China Doll is going wherever the bikes and garage go. So if Slam has the garage, and reasons to smuggle stuff for money, she's there.

I'm confused... is 'the gang's primary hideout' one of the three locations that follows? Or is it what we decide?

And if so, I volunteer the garage to be a hideout.

We can put that 1000m of monowire to good use.

I'd think the garage is definitly a main hang out.

Is that the same as a hide out? Dunno.

For a "hideout" I'm thinking something like a small old warehouse or the like. Somewhere that's pretty open where you could fit lots of people. Important since the gang is around 25-30 people now. [edit]The garage would fit if it's big enough.[/edit]

The other locations were not the hideout, but rather other parts of the 'hood you can start in.

Also added a new possible local A-Z selection, feel free to comment/edit/delete if wanted

I would like Thyn to start in Jun's Garage.


Thyme

TF starts out in the hideout, teaching korean spelling and grammer to his girlfriend Rachel Ng. For real, because, her father mentioned, that he didn´t notice any improvement lately.

Am I too late try try joining? It sounds like most of the gang parameters have already been set...my only suggestion would be to ask if anyone has seen The Warriors (and really, who hasn't?). They were a race-inclusive gang, were tough as hell, and had a pretty large number of enemies. Very inspiring film for a ganger game, IMO.

Anyway, if there's room in the gang, I'd like to join.

hmmm... temptation strikes...

hey TG, you got any problem with me completely redoing my character? same basic role (rigger-esque type ganger), but i'm thinking of trying out a technomancer, if that's ok (or were you counting those in the awakened category?)

just as some advance notes if you do allow it,i have the following questions:

1) can you hack a technomancer?
2) can i hook the technomancer directly to a device with high signal rating to get decent range?
3) can i buy sattellite links at chargen? (they are device rating 3, but have signal 8. availability is -, so if necessary i will just buy one after chargen sometime i guess).
4) not 100% sure on this... but how do you feel about a technomancer who uses traditional hacking methods as well as technomancer methods of doing things? i ask because, at first, it's going to be very hard to have sufficient complex forms to do much... so to cover the stuff i won't have forms for (such as, say, data bomb defusing) i was wondering if i could just use a commlink for that. if not, i guess i'll figure something else out...
5) if technomancers count as awakened, that means i do not get that single item of rating 6/avail 12... so do i get it or not?

of course, those questions only really matter if you're ok with a technomancer signing on... (we don't have any yet, to my knowledge, so i'm hoping it's ok... )

[edit] question 6 applies whether you allow the technomancer or not... how much do parts for building things cost? the only example given is for commlink customisation, where it says 1/2, but i figured that might not apply to everything. also, what is the availability for those parts? same as the equipment itself? more? less? depends on the item in question? [/edit]

[edit 2] oh, and str 1 limits your damage on close combat, but is not a problem if you rely on something with a set damage code (such as, say, a monowhip, a stun baton, the defiance ex shocker (what skill does that use for melee anyways?), etc...

also, question 7) can i skinlink to a technomancer's brain/whatever? [/edit2]

You could just move 2 points of Charisma to Strength.

Unless you want to be highly charismatic (5 is very high for a human).

Bye
Thanee

All Attributes cost 10bp. Except the last point of your maximum starting rating. It costs 25bp.

So... everyone starts out with 1 in everything (modified by race) and a maximum of 6 in everything (modified by race).

I'm a human. I want to be really strong, but I want to be efficient with my bp.

I buy STR up to 5 (for a total of 40bp) and skip buying up to 6 (for a total of 65bp).

That's the only sliding scale.

Skill checks are done by rolling a number of dice equal to the base attribute + the skill.

So my STR 5 guy with Climbing 4 gets to roll 9 dice to climb a wall.

The TN for everything is 5 and if you get a 5 you score a 'hit'. Each task has a 'threshold' which is how many hits you need to get to succeed. Easy tasks would require 1 hit, and hard ones up to 4.

If you have a ton of dice you can buy hits at a rate of 1 hit per 4 dice.

Now, modifiers to rolls are handled by adding or subtracting the number of dice you get to roll to make your test.

For my climbing guy, he has climbing gear, that's +1 die to my roll. So 10 dice now. It's raining, that's bad, so the GM says it's -2 to the dice pool. So I'm down to 8. The wall has lots of handholds but it's not trivial, the GM gives the test a threshold of 2.

I could chose to buy 2 hits and climb the wall. If the threshhold had been 3 I would have been forced to roll, and cross my fingers.

Thanks for clearing that up. I understand the rules better now.

We should decide if the Garage is the Gang's Primary Hideout now, since between the two places we have 5 people. If they are the same place, then no more people can start there. If there not the same place, then there is still room for more.



Thyme...


Fun Zoe:
1) JJ
2) Felix
3) Aziz

Stuffer Shack:
1) 0day
2) Toy Robot

Jun's Garage :
1) China Doll
2) Jun
3) Thyn


Gang's Primary Hideout
1) Shade
2) Auran



Edit:Updated
Edit:Updated again

Real fast...

Skills cost 4bp per level.

Climbing 1 costs 4bp.
Climbing 2 cost 8bp. Etc.

There are skill groups which cluster related skills that you can advance all at once for a savings in bp/karma.

For instance, Climbing is a part of the Athletics skill group which also includes Running, Swimming and Gymnastics.

Raising each level of a skill group costs 10bp.

Athletics group 1 10bp
Athletics group 2 20bp

Contacts are purchased by how Connected they are and how Loyal they are to you at 1bp per level.

So my climby-guy's Personal Trainer contact L3/C3 costs 6bp.

With a connection rating of 3, he's pretty well connected in his circles and he likes me pretty well. We have a friendly working relationship.

Resources give you 5k per point (or 2,500 for this low money start).

And Qualities are basically edges and flaws with the restriction of no more than 35bp of negative (or positive?) qualities.

If Santiago's (Jun's) garage is going to be the gang's hideout it'll need to share a wall with a warehouse so we can get the space we need. I don't see that as a problem... TG?

Aziz will start in the Fun Zoe

Skillwirres cost 2.000 per level (max Level 4, but Availability is Lvl*4, so no more then 3 if thats your only gear above Avail. 6 or Level 1, if you need something else with high Avail. (don´t think so)).
Datajack costs 500

So Skillwires I and Datajack would be in and would cover the most basic meat-puppet equipment.

Halo would be found in/near the garage/hangout.

I'm allowing characters pretty much indefinitely. However, if you want to start playing this month, I'd suggest you be quick about chargen

Well, you can do both, it'll just eat up a lot of points.

As the rules stand right now, I don't see any reason to actually have a technomancer software or hardware skill.

I almost finished TF´s thoughts on other gangers

I´m just to tired to do the last ones now, and I´ll go over them after some sleap anyway, but feel free to coment on whats up till now.

g´n8

oh yeah, well what if i wear clothing with wifi inhibiting paint, including a hat? =P would i still be vulnerable then (actually, i might seriously buy one set just for this purpose... i don't think i'd wear it all the time though. i imagine that would be hideously uncomfortable to a technomancer, even if they are getting access relayed through another wireless device.

frustrating how much is not specifically spelled out anywhere... i have other questions that i am wondering, but think they would best be asked elsewhere... so i'll ask them on the main boards =P

you are, of course, still welcome to answer (and naturally your opinion counts for more than all the rest, 'cause it's for this campaign =P )

[edit] actually, TG, what do you make of the text at the end of the jacking out heading on page 220? also the section on page 221, 'reboot', second paragraph. [/edit]

Hey Guys, I was bored so I decided to start our Group Contacts Page. I put it up in the Allies section from the Main Page. Please feel free to spend your group contact points in there, and also, add/edit the contacts.

Ones of interest, I put a point in a drug dealer, and a crooked cop. besides the basics. Feel free to help flesh out some contacts. I suppose if we have some contacts with less than 3 points, we can consolidate those points into other ones. Alright, so let's get 'er dunn!

excellent... so i presume if i cut the connection, however, i am pretty much reduced to non-technomancer methods of hacking/computer stuff, though? or would using trodes negate that, and allow me to be effectively the same as if i had skinlinked everything in my PAN and only use one device for going outside of that?

*sigh* I don't think Shade is going to be well liked by most of his fellow gangers.

Oh well, that's kind of the point I suppose, since the whole concept behind him, for those who were wondering, was to try playing a comparatively normal person in a very abnormal situation.

Sure, he's got some skills that are useful and he can certainly handle himself on the streets, but in the end he was a normal average citizen who simply got caught up in things beyond him. This should be interesting. I'm really excited to see how things unfold.

BTW, great job everyone with your thoughts on each other thus far! I have to say, some of the comments had me laughing out loud.

Hopefully this weekend I'll have time to work on figuring out the wiki page and get my character sheet and background up in a much more updated and readable format. Maybe then I'll get more comments from everyone on how their characters view me. *hint, hint*

Wounded Ronin and DireRadiant - Since your characters are the ones tied closest to mine, was there anything you wanted to work out with respects to mutual background? Specifically how they interact or perceive one another?

Winter Rat, 1 thing about shade, and since ur a newcomer you may not have noticed, but Contacts connection rating is maxed at 3. not the usual 6

Updated Halo's general impressions/feelings towards fellow gang members. Feel free to work with me on any of this and know I might edit/rework some of it in the near future. It's late and I'm dead tired so I make no promises that it's coherent

Ok, I haven't been following the list for a couple of days, and it looks like someone won out getting a Technomancer ahead of me. Guess I'll have to make a hacker or can I still get my creepy Matrix girl?

My idea (seeing as there is a call for one) Technomancer Artisan. Her parents own the local Tattoo parlour where she's learning the art of tattooing herself. When not doodling or Trix surfing she can be found hanging out at the Fun Zo e and (if possible) tinkers with the machines and keeps them running. Her favorites are fantasy role-playing games and racing games. Few know her real name: many call her BronzeWyrm (for her love of medieval dragons and the large Bronze Dragon tattoed on her arm.) Others call her that freeky goth-chick for her habit of wearing dark baggy clothes accented with spikes and leathers.

I'll roll up the character later this morning when I get home and have access to my BBB. I'll make a Hacker backup incase you've closed the door on Technos.

OK, I got depressed not seeing comments up about how the other gangers viewed Shade, and I reasoned it was because people might have missed the spoiler tag with all his info, so I worked on figuring out the wiki and got up his (almost completed) character sheet, background, and views of fellow gangers.

I'll polish him up this weekend and finalize the little details, storyline, his views of the others, etc.

We should decide if the Garage is the Gang's Primary Hideout now, since between the two places we have 5 people. If they are the same place, then no more people can start there. If there not the same place, then there is still room for more.



Thyme...


Fun Zoe:
1) JJ
2) Felix
3) Aziz

Stuffer Shack:
1) 0day
2) Toy Robot
3) Tao-Fighter

Jun's Garage :
1) China Doll
2) Jun
3) Thyn


Gang's Primary Hideout
1) Shade
2) Auran



Repost

I think that the Fun Zo e should be the primary gang hideout. It allows the mechanically orientated characters to have a place to their own and thus brings out the character differences more.

EDIT:

Great, my character is almost complete, I think: http://sr4gangers.wikispaces.com/ToyRobot

I just need someone to help me with equipment.

Thyme Lost

You forgot TF, which was also in the Hideout (before Auran IIRC), but he can teach his girlriend in another place as well. Or maybe...


...put Tao-Fighter up to the Stuffer, Rach was hungry (and nerfed from her real korean lessons insted of some hugging), so they went along with Toy Robot.

BTW I expect the Gang to give TF a gang-name in time, though that will not hapen before in-game starts, I think.

@Shades
I really appreciated your character run down, when you presented it here. I did not get to your character, because I did them in alphabetical order. But you can be sure, Shades is one of the members TF likes most, though there will be some fears and reflected self-doubts, as with everyone else.

EDIT: @ Wounded Ronin
I put up some gear for you. Notice, that she has no comlink! The cheapest version would cost 250 compleet with Operating System, but I thought, a good Machet has more worth to her, so geting a com woudn´t be on the top of her list. There is no conection in the bad places (i.e. the jungel) anyway .
For the start, some smoke and flash granades would have to suffice. The detcaps have an availability of 8, so she could ony have one anyway and I think they should be quiet easy to improvise. I put the excess mony into a holdout with flechete (not eaven a full clip) and a sprayer of Pepper Punch .

Neo is at the Fun Zoe, cleaning his gun.

Fun Zoe:
1) JJ
2) Felix
3) Aziz
4) Neo

Stuffer Shack:
1) 0day
2) Toy Robot
3) Tao-Fighter

Jun's Garage :
1) China Doll
2) Jun
3) Thyn


Gang's Primary Hideout
1) Shade
2) Auran

Finished Tao Fighters thoughts on other members.

I´ll take another look and re-edit them in time, but they are compleat and ready, so far.

@ Rokur
Would you mind, if Auran and TF had been romantically involved to some degree, somewer along the road in Vancouver? They are the same age, both elves and share some bg, but not as much, as to feel like siblings. This might have been nothing more then a first love, with no nasty detail, as they are still pretty young, or a full blown (no pun intended) sexual relationship.
In any way, this would be over since thair transfer to Seattle, though she would have no problems to confince him to warm up some old feelings, at least one night at a time (which would put him into a sever moral delemer with Rach, though).
I don´t know, how they would feel about it now, but thay might not know either (it allso depends on how intimate the relationship went).
If you dont think, thats cool, then TF simply had a crush on Auran during thair time in Vencouver, but she didn´t give into it.

Knives would split his time between Jun's Garage, his own tiny apartment, and the Gang's Primary Hideout.. usually looking for some action, either on the streets with his bike, defending the gang's turf, or playing some b-ball out back (he has one hell of a three-point shot).

Fun Zoe:
1) JJ
2) Felix
3) Aziz
4) Neo

Stuffer Shack:
1) 0day
2) Toy Robot
3) Tao-Fighter

Jun's Garage :
1) China Doll
2) Jun
3) Thyn
4) Knives

Gang's Primary Hideout
1) Shade
2) Auran

Looking at some of the thoughts on other gang members, I'm glad to see that everyone is "getting" JJ.

This is going to be a fun story. I hope JJ doesn't die before next week...

On the Gang Hideout:

I don't think that the Fun Zo e can be out hideout since it is owned by some other guy and other people will frequent it besides the gang members.

I would think a "secret" spot off of the garage would be nice. Of course, this means that the garage will be compromised one day. Losing a garage would hurt, I imagine, so it might be better to have the hideout be a different place.

I also think that it is very likely that we hang out at the garage often. Hanging out to me is different than hiding out though.

On Turf:

There are 9 votes for WinterRat's suggestion. 9 is a majority, so I think it is time to pick a name.

On Gang Name:

I've thrown out a couple of ideas, so I am not going to do that again. Here is a poll page for it. I am not sure that I got all the names that seemed to be liked. SO, if I left one off, or a variation of one, that you liked...add it back!

Silo You have read my mind, I was about to do the same thing, but had to get something to eat first

I added "410 Dollars", which just sprang to my mind, as I sifted through the names discussion in my mind and remembered one of the gang tags I proposed. I think it has a nice sound and is somewhat funny. I still can´t decide, which of the sugested names I like best though.

That sounds good to me, I´d like to follow this cours. It may allso speed up the poll abit, since peaple will be less reluctant to cast thair first vote.