of around 135-140, but IQ tests are biased towards critical thinking. If you know the Myers Brigs at all it favors N's so I don't find that completely fair in terms of intelligence. Plus I'm lazy so I don't think I have truly utilized my full potential.

Mooooooooo!

If I ever had to pick a character type for myself (already statted up there) in shadowrun, I would probably be an inattentive security guard, doodling away in the control room. Until the one day when the man with the ungodly mooing skills showed up

Alias: Crow Mundane Human 34 y.o.


If an attribute of 2 is underdeveloped and 3 is typical, (if a 2 is typical, drop most attribs by 1)

Agility 4 (Natural Athlete, good accuracy)
Body 4 (Solidly built, good immune system, high endurance)
Reaction 4 (Quick response in intense physical conflict situations, routinely catch things before they hit the ground)
Strength 4 (Professional baker and regular bicyclist—heave 50# sacks easily, bike up hills daily)
Charisma 4 (Many friends, good social skills)
Intuition 4 (Often know the ending (or major plot arcs) of a book or movie relatively early on, ability to navigate tense cop/protestor interactions on large urban scale, very successful relationships)
Logic 5 (scientific degree with high honors, high mechanical aptitude, retentive memory)
Willpower 5 (I am flexible, but I don't give up.)
Edge 4 (I am very lucky in key ways.)
Essence 6 (no implanted 'ware)
Stats BP Cost: 290
Initiative 8
IP 1


High Pain Tolerance 1 (5 pts) (Established from results of pain response study in college)
SINner (-5 pts) (US citizen with passport, FBI file, etc.)
Qualities BP Cost: Net 0


Athletics SG 2
Climbing (spec. Trees via Single and Double Rope Techniques), Running, Swimming
First Aid 2 (Spec. Combat Wounds) (Protest Street Medic with basic repertoire of Western and Eastern trauma and shock treatments--pressure points, clotting agents, treatment of tear gas, capsicum, blunt trauma)
Close Combat SG 2 (spec. Swords)
Some training in Escrima and Fencing, Aikido, Hapkido, Jujuitsu, frequent padded sword battles
Computer 3
Data Search 3
Dodge 3 (I'll beat you at dodgeball)
Escape Artist 1 (spec. Zip Ties)
Hardware 3
Industrial Mechanics 2 (Do maintenance and repairs on industrial mixers, ovens, freezers, wiring, etc.)
Longarms 3
Pistols 3
Influence SG 3
Con, Etiquette, Leadership, Negotiation
Automotive Mechanic 2 (Can describe in detail the differences between diesel and internal combustion engines, replace glow plugs, vacuum lines, fuel lines, oil and fuel filters, brakes, automatic door lock and window assemblies, change oil, etc.)
Pilot Ground Craft 3 (I'm an excellent driver, a very excellent driver.)
Instruction 2 (Good at teaching kids.)
Perception 2

Spanish 1
Street Knowledge (Spec. SF Bay Area) 3 (I've done Food Not Bombs all over the country and in the SF Bay Area for 8 years)
Academic Knowledges (Chemistry 3, Religious Studies 3, Literature 3)
Professional Knowledge (Baker 3, Petroleum Lab Technician 3, Small Business 3)
Interests Knowledge Skills (Street Drugs 3, Dance Music 3, Sustainable Urban Farming 3, Resistance Movements 3, Role Playing Games 3)

Skills BP Cost: 70 (Groups) + 32 (Active) + 9 (Specializations) + 10 (Knowledges (27 pts were free))
Total Skills BP Cost: 131

Excluding Gear/Property/Contacts, Total BP: 421

...yes, and that is why I still think my reply still applies, as stating myself "as is" for the SR world, I wouldn't survive one day/night in the shadows just due to my physical handicaps.

I'd probably make an OK contact, or a NPC wageslave, but definitely not a runner.

Oh yeah I think pretty much everyone on this board would be unable to be a Shadowrunner. I was just thinking stat wise what people would be. I'm totally a wage slave who would get chewed up if I tried to be a runner. I mean come on 250 bp? Unless you boned yourself hard core actually trying to make a shadowrun character with 250 bps you might be able to have 1-3 stats and skills that would be half way decent. Probably wouldn't even qualify for a runner position even then. I find it is interesting to look at how you would fit into the world you would create.

I honestly think the only thing that would even make me a possibility as a contact is that I am a very very loyal person and am willing to help people out if they need it with little to no questions asked. Other then that I would suck in a Shadowrun world.

...that's pretty much why I mentioned contact in my case as well. There's a lot of information I do know about in certain fields and several resources I have at my disposal that could help runners during legwork while slightly augmenting my meager income.

If I looked at my current physical state, I would have the SR3 version of the Infirm flaw at least at level 2 due to severe RA. I'm not totally sedentary but also by no means athletic minded (even for an average person) while I am still very perceptive and quick thinking (which is why the SR4 infirm quality doesn't work).

Well what would your stats be then? I'm interested to know.

Basic Attributes:

B: 1
A: 2
R: 3
S: 1
C: 3
I: 5
L: 6
W: 3

E: 2 (not the luckiest of sots)

M: NA
R: NA

I: 5 (see below)
Ess: 6

Qualities:
Addiction Mild: Craft Beers (don't really like the hard stuff)
Mania: Mild Perfectionist
Infirm 2 - 3 (as the SR3 version hence the reduced reaction)
SINner
Photographic Memory

I'll add the skillset later as The cybercafe I'm at is closing.

[edit]...made revision on logic score after seeing relation to IQ ratings further down this thread (yes, I am the antithesis of my Namesake - or she is the antithesis of me, depending on your FoR).

Yeah, that was being conservative. Most runners don't live to be my age. If they did, they would have a lot of contacts, life experience, and accumulated resources.

I could have included more qualities, like media junkie, day job, dependents, etc. I was already at the 35 BP max so I stopped.

The question that comes to mind for me is what exactly the attribute scores mean. The descriptions given in the SR3 BBB are pretty vague.

For example, on Saturday I watched the UFC live, and was pretty thrilled to see Brock Lesnar basically be one of the biggest powerhouses I've ever seen. I think I basically crapped my pants when I saw a single punch from Lesnar send his opponent rolling head over heels backwards; that's like comic book stuff right there implemented in real life. So what is Brock Lesnar's STR score, given that he's human? Is it 6? Is it 7?

Now if Brock Lesnar is, say, 6, that only leaves 5 and 4 as the points between himself and an "average" person in the modern world, who would be by definition be defined as 3.

So then I try to stat myself. Well, I'm no Brock Lesnar, but I do go to the gym frequently. Back when I used to play judo in college I was strong enough that I was often able to force other people using muscle power, although there were a couple big strong guys who were stronger than I. I really enjoy combative sports, which I guess is something that probably the average man doesn't enjoy so much, and which requires a certain degree of strength and conditioning.

So am I STR 4, or am I STR 5? If Brock Lesnar is 6, I'd be more inclined to say 4, since I'd guess the majority of professional athletes (i.e. boxers, football players, etc) would probably be 5; more athletic and strong than me, since I don't train as much or as seriously as they do, and my workouts certainly have less professional focus. But on the other hand, if Brock Lesnar is 7, maybe I could be 5 instead of 4 since I'm a largish sturdy guy, and the professional athletes could be 6.

Anyway, my point is that with only a few numbers to choose from, I feel it's real hard to pick the right number to describe oneself because going up one point or down one point has pretty big implications for defining your abilities with respect to the rest of the world.

http://i35.tinypic.com/2m4x5yg.jpg

The above is an animated image showing Brock Lesnar's amazing punch. Look at that and tell me what you think his STR should be.

I would love to see the stats for this guy
http://www.ajc.com/living/content/living/s...ir_stylist.html
bounty hunter hair stylist. hah!

A score of 3 in SR4 is a "high average" at the least. Whilst 3 might be the median, and conceivably the mean, it's definitely not the mode. 2 is the typical score. For strength, I'd put it as follows:
Strength 1 skinny male, perhaps average female, adolescent
Strength 2 typical man, perhaps slightly stronger than most woman
Strength 3 stronger man, e.g. a dock worker by profession
Strength 4 significant physical training or very strong natural talent. Possibly a sportsman in a weight-centric sport. Visually very apparent
Strength 5 major physical training, e.g. competitive weight lifter. Unmissable.
Strength 6 extreme muscular power, blatantly obvious visually
Strength 7 olympic champion level. A genuine monster. Result of both great natural talent and a lot of sustained training.

Looking at that guy (and not knowing how tall he is, which affects things), I'd say that he's probably a 5, definitely not a 6 and if he's quite short, he might be a 4, though probably not. Whilst he's obviously very muscular, it's wrong to ascribe the power of those punches to the strength alone. Technique counts for a lot and I used to know a guy who weighed around 150lbs at most who could very successfully knock someone out cold, Because when his fist landed on you, you had that entire 150lbs travelling behind it at speed. Conversely I weigh over 200lbs and I have some martial arts training, but I don't punch my weight - my timing just isn't good enough. Also, those people looked to me like they really knew how to roll with the punch. Not detracting from him - I wouldn't want to fight him. But I don't look at it and say "Strength 6" because of the punch.

Ok, time to geek out :

BOD : 3
AGI : 2
STR : 2
REA : 2
CHA : 4
INT : 5
LOG : 4
WIL : 3

EDG : 4
ESS : 6

INI : 7, 1 IP
MAG/RES : 0

Qualities/drawbacks :

College education (well, almost)
Animal empathy
SINner
Incompetence (Navigation)
Gremlins (I)
Reduced senses (sight)


Active skills :

Athletics skill group : 1
Dodge : 2
Perception (taste) : 1 (+2)
Unarmed : 1
Pistols : 1
Blades : 1
Projectiles (slingshots) : 1 (+2)
Etiquette : 2
Con (deception) : 2 (+2)
Intimidation (elitism) : 2 (+2)
Software (edit) : 1 (+2)
Data Search : 2
First Aid : 1
Pilot Ground Craft (car) : 2 (+2)
Craft (bass guitar) : 4
Craft (percussions) : 2
Craft (electronic music) : 2
Craft (singing)(screaming like a madman) : 1 (+2)
Craft (cooking)(vegetarian) : 2 (+2)
Craft (photography) : 1
Craft (drawing) : 1
Craft (raving) : 2


Knowledge skills :

German N
English : 4
Dutch : 1
Latin : 1

Literature : 4
Political Science : 4
Useless Trivia : 4
20th Century Pop Music (punk rock) : 3 (+2)
Pop Culture References : 3
Night Clubs : 3
Street Drugs : 3
Beverages : 2
Local restaurants : 3
Sympathetic listening : 3


Contacts (no ratings for them, it's worse enough i'm statting myself out, i'm not gonna categorize my friends for usefulness) :

Mechanic
Lawyer
Dentist
Barkeeper
Producer/engineer
Radio journalist (public network affiliation)
Radio journalist (private network affiliation)
Eco activist
Several wageslaves, students and media folks

Group contacts :

Local music scene
Social Democratic Party (local chapter)


Equipment :
Too much free time
Hipster glasses
Obese cat
Fine bass guitar + assorted cheap instruments
Cheap bass guitar (treat as club with Reach 2 and (Str/2)+2S/AP+1)
Electro Harmonics Micro Synthesizer + Little Big Muff (probably counts as lvl 5 white noise generator when abused properly)
Big ass amplifier
Huge pile of band stickers
Record collection that can beat up your record collection
Middle lifestyle
Squatter lifestyle (rehearsal room)



Damn, that must be over 400 BP and i still wouldn't qualifiy as a runner.

I always thought skill rating 6 was the highest anyone can be according to SR4 rules w/o augmentation. A Str. 6 character is the strongest someone can be, just the way a body 6 is.... um.... the body...est person you can be.

I feel like I could bump up some more of my stats just a little as I was under the idea that a 2 in your stats is average, but my ego isn't all that awesome.

Attributes (Homo Sapiens Sapiens):

• 1 Weak
• 2 Underdeveloped
• 3 Typical
• 4 Improved
• 5 Superior
• 6 Normal Maximum
• 7 Exceptional Maximum

Skills:

• – Unaware
• 0 Untrained
• 1 Beginner
• 2 Novice
• 3 Professional
• 4 Veteran
• 5 Expert
• 6 Elite
• 7 Legendary (requires the Aptitude quality)

An example is Michael Phelps who has Swimming (sprinting) 7(+2). Along with Strength 6 gives him 15 dice for racing.

When I explain Attributes to players I use the following example:
Logic ~ IQ:

• 1 ~ 60
• 2 ~ 80
• 3 ~ 100
• 4 ~ 120
• 5 ~ 140
• 6 ~ 160
• 7 ~ 180

Many players miss how bad an attribute of 1 really is.

Well, why the hell not, huh? I will be using MJBurrage's examples above as a baseline for me. I will also iunject a small explanation in places I deem appropriate. I am attempting to explain what may seem like arrogance on my part. Also remember, I believe a lot of you were using 2 as the baseline and I am using 3.

Christopher Watson AKA Darian Farstar

BOD - 3 - Physical fortitude for resisting shock, taking damage well, and other uses of body, I probably have a 4 not a 3. 2 for endurance activity so 3 overall.
AGI - 4 - I rarely miss what I aim at, be it throwing things, shooting guns, or video games.
REA - 4 - I stopped training myself, and I think my reaction has suffered for it- previously it probably would have been a 5.
STR - 4 - I am 6'8 and significantly stronger than the average male due to size, and very recently working out on a semi-regular basis.
CHA - 4 - I make friends more easily than most, and can typically stay on just about everyone's good side if I want.
INT - 5 - "Bad Feelings" have saved me from making many mistakes in the past, successful 8 year relationship(part CHA part INT)
LOG - 7 - According to testing, I have a 182 IQ. So using the above example, there we go. 50th percentile on the MCAT without the benefit of high school or college training in the relevent subjects, 5 hours study literally the night before, and a medium to severe migraine.
WIL - 4 - I have a 6 or 7 for resisting pain and outside influence, but like a 2 or at most 3 for resisting simple temptation that will make me feel better. (Chocolate, dark room, skipping class to avoid light and sound, etc.)
Edge - 5

Positive Qualities -
Exceptional Attribute - LOG
High Pain Tolerance 3
College Educated
Analytical Mind
Changeling - Class II SURGE
- Enlongated Limbs
- Vomeronasal Organ (People seriously smell different to me depending on mood and hormone output.)
- Thermal Sensitivity ( I actually see a fairly significant amount farther than the average human into both the infrared and ultraviolet range )
Technically there should be enhanced hearing somewhere here too. I can hear dog whistles and the vibrations that EM fields makes in the air manifests as an annoying high pitched noise. (All TVs, Radios, Microwaves, computers, people, etc. make this noise to me.)

Negative Qualities -
Severe to Crippling Chronic Migraines(24 hrs/day 7 days/week)
Bad Luck
Changeling - Class II SURGE
- Nocturnal
Big Regret
Poor Self Control - Combat Monster (Things go poorly when I get caught up in fights. A pain tolerance like mine means not knowing when you are too hurt to continue.)
SINner

Skills -
Electronics Group - 2
Athletics Group - 2
Firearms Group - 1*
Influence Group - 3
Stealth Group - 1
Close Combat Group - 1
Intimidation - 1
Dodge - 1
Armorer - 1*
First Aid - 3
Medicine - 2
Perception - 4
Pilot Ground Craft - 1
Demolitions - 1
Archery - 1

Knowledge Skills -
DnD and Shadowrun - 4
Biology - 3
Psychology - 3
Chemistry - 2
Physics - 2
Tech Advances - 2
Etc.

Gear -
Swords x 7
Knives x 6
Throwing Knives x 3
Shuriken x 2
Clothing
Computer
Access to a ton of pistols and longarms(I live in Alabama)


*Skill due to interest and minimal experience as opposed to actual training.

It's truthful as I can be, I am an honest to god freak of nature. Beyond this I'm immune to most medications, so whee, I don't know if that is a positive or negative quality. If someone wants to bother they can do the BP calculations. The physical stats would all drop by one if 2 is the mode. Mentals might stay the same, logic would.

Hope I don't come off at too arrogant, I really tried to be honest- but if the stats are undeserved then I guess that makes it worse, huh?

Chris

This has come up before. 2 is not underdeveloped. Firstly, with skills, your examples are contradicted by the book. 0 is not "untrained" but the typical knowledge of that skill. So someone with a drive skill of 0 is not a bad driver (though they might be if their accompanying attributes are poor), they are simply typical. Someone with a drive skill of 1 is probably someone who does quite a lot of driving or has taken an advanced test.

With attributes, there has to be more room at the top of the scale than there is at the bottom because so few people live up to their potential.A champion weight lifter (Str 6) is not merely twice as strong as the typical person, which they would be if the mode strength were 3. Similarly for other attributes. 3 doesn't work. 2 is a much better approximation. "Average" is a term with multiple meanings. It can be considered the mode (the most frequent value) or median (the mid point of the possible range) or the mean (add everything together and divide by the number of things your counting). The mean is ineffective for talking about average physical ability. To illustrate, consider the following:

You have a sample of ten people. 8 of them can run the 400m in 60 seconds, but two of them can run it in 50 seconds. If you take average to be the mean, you get an "average" of (8x 60 + 2x 50 all divided by 10 people) 58 seconds. Eight out of ten people are "below average." You see? Most people are not going to be "average strength" in the sense of the mean. It could in theory work the other way around with most people being "above average" and a few coming in lower, but that would mean a world filled with people who really lived up to their potential, hard training all the time, and that is not the case.

The most common attribute is 2 and that's what I've been using as typical and I think most people are. As I say, it's come up before.

So, Knasser, can you explain the apparent contradiction between skill 0 being a typical level of skill whereas skill 1 represents a "beginner"?

Since everyone else is doing it....

PBTHHHHT
human, Age: 31

Stats... depending on which you use, I'll show both versions for stats itself. I tried using the examples of the skills so I kinda think those are close. eh.
Body - 2/3 (I'm okay body and okay shape)
Str - 2/3
Rea - 2/3 (I'm average)
Ag - 2/3
Cha - 2/3 (average again, sheesh, I'm noticing a pattern)
Int - 3/4 (here, my int and logic are probably just above average, managed to survive college and law school and passed the bar)
Log - 3/4
Wil - 3/4 (Had to perservere through working full time during the day and school in the evenings for 4 years, that takes some willpower)

Edge - 3?
Ess - 6
Init - 5/7

Qualities
Blandness (situational, asian, I'll blend into an asian crowd, average asian height, wear glasses... good luck finding me)
High Pain Tolerance 1 (I forgo any pain medication after my wisdom tooth surgery, removed all four, was chomping on steak the next day)
College Education
Technical School Education (Chemical Engineering)

Flaws
Day Job (-15BP) 40 hour/workweek
SiNner
Records on File (gov't)

Active skills
Clubs - 1
Gymnastics - 1
Dodge - 1
Exotic melee (sai) - 1
Unarmed Combat - 1 (the stuff above are from the years of martial arts which also included grappling and tumbling, but I've never had to fight for real so I'm untested)
Climbing - 1 (indoor rock climbing)
Swimming - 1 (community swim team and years of swimming in the summer)

Etiquette - 2 (gov't)
Instruction - 1 (work detail where I had to train new employees)

Artisan (violin) - 2 (years of violin)
Data Search - 3 (work)

Longarms - 1
Pistols - 1

Pilot (groundcraft, wheeled) - 1 (years of driving and low insurance premium)

Knowledge skills
Chemical Engineering - 4
Law - 4 (+2 IP law)
Molding Technology - 3
Chemistry - 3
Bureaucracy - 3
Videogames - 3
SciFi genre - 3
Fantasy Genre - 3
History - 2 (minor, focused on classical and asian history)
martial arts - 2
anime - 3
Local area (atlanta) - 4
Local area (DC) - 3
Local area (Hong Kong) - 1
Politics - 1

Languages
English - Fluent
Chinese (Cantonese) - 2 (illiterate)
Spanish - 1 (high school requirement)
French - 1 (college elective course)

Middle class lifestyle - condo
comforts (middle) 3LP
entertainment (middle) 3LP
necessities (middle) 3LP
neighborhood (middle) 3LP
security (middle) 3LP
total - 15 LP
negative: living by committee -2

Gear
Sai, Staff
MP-5 (civilian version, extended rifle version) 5P SA RC:1
FS2000 (civilian version of the F2000 assault rifle) 6P AP:-1 SA RC:1
Leather Jacket 2/2
Audi TT Roadster

Attributes (Homo Sapiens Sapiens):

• 1 Weak
• 2 Underdeveloped
• 3 Typical
• 4 Improved
• 5 Superior
• 6 Normal Maximum
• 7 Exceptional Maximum

Skills:

• – Unaware
• 0 Untrained
• 1 Beginner
• 2 Novice
• 3 Professional
• 4 Veteran
• 5 Expert
• 6 Elite
• 7 Legendary (requires the Aptitude quality)

The above are not my interpretation they are the exact descriptions from the core rulebook (pages 62 & 108-109).

The IQ example was mine. Along those lines, I do think the Skill Examples are wrong for Academic Knowledges, for ranks 1–6 (they overestimate how much many graduates actually know about their field). I have a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering, an MBA, have worked in research labs at the university level, teach college courses, and am studying bio-medical engineering at the postgraduate level.

Based on my experience with students, faculty, and coworkers, the examples I would use are:

• 1 Beginner - A college course, or AP (Advanced Placement) equivalent
• 2 Novice - Associate’s (2-year) degree
• 3 Professional - Bachelor’s (4-year) degree
• 4 Veteran - Master’s degree
• 5 Expert - Doctorate degree
• 6 Elite - Postdoctoral study
• 7 Legendary (Stephen Hawking, Albert Einstein)

That's not to say that one cannot have a high skill without a degree, but rather the minimum skill to complete the degree listed.

Character Name: Chrysalis
Profession: English Teacher
Sex: Female


Race:
Race:Human
Build points spent on Race (0)
Race Notes:
Human: +1 to Edge

Contacts:
Too many to list.

Attributes:
Build points spent on Attributes (160)
Attributes: (min/current/max)
Agility 1 / 3 / 6
Body 1 / 2 / 6
Reaction 1 / 2 / 6
Strength 1 / 2 / 6
Charisma 1 / 4 / 6
Intuition 1 / 2 / 6
Logic 1 / 4 / 6
Willpower 1 / 4 / 6
Essence 1 / 6 / 6
Magic 0 / 0 / 6
Resonance 0 / 0 / 6
Edge 2 / 3 / 7

Derived Attributes:
Initiative 4
Memory 8
Composure 8
Judge Intentions 6
Lift/Carry 4

Walking Rate (m/turn): 10
Running Rate (m/turn): 25
Swim Rate (m/turn): 5
Lift w/out test (kg/lbs): 20/44
Overhead Lift w/out test (kg/lbs): 10/22

Condition Monitors:
Physical Track: 9
Stun Track: 10

Active SKILLS:
Build points spent on Active Skills:(136)
Group: Firearms (Agi) RANK 2 3 in group, Automatics, Longarms, Pistols
Group: Influence (Cha) RANK 5 4 in group, Con, Etiquette, Leadership, Negotiation
Pilot: Groundcraft (Rea) RANK 1
Group: Close Combat (Agi) RANK 2 3 in group, Blades, Clubs, Unarmed Combat
Electronic Warfare (Log) RANK 2
First Aid (Log) RANK 1
Parachuting (Bod) RANK 1
Instruction (Cha) RANK 5
Perception (Int) RANK 3
Survival (Wil) RANK 2
NBC warfare RANK 3

Knowledge SKILLS:
Build points spent on Knowledge Skills:(0)
language Chinese Speak RANK:1
language Vietnamese Speak RANK:1
language French Speak/Read/Write RANK:1
language German Speak/Read/Write RANK:2
language Russian Speak/Read/Write RANK:4
street Organized Crime Russian Mafia RANK:3
street Organized Crime Northern European Syndicates RANK:1
academic Psychology RANK:2
academic Linguistics RANK:3
academic Pedagogy RANK:3
academic History RANK:2
professional Business Retail RANK:2

Native Language: English

Qualities:
Build Points spent on Qualities (20)

Positive Qualities:
First Impression (5) Rank 1
High Pain Tolerance (5) Rank 1
Photographic Memory (10) Rank 1

I would modify that to be on (a Wechsler scale).

Logic ~ IQ:

• 1 ~ 70
• 2 ~ 85
• 3 ~ 100
• 4 ~ 115
• 5 ~ 130
• 6 ~ 145
• 7 ~ 160+

This makes 3 the mean score, with each point being one standard deviation away.
It makes Int 1 funtionaly retarded with Int 2 being below average. On the flip side, Int 5 is genius level intelect, and 6 and 7 are realy frakkin smart without throwing out stupid large IQ numbers. For comparison sake, only 15.9% of the population would have Int 4 or greater, 2.3% would have an Int of 5 or greater, 0.2% would have an INT of 6 or greater, and only an astronomicaly small percentage has Int 7.


Sorry, IQ discusions that venture into a range above 160 tend to cause me to go crazy. Once an IQ is that high tests arent realy equipped to measure it in any meaningfull fashion.

I have a question on this and other posts: There are IQ systems that go beyond 150? I know the scale of 70?-150, which is already considered semi-reliable only in the 80-120 bracket. The level of differentiation in numbers can be freely choosen, but the method of measurement does not magically get better.

Yeah, there are other scales. Its just that where I went to school they heavily emphasized the WAIS, so whenever anyone talks about IQ I just automaticaly veiw it through that lense. Yeah no IQ test is realy 100% accurate, and will give different results depending on the culture of the subject. To complicate matters most tests dont even give you an IQ. They give you several different IQs on a variety of different types of thining. I supposed in SR terms Int or or Log

Jhaiisiin
Human

Attributes: (160bp)
Bod - 2
Agi - 3
Reac - 3
Str - 2
Cha - 3
Int - 3
Log - 5 (6?) (based on the IQ info stuff above)
Will - 3

Special Attributes: (20bp)
Edge - 2
Magic - 3

Qualities: (+15bp)
Mystic Adept

Grass Allergy (Mild, Common)
Allergy to Stedson (Mild, uncommon)
Poor Self Control (Multiple cases of OCD)

Skills (152bp)
Spellcasting - 2
Counterspelling - 1
Assensing - 1
Computer - 3
Hardware 2
Software 2
Archery - 1
Pistols - 1
Longarms - 1
Clubs - 2 (+2 Staves)
Blades - 1
Unarmed Combat - 2
Dodge - 2
Running - 1 (used to be 3, damnit!)
Etiquette - 3
Perception - 2
First Aid - 2
Survival - 2
Artisan - 3
Pilot Ground Craft - 3 (+2 Wheeled)

Knowledge skills: (0bp)
Role Playing Games - 4 (+2 White Wolf systems)
Aircraft identification - 3 (+2 Military)
Video Games - 2
Massage - 2
English (Native)
German - 1
Gaelic - 1
Russian - 0 (learning it now)

Adept Abilities: (1pt of magic used here)
Combat Sense 2
Counterstrike 1

Spells:
Heal
Knockout

Resources: (5bp)
25,000 in varied and sundry items

*Note: I've had some training in martial arts, massage therapy and the manipulation of Chi. Believe me or don't, but I've been able to help friends and strangers with injuries by reducing pain levels, speeding up recovery (not instant Poof, you're healed, but shaving days off the healing time), and even temporarily correcting arrhythmia in a person whose heart has a tendency to be stupid when they get excited. That's the only reason I've added any mystic anything to my stats here. What I can do ain't overly impressive, but it's good enough for me.

Total BP: 337 (not including the 15 bp bonus from qualities

You know what I would do if I could do it (i.e. if I were awesome)? I'd GM a Shadowrun game where the players would have to choose "character sheets" from this thread, and we'd have a game of "normal people versus the bad guys of the SR world". Just to see what would happen. It would be epic and glorious.

and very very brief

Don't be so negative. For me, some of the most fun SR games to participate in is where your character is completely underpowered and you must make it through using meticulous strategy and guile. It would be an engaging challenge.