malichai
Jan 4 2004, 07:20 AM
Well, I posted this over at Enworld, and figured I'd also try this site:
I'm looking to hire a GM to run games for my employees and for myself and my
partners here in Lawrence, Kansas. Even if you're not interested, if you know anyone and could pass this along, I'd appreciate it.
At this point, I'm looking to interview prospective GMs, and we have no set
deadline for when we would like to start.
Some notes about us and the position:
You'd be expected to run at least twice a month as long as schedules worked
out. Scheduling would be semi-negotiable, but would need to fall on a
Saturday or Sunday, and couldn't start before 1 PM. Optimally, we'd like to
run every week.
All books and materials are provided, though said material would remain the
property of myself or of our LLC. In addition, all food and beverages would
be provided while you game.
In order of priority, the games you'd be running would be Shadowrun,
Battletech, and D&D 3.5, depending on the group's mood. You don't need to
discount yourself just because you aren't familiar with the settings. I
would provide you with the background material (which would include required
reading of a few novels for Shadowrun and Battletech). Perhaps other games
in the future.
We're still attempting to come up with a fair pay scale, though we will be
paying no less than $13 an hour (not including preparation). Though if you
run a fun 6-7 hour game every week, we'd pay you at least $100 a session.
Depending on your longevity with the group, receiving benefits isn't out of
the question, as we do offer health insurance and 401k plans to our other
employees.
The group you'd be running games for are between 26 and 32, and myself and
my business partner are both semi-retired. We're socially well adjusted and
have excellent hygiene, and we'd expect the same of our GM.
This is a job, and even though it would only be a part-time job, we would
expect you to treat it as such. If things don't work out, we won't waste
much time in looking for someone else. You would be running the house rules
that we use, when/if we use them, and our interpretation of rules when/if
such arose. Though that we really just means me. Despite how all that might
sound, we really are a nice, friendly group of guys. The point is though,
you'd need to tailor the games to us, which means pleasing my partner, a
role-player, and myself, who wants to kick some butt and blow things up.
If interested, please send an e-mail to me at rian@easyfafsa.com and tell me
a bit about yourself.
Fresno Bob
Jan 4 2004, 07:22 AM
GM/Player Registry, buck-o.
Diesel
Jan 4 2004, 07:31 AM
Is this real? I want to move.
Fortune
Jan 4 2004, 07:38 AM
I'd take the job in a heartbeat if I could get over there. Feel like sponsoring a potential immigrant who has been GMing for over 25 years?
Joker9125
Jan 4 2004, 07:43 AM
QUOTE |
In order of priority, the games you'd be running would be Shadowrun, Battletech, and D&D 3.5 |
Hold up u mean to tell me that their is a Battle Tech RPG?!?!?!?
Battle Tech is one of may favorate novels and i am quite well versed in the battle tech universe but ive never heard of an RPG neone know a good reputable site to buy the books from? (dont mention E-Bay gotten screwed their before).
QUOTE |
You would be running the house rules that we use, when/if we use them, and our interpretation of rules when/if such arose. Though that we really just means me. Despite how all that might sound, we really are a nice, friendly group of guys. The point is though, you'd need to tailor the games to us, which means pleasing my partner, a role-player, and myself, who wants to kick some butt and blow things up.
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QUOTE |
The group you'd be running games for are between 26 and 32, and myself and my business partner are both semi-retired. We're socially well adjusted and have excellent hygiene, and we'd expect the same of our GM.
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It sounds to me with a group of 26 to 32 people you could just simply take turns GMing you could play everyday for a month and only have to GM once. This solves the problem of an outside GM tayloring him/herself to your needs and would certainly cost alot less.
RedmondLarry
Jan 4 2004, 07:49 AM
The people are ages 26 to 32.
The RPG for Battletech is called Mechwarrior, but there's a good chance he wants to play Battletech even though it is not an RPG.
If he and his partner can afford to hire a GM, they can probably afford to conjure a Fire Elemental to light their cigarettes.
EVLTIM
Jan 4 2004, 08:00 AM
QUOTE (OurTeam) |
If he and his partner can afford to hire a GM, they can probably afford to conjure a Fire Elemental to light their cigarettes. |
Zazen
Jan 4 2004, 08:33 AM
I hate to ask but uhh, why must this be a job? Most people run games for free. Are you that hard up for a GM?
Connor
Jan 4 2004, 08:48 AM
QUOTE (Joker9125) |
Hold up u mean to tell me that their is a Battle Tech RPG?!?!?!? |
Amazingly enough Mechwarrior was the first RPG I ever played...before I knew what an RPG even was. It was quite the fun game, even knowing absolutely nothing about it.
RedmondLarry
Jan 4 2004, 08:53 AM
If I hire a GM, it'd be for one or more of the following reasons:
* I want more commitment or higher quality than most people
* I want to own the creative works (runs) the GM produces
* I want the GM to sign a non-disclosure on our activities
* There is a business reason to play, and it makes sense to pay
Glyph
Jan 4 2004, 09:02 AM
Actually, it isn't that much - $100.00 for a good-sized group is less than what you'd pay for all going to the movies or downhill skiiing. Plus, you have a GM who isn't lazy, powertripping, or shoving his personal prefences or house rules down your throat. I think it shows that they want a
good experience when they go through the trouble to get a big group together to spend 6 hours of their weekend. Bravo for them. Too bad I don't live anywhere near that area, or I'd be very interested in the job.
But I think any GM who is expected to keep a roleplayer and a powergamer both happy
should be paid.
Fortune
Jan 4 2004, 09:05 AM
QUOTE (Joker9125) |
Battle Tech is one of may favorate novels and i am quite well versed in the battle tech universe but ive never heard of an RPG... |
So, obviously not
that well-versed then.
BumsofTacoma
Jan 4 2004, 09:54 AM
Never played it friend has it. Says its great. maybe I'll check it out.
As for the whole job thing, man being fire for being a bad gm. hmmmmm
Interesting....... Kinda takes the gms almighty powers away......
GM: alright street sam, your arrested, its a short trial, you go to jail for a long time.
Player:...........Your fired, bing in the new entry level GM guys.
GM: What about my dental plan?
Shadow
Jan 4 2004, 10:35 AM
The part about following "there" house rules and "pleasing" them sounds to much like, "I said I hit him" etc. I mean how much freedom would you have as a gm if one of your players was the boss. Piss him off in a game and you likely are out of a job. Or worse. Your only the GM until your view comes in conflict with what he thinks, and then it is his way cause he's the boss.
And you know, you really should pay him for 4-6 hours of prep time. It takes allot of work to come up with games that don't suck.
Siege
Jan 4 2004, 01:49 PM
QUOTE (OurTeam @ Jan 4 2004, 07:49 AM) |
The people are ages 26 to 32.
The RPG for Battletech is called Mechwarrior, but there's a good chance he wants to play Battletech even though it is not an RPG.
If he and his partner can afford to hire a GM, they can probably afford to conjure a Fire Elemental to light their cigarettes. |
The manual in question -- insofar as I know, it's the latest release.
Mechwarrior, 3rd edition-Siege
Edited for technical difficulties
Kagetenshi
Jan 4 2004, 05:53 PM
It figures. A dream job, and it requires relocation.
Ah well. Good luck with your search.
~J
Tanka
Jan 4 2004, 06:03 PM
I wish, I wish, I wish!
Not fair. I want a job like that around my area.
malichai
Jan 5 2004, 04:20 AM
QUOTE (Shadow) |
The part about following "there" house rules and "pleasing" them sounds to much like, "I said I hit him" etc. I mean how much freedom would you have as a gm if one of your players was the boss. Piss him off in a game and you likely are out of a job. Or worse. Your only the GM until your view comes in conflict with what he thinks, and then it is his way cause he's the boss.
And you know, you really should pay him for 4-6 hours of prep time. It takes allot of work to come up with games that don't suck. |
Those are valid points, but for the most part, all of the house rules and rules interpretations are hammered out already anyway within the group, no matter who's running a game, whether they're getting paid or not, they'd be expected to go with the group consensus. We've been gaming together for 10 years, and we're a responsible group.
Your comment about "I said I hit him,etc" is confusing. Do you really think that if I care enough to want to hire someone that I'm going to cheat? That defeats the purpose of gaming. And I can flat ass guarantee that none of my friends/employees would be allowed to get away with that sort've behavior.
Yes, the point is that we're "pleased." If we're paying you and we're bored, you won't run for us anymore. If we're not paying you and we're bored, you won't run for us anymore. I don't game to be bored or frustrated. If you're the kind of GM that thinks that games are You VS Them, then you're obviously not the type of person we're looking for (though you here isn't you specifically, but the more general use of the word You).
As far as paying for prep time, I'm a results oriented employer, and I believe in paying people on what they deliver. If you're a GM that takes 10 hours of prep time to come up with a good game, or a GM that takes 1 hour to come up with a good game, it doesn't really matter to me, all I care about is the result. If you don't feel that the pay is fair, we can talk about it.
Finally, the reason I want to pay is because I want a quality game. You're absolutely correct Shadow, the freedom of the GM is limited to trying to come up with a game that I enjoy, that my business partner is okay with (he's pretty laid back), and that the rest of the players are at least moderately satisfied with
. "Pissing me off in a game" would mean that you and I have some manner of personality conflict, as I don't anger easily. In 10 years of gaming, I think I've only gotten pissed once during a game, and we never gamed with that guy again.
Most of this all comes back to, it doesn't matter whether they are getting paid or not, just about anything that would get you fired from being our GM would also get you ousted as a volunteer.
Oh, and in response to someone else, yes, I was referring to Mechwarrior.
In response to another, we do have some good GMs who will sometimes run games, but there simply isn't enough consistency from them. There will be a game 2 weeks in a row, then nothing for 3 months, etc.
Fortune
Jan 5 2004, 04:25 AM
You didn't answer
my question.
Joker9125
Jan 5 2004, 04:40 AM
QUOTE (Fortune) |
QUOTE (Joker9125 @ Jan 4 2004, 06:43 PM) | Battle Tech is one of may favorate novels and i am quite well versed in the battle tech universe but ive never heard of an RPG... |
So, obviously not that well-versed then. |
Actually I have read several novels particuarlly the ones by michael A stockpole and really enjoy the battletech universe. I only knew about the battletech products that stores like barns and noble sold in the scifi section. I am relatively new to RPG's untill not to long ago i was one of the creatons who thought it was extremely boring and only for guys who caint get dates. So i wasnt really looking.
EVLTIM
Jan 5 2004, 12:14 PM
Malichai I think for most of us , well me at least the concept of being paid to GM is just way to out there . I RPG for fun , my fun and others peoples fun . Everybody running a game has had an off day or two it happens . I have never played with any one that has pulled a %100 satisfying game for all %100 of the time .It just doesn't really happen .
I commend that you are willing to pay some one to entertain you , but I still don't understand why you don't have some one from your group run the games .
Tanka
Jan 5 2004, 03:17 PM
I hear that. Sometimes a GM has a wonderful idea, but the players absolutely despise it. Just one or two off days doesn't mean he's losing his touch. It could just mean he's trying new things and wants to see how those roll with the players.
Kurb
Jan 5 2004, 05:24 PM
I leave for a couple months on business and I come back to a discussion over being paid to GM!? What is the world coming to? I mean the idea is great, and anybody that love to GM would want to jump on it. But like I've read in the thread, if the GM makes one tiny mistake or just doesn't play it the way you want he's out. I mean I GM for a group here, and I've been their only GM and we usually get along, but sometimes we have our differences...but they don't try to get rid of me. Where is that's the vibe I'm getting from this. Anyway just my two nuyen, don't mind me.
OH and the comment about having a Fire Elemental to light their smokes was fraggin hilarious!
Tanka
Jan 5 2004, 05:28 PM
On another note: The GM should always be the final law. You might have your house rules, but if they don't make sense to him, he should have free reign to say so and change it.
I'd love the job (if I lived in the area), but not with all these restrictions and worries that I could lose my job if you didn't have fun.
simonw2000
Jan 5 2004, 09:48 PM
If I had a group to do with GM's for Hire, I'd have them well versed in at least two systems.
Kagetenshi
Jan 5 2004, 09:57 PM
Actually, Malichai, I like the fact that you're doing this from an ideological standpoint. A GM is providing a service like any actor, musician, or performer, and while I'd hate for it to turn into an industry the precedent of some groups hiring GMs is IMO a good one.
So yes, while I can't fill your position, I applaud you for having it. Just one iffy thing, though: does your GM retain ownership of the creative works he produces for your group? That's a very important consideration...
~J
malichai
Jan 6 2004, 04:43 AM
QUOTE (tanka) |
On another note: The GM should always be the final law. You might have your house rules, but if they don't make sense to him, he should have free reign to say so and change it.
I'd love the job (if I lived in the area), but not with all these restrictions and worries that I could lose my job if you didn't have fun. |
That's a rule in our group, the GM is always right. We decide rules before and after games, not during, and he would have his say just like anyone else about rules.
And frankly, whether you're getting paid or not, if we don't have fun, you're not going to GM for us anymore. But, you'd at least get a couple shots at it, and you'd be given input as to why we're not having fun.
malichai
Jan 6 2004, 04:44 AM
QUOTE (Kagetenshi) |
Actually, Malichai, I like the fact that you're doing this from an ideological standpoint. A GM is providing a service like any actor, musician, or performer, and while I'd hate for it to turn into an industry the precedent of some groups hiring GMs is IMO a good one. So yes, while I can't fill your position, I applaud you for having it. Just one iffy thing, though: does your GM retain ownership of the creative works he produces for your group? That's a very important consideration...
~J |
Of course, and power to them if they want to try and publish their work. Actually, they'd probably find some support from us if they wanted to do that.
Kagetenshi
Jan 6 2004, 04:56 AM
Score. Then I support you whole-heartedly and wish you great success in this, though I reserve the right to be envious of whoever manages to get the job.
~J
Fortune
Jan 6 2004, 04:58 AM
He still won't answer my question.
malichai
Jan 6 2004, 06:26 AM
QUOTE (Fortune) |
He still won't answer my question. |
Fortune, I'm sorry, I don't think we can sponser a foreign national. Or, if we could, we wouldn't cover any moving expenses. As much as I'd love to introduce you to some old friends of mine some time:
"Hi, yeah, this is Fortune. He's from Australia. I moved him to the United States just to run Shadowrun games for me. Nope, he doesn't do anything else. Oh, and yes, that is a fire elemental that just lit my cigarette."
Fortune
Jan 6 2004, 06:49 AM
QUOTE (malichai) |
Fortune, I'm sorry, I don't think we can sponser a foreign national. Or, if we could, we wouldn't cover any moving expenses. |
That's cool. Now, if I can cover my own moving expenses...
QUOTE |
As much as I'd love to introduce you to some old friends of mine some time:
"Hi, yeah, this is Fortune. He's from Australia. I moved him to the United States just to run Shadowrun games for me. Nope, he doesn't do anything else. Oh, and yes, that is a fire elemental that just lit my cigarette." |
Works for me!
krishcane
Jan 6 2004, 04:05 PM
QUOTE (malichai) |
"Hi, yeah, this is Fortune. He's from Australia. I moved him to the United States just to run Shadowrun games for me. Nope, he doesn't do anything else. Oh, and yes, that is a fire elemental that just lit my cigarette." |
This is the very definition of financial success.
--K
khazad
Jan 14 2004, 09:50 AM
Hoi chummer. Hear you;re lookin for a DM. Lawrence KS? Close - I'm in Topeka. Lawrence ain't that far a drive if the biz is good, what?
Anyway, look for an email from me, and we'll see what we can come up with. Sorry - I don't come with an earth elemental for lighting cigars.
-Dwarf
Kagetenshi
Jan 14 2004, 12:38 PM
Which is good, because then his cigar would get muddy.
~J
Rev
Jan 17 2004, 12:35 AM
What if there is some terrible twist to this?
Like: they play naked!
khazad
Jan 23 2004, 05:40 PM
No terrible twists like Rev mentioned..... just non-responsive. I tried emailing Malichai over a week ago. Wasn't too worried about the money (heck, anything would have been more than I normally get for gaming) but I needed a fix. I've either run or played extensively every system he was looking for, so I figured I at least had a chance - and if they're that professional about it, odds are it would be a stable gig. No response at all. Dunno if that means it was a joke or if they found someone else, but I never got a response from Malichai. Didn't even get a wrong address email - so the one he sent was kosher. Ah well. Back to searching around my local area for a gaming group.
-Dwarf
tisoz
Feb 3 2004, 02:50 AM
After yesterday's game day fiasco, I can understand hiring a GM.
To explain, we game only every other Sunday, usually for only about 4 hours. I do not think a day has lasted longer. Monday, I was 2000 - yes, 2000 - miles away and had the opportunity to travel to Alaska, and get paid for it. I have never been to Alaska and have been looking to go there for the last year. However, I knew I would miss game day, so declined. On Wednesday, I had made it to Wyoming and was still a 1000 miles away. I could have made a 100 mile detour and gotten paid around $400 to come the rest of the way home (I have picked up these gas money loads several times before and even had a broker calling me Friday to see about one), but would likely not be back until Monday. So I paid $150 to get home on time.
Saturday evening, I check my email and messages to find nothing from the group. I drive an hour one way to arrive at our gaming place to find no one present. I call to see if we are gaming.
No.
NO?!
No, so-and-so called late Friday to cancel and we aren't too happy about it either.
This is the third or fourth time I have driven an hour one way to have this happen, I also get to drive an hour back home. The canceller asked why I don't find a game closer to home, I have - there are 2 requests on this forum over the last couple years, but no responses.
Back on topic, I remembered this thread. Paying a GM, or group even to play at my convenience might seem extravagant, but look what it winds up costing me. There are times I would be going on the road on Wednesday or Thursday, but I forego doing so because I would not get back in time, only to have that weeks game cancelled. (Btw, these cancellations are not included in the 3 or 4 times I made the 2 hr. round trip for nothing.) I could easily pay three or four hundred dollars to a group to game for a few hours, in fact I have given up at least that much money to be present for the more than 6 last minute cancellations in the past nine months.
I think it's time to find a new group.
And not to brag but just to put what it costs me to miss a week of work, I made over $4000 last week, and it could have been over $4500 with the gas money load, figure about 600-700 dollars for expenses. Who knows what the Alaska trip would have put me at or what value to put on the disappointment of having turned down going for no reason as things turned out.
I keep on thinking, “If I had taken the Denver load and got home Monday, I could have paid a group $200 to play at my convenience and been money ahead. If I just go ahead and fit playing into my work schedule, I would be happier and money ahead.”
Kagetenshi
Feb 3 2004, 03:05 AM
Well, if anyone's hiring in the Boston area or commuting distance away, drop me a line and we'll talk. I may or may not have what you're looking for, but I'm willing to talk.
~J
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