... in some form?


I was thinking of having an elf wake up from a coma in a Seattle hospital.

He could be an immortal elf or he could have goblinized. (While in the coma) Could he have been hospitalised before the crash and everything? If the original hospital is no longer around would he have been transferred to a new one? How long would the system keep him around without any benefactors? What is the medical assistance like - are there medicare/medicaid programs around? Would he owe serious bills an debts, or are there social programs that cover it? Would they only cover it if he had a SIN. ( he won't) Could the hospital know next to nothing about him besides what they can determine from medical exams, like say any data was lost in the crash, and any hard copy has been lost in the cracks of the system over the years. I want it to be like he's been around as long as the staff can remember, etc. For this to work, would someone have to be making anonymous maintenance donations to the hospital?

Any insight would be nice.

I think SIN's came after the crash so I think they would asign him one while in a coma. With DNA the way it is today I could see him being linked to someone alive so the hospital can get the money back.

Other then that it sounds do-able. Though he would be rather old by comparison to most of the runners out there. I see you said immortal elf, while some people say it is fine in there games I personally find it a little far fetched even for SR just my personal feelings. As a regular elf I don't think I have seen aging rules for the races other then Orcs die off at 40.

Another thing to worry about if he is laying around for about 50 years, when does the crooked doc decide he would be better of in several other peoples bodies keeping them alive a price?


EDIT: Just curious why do you want him to be so old or at least from so long ago? You could have the same sort of back ground with a character that is only a few years into a coma. I played an amnesia character who woke up after 2 or 3 years in a coma, I am not sure because my character sheet only has what I saw in the mirror when I woke and stuff I acquired since awaking.

Seattle General Hospital is known as a place to go if you need a kidney, so yeah the hippocratic oath is more of a suggestion then an oath anymore.

I am not a good person to ask about Immortal Elves, we almost never use them most of our games stay pretty close to street level and rarley involve such things as IE's and GD's. So I don't know about if they are all magical. Check Ancient History's web site or DV8's.

As discussed in previous threads abpout IE's and letting them be played as characters I most people agreed it would be alright if they got no special abilities other then immunity to age so if it is OK with your GM or if you are the GM it fits your story go with. I do strange things in our games also hich most people would scuff at.

I am still curious why so old? If it is a plot hook cool, I just see a senior citizen running the shadows, or would it be wheeling around the shadows?

According to SR3, page 47, elves live several hundred years even when mortal. 50 years of age shouldn't make him a senior citizen.

Hmm, ok, easy enough to work together an amnesiac character, but having one "goblinize" is rarer than rare.

And I'm also reasonably sure that elves and dwarves were born.





...speaking of such, my Dwarven Mage-Adept Pornstar is now up and running!


Oh, the agony this is going to provoke...


L-

"Hey, don't I know you from a movie somewhere?"

Didn't Year of the Comet have a SURGE effect that mimiced UGE or was just Goblinization?

Just Goblinization.

~J

It easier if you just leave the immortal elf thing alone. It's been done to death and most players will wind up hating the concept.

- J.

Speaking of Goblinization, what the hell does it entail? Is it just like POP! Then you're a troll, or is it kind of gradual over some days, or is it like, rapid growth over a few minutes?

Gobinisation can happen quickly or slowly. Its not really stated, but I think a matter of hours is the quickest, and weeks the longest. Its not by metatype as far as I know though I would guess Trolls do take longer just because of the size difference. My opinion on this is based on the fiction/bckground info from Sr2 and SR3, but as far as I know SR3 hasn't changed any of that. The only real backwards-compatibility issues rules-wise is initiative and magic thanks to VR2 and R2.

One thing I'm sure of, however, is that nothing is mentioned about previous appearance being a factor. It seems to be random in those terms. SURGE would seem to match that (if you ignore the fact that existing metahumans or Awakened hardly ever express SURGE, so most of the victims are human) as we all know that process is pretty random. I assume that hasn't changed because there's no mention of it - if you suddenly stopped getting Dwarfism or Giantism as a disease, I think they'd have mentioned it - you can certainly get exceptionally small or large example of critters, after all and I don't see why they'd be any different.

Obviously however, there is some kind of genetic predisposition, so is entirely possible that humans who were exceptionally large and strong but not very bright may have been more likely to undergo UGE. But its not stated anywhere, unfortunately.

Nothing is mentioned about Dwarves/Elves undergoing UGE at puberty, but Ihave vague recollections that I've read in a novel or other fiction about someone who did. Even if it does happen, and assuming I'm not going mad to remember something that very well might not have existed in the first place, it must be very rare indeed.

The only thing I could think of (which, if your GM went with it in the first place could easily take over the game) that could explain why they goblinised into an elf unlike everyone else, might be that the character is some kind of Drake descendent, which was made to infiltrate elven societies instead of human ones, so they expressed a la goblinisation to look like an elf instead of undergoing no noticeable effects like the other Drakes when the mana levels weren't high enough yet so they didn't go full dracoform. In fact, that might be what wakes the character up - the mana level reaches the neccesary level to force a full expression and go on a rampage through the hospital before waking up in an alley with no idea why they have pointy ears and there's a bum with rusty looking primitive cyber eyes, or why they're covered in blood...

But the above scenario I personally would avoid with a player. I might make the escaped patience a target of a job, certainly, but I wouldn't like someone to start play in that situation unless I was doing a solo campaign or something. Being a Drake should mean that you become the focus of all kinds of nasty types you don't want knowing about you in the first place!

it's easily possible for an elf to have been born prior to the Awakening, as a spike baby; his features would be explained as birth defects. during the Crash, his records could have been a victim of the virus; it's also possible that he'd have been forgotten about almost entirely by anyone who knew where he came from. when the records were being reconstructed, he would have ended up as just another john doe.

I considered putting that in my reply. I decided against it, but I can't for the life of me remember why... I think I got it into my head that he was supposed to remember before he was in the coma, and that he remembered he was human. I don't know where the idea came from!

about the rate of goblinization... i dunno if it's actually canon but in one of the books there's a pic of some wageslave goblinizing into a troll on a crowded street. his suit's exploding off him, everybody looks surprised, his glasses fly off... in general it's a rather humurous looking picture.

What book?
That'd work nicely for SURGE...

~J

As far as SURGE goes, Humans may goblinize into orks or trolls; however - it also states that other metahumans may goblinize into a metavariant. This is apparently not restricted to orks and trolls; dwarves and elves can 'goblinize' in this manner too.

So you could have a Human looking Elf spike baby (not knowing he was an elf) goblinize into a Wakyambi or Night One while he was in the coma, when the comet passes over. At the same time you can add some other interesting SURGE effects if you wish.