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Mickle5125
I'm almost done with Tallon's char-sheet. I just have to finish arranging to gear into a readable format and determine 34 bp worth of contacts.

Speaking of: I plan on giving him a local group of smugglers who form his crew. Can I form them as a single group contact, or should I make them each independent contacts?
rob
@Mickle - Describe to me what 'his crew' is. Are they employees of his? If so, you can get them as a contact, but you'll have to pay them salaries and things. Are they an independent operation? If 'his crew' is a group, then you can take them as a group contact; but I need more specifics from you before I OK it.
Mickle5125
did you get my PM?
Mickle5125
Tallon (minus contacts)
Metatype: Ork
Gender: Male

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20 questions:
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Red-ROM
20 question(Done and done!!):
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rob
@Mickle: Did get your PM, and my brain just clicked into gear to realize what you're getting at. Right now I don't quite get how to work with your guy, basically on a couple questions. Are you on google, to IM? Need to work out some brass tacks with you, and it'll be easier on chat.

@Red-ROM: How did Max go to business school without a SIN? Online through a fake one? Aside from that, you're cooking.

@All: We got enough people to start something soon. I am busy this next week - will still be posting, but will not bank significant time to bump shit. I'm going to close recruiting next Friday. Basically, everybody needs to have their vignette/CONOP (concept of operation)/character sheet up. I'll post who's in and start the OOC/IC threads the following week. If you've had your sheet in for a while (Crizh, Summerstorm), post up your edits by Friday next week.
Red-ROM
Yeah, I figured a fake SIN at a cheap online or technical college.
Method
I'm still very interested in this game, but I haven't had a lot of time to hash out a character (I'm studying for a huge exam Thursday). I hope to have him done by Friday, but until then here is a very rough framework and vignette. Some of the build choices may seem odd, but they are specific to the background I had in mind. However, I am very seriously considering dropping his race and rewriting his history so this is likely to change a lot. Anyway, I think the vignette still gets the point across. Any feedback welcome.

Street Name: Echo (short for his old call sign "echo-7-delta")
Real Name: Kenji "Ken" Okamura

Vignette:
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Sheet:
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Lok1 :)
Is their a space open for one more, if so I'll start getting a character concept in my mind.
rob
@Method - those character decisions don't seem strange to me at all, they fit right in line with the concept. I am absolutely ambivalent about his race.

@Lok1 - Recruiting's open till Friday. If you can throw a fully developed character at me between now and then, he'll be considered along with the rest. If he ain't done by then, tho, you're SOL.

v/r
Rob
BlackHat
Doing a lot of catching up this week. I had thought that Rob meant LAST Friday when he said recruitment was closing, so I was basically waiting to hear one way on the other (having thought I missed the deadline to get the 20 questions in). I'll do my best to have them ready by this Friday, though.

Yay for second chances.
Mickle5125
still working on contacts. 34 bp really isn't as many contact points as I thought. I'll keep trying to squeeze out that one more contact.
Marwynn
Hi all. I'm throwing in Jairus for your consideration.

Concept:
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Vignette
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Twenty Questions
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Character Sheet
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Equipment

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Contacts

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I think a few things might be off. Like Knowledge and so on.

EDIT: Also, I know it's not a "shooty" campaign, but would it be possible to call the Ingram Smartgun and Ares Predator IV other types of guns? It seems like they're the guns that scream "Shadowrunner". They'll have the same stats, just look different.

I'd change the Ares Predator to a Seburo CX and the Ingram Smartgun to a Seburo C25. I just think they look cooler is all.
Method
Nice vignette, Marwynn. I like the way it illustrates how Jairus uses his contacts.
rob
@Marwynn - one of the problems with your vignette/20 questions/character concept is that explains precisely nothing about the decisions you made in your character sheet. For instance, what is his big regret? Who is his enemy? What the hell is is he famous for? Who does he work for? What does he do for them? Why did he get cybered?

The vignette and the 20 questions are neat, but they don't tell me what I need to know to GM your character. In between that and some oversights on the character sheet - Is he Erased, or a SINner? What kind of microdrone is his handheld sensor? - I need some more so I have a better image of what you're playing at. I would suggest fleshing out the character concept itself to tell me something about him.
Marwynn
My bad. I thought I did answer them, albeit in a roundabout way.

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If you need more info I could add more.

And thank you, Method.
budoka05
Going through the cast of runners, I realized there wasn't a guy who interacted with all the wage slaves who needed jobs done or could be used for jobs. Hence I've gone back to old school spy roots by developing a spy who can make almost anyone turn on their employers. Here is the vignette for my ex-spy, johnson, and asset development runner.

Vignette
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I'm still writing down the other parts of the char, so I shall post again soon.

crizh
I know I haven't posted in a bit but I am still here.

Things get a bit mad around Edinburgh during the Festival...

I'm trying to tidy up Mataglap's equipment as we speak. I discovered that I can't count so I've got a good 20BP's left over for more contacts which will keep me busy for a bit. I might be able to post a near finished sheet tonight.
rob
@Marwynn - that works a lot better. Kudos. Though I appreciate literary inference, I don't trust it for conveying the sort of details I need to get a picture exactly of what you're trying to run, and what I do with that. Couple GM things for the character:
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Aside from that, you're cooking with fire.

@Marwynn, Red-ROM : Pure curiosity, but why have the two social adept characters ignored the awesomest adept power in the world? (i.e., astral perception?)

@ALL - the last major shortage we have to address is some way to ensure your magical security and intelligence. If none of the character concepts touch that, well, you have an adventure hook at the very start (recruiting a mage).
tarbrush
I may well still throw my hat into the ring, and work up a mage. Been busy, but have a couple of days free to sort something out.
budoka05
I'm making my char a mystic adept, so I will cover magical intelligence.

However, what sort of magical intelligence should be covered? Surveillance, interrogation (ex mind probe), astral threat assessment?
Marwynn
QUOTE (rob @ Aug 25 2009, 05:54 PM) *
@Marwynn - that works a lot better. Kudos. Though I appreciate literary inference, I don't trust it for conveying the sort of details I need to get a picture exactly of what you're trying to run, and what I do with that. Couple GM things for the character:
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Aside from that, you're cooking with fire.

@Marwynn, Red-ROM : Pure curiosity, but why have the two social adept characters ignored the awesomest adept power in the world? (i.e., astral perception?)

@ALL - the last major shortage we have to address is some way to ensure your magical security and intelligence. If none of the character concepts touch that, well, you have an adventure hook at the very start (recruiting a mage).


Sweet thanks. I'll get to work on those now.

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EDIT 2: Also, how do you feel about Hawk Eye and the Cybereyes? Should I change that out to perhaps upgrade Perceptive?
Red-ROM
I only have 3 magic so far, a lot of room for growth, also it didn't seem to fit with my character idea. although it is awesome. also , a question. I'm focusing a lot on money laundering, and I'm wondering about the mechanics for it. I have forgery, do I supplement that with my computer skills? or business knowledge? or some combination thereof?
rob
@Red-ROM - Money laundering is, in Shadowrun, the same as it is in real life. It consists of lots of different biz to not make anyone notice where the money came from. In a 'cashless' world, it is very difficult. It also only happens for very large amounts of money. It will consist of, in short:
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Also, one note - business school is not technical school, it's college. Since the points are the same, you can switch 'em fine.

@Marwynn - Hawk eyes and cybereyes seems lame, esp. on top of a perception (visual) specialization. I have never understood why they put those qualities in there, save to munchkinize dice pools. I am ambivalent as to whether you want to keep it or change it to perceptive, though. Consider assensing skill instead. What I need for gear is monetary costs.

BTW - on the seburo pistols and stuff: you can make up something that looks like those and is functionally similar to the ingram smartgun x/ares predator if you want, but shove it under one of the companies that exists. I don't want to notionally create another gun manufacturer (unless they're a custom shop) to fit into the 2070 business world. Also, I don't metagame weapons - nobody will see you and go 'he has a predator and a smartgun, he must be a shadowrunner.' Other peeps use 'em too.

@Budoka, Tarbrush - I'm not going to tell you in advance what sort of magical intelligence you need, that's for yall to figger out. Think about it this way - if you were expecting to hire shadowrunners, look for magical business opportunities, prepare targets for missions, etc. (remember, scope of this campaign is 'everything you might call a fixer for') what sort of magical intelligence would you want?

@Crizh - Looking forward to it. I like mataglap, and think he might add a lot to the team. I'm quite interested in the angles you take on certain things (spoilered). Just don't make the kind of gear choices that make me go 'huh?' too much, or come across as rules-exploitative (ahem... 75 roommates), and we'll be cool.
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Red-ROM
in sr4 p. 128, business is listed as a professional skill (covered by tech school education), economics is listed as an academic skill(applying college education) but it seemed like business was more what i was looking for(when looking at specializations). Now it sounds like I need accounting, and i'm not sure where that would fall...??
rob
@Red-ROM - There's lots of technical aspects of business, like 'how to get a license' and 'how to start up a limited liability corporation' and stuff lke that, which would be highly technical and nation specific. Specific accounting practices fall in there. But business schools don't teach those - business schools teach things like 'how to figger out how big a market your product might reach' or 'how to target advertising' or 'how to price a derivative financial instrument.' There's lots of those, and your character can know those without having the technical school' or 'college educated' qualities. 'technical school' means he knows a lot of precise, technical things (like accounting); 'college educated' indicates a general liberal arts education. Depends less on his specific skills and more on what kind of school he went to and what other stuff he learned there.
Digital Heroin
Ok, I'm home, finally have a computer that works (a sexy, sexy new i7 powered beast), and I'm finishing up The Suit's sheet. Should be posting in a few hours, after some polish and writing up a vignette.
Marwynn
Hey rob I've made some changes to Jairus. I'm using the Excel SR4 generator, so I can give that to you for easier tracking. I'll also post it when it's been finalized so we can keep track on the board without having to refer to the file, with the costs and everything.
Marwynn
Here's Jairus 2.0 with quite a few changes.

Jairus' Character Sheet:

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Contacts:

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There's a lot of gear and such left, I'll post those later because I need a nap after doing that!

Here are the firearms though, renamed as you requested.

Firearms
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Notes:
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rob
@Marwynn - Nope, this is fine. The decisions make a hell of a lot more sense to me now. Re: Combat crazy - forgetaboutit. It makes sense with the backstory, is not over the top, and makes him a rounded and believable character. I'm fine with the perception rolls as well.
Red-ROM
QUOTE (rob @ Aug 25 2009, 09:33 PM) *
@Red-ROM - There's lots of technical aspects of business, like 'how to get a license' and 'how to start up a limited liability corporation' and stuff lke that, which would be highly technical and nation specific. Specific accounting practices fall in there. But business schools don't teach those - business schools teach things like 'how to figger out how big a market your product might reach' or 'how to target advertising' or 'how to price a derivative financial instrument.' There's lots of those, and your character can know those without having the technical school' or 'college educated' qualities. 'technical school' means he knows a lot of precise, technical things (like accounting); 'college educated' indicates a general liberal arts education. Depends less on his specific skills and more on what kind of school he went to and what other stuff he learned there.


Well I'm confused. I guess this is one of those grey areas not coverd by the game mechanics. I also guess I need to change some things with my character. do I need an accounting skill? or money Laundering skill? It seems like you would like me to drop "technical school" which would free up 5bp. do I need another/different contact? should I give up on being a money launderer all together. It might take too many build points to pull off and still be usefull.
Marwynn
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@Marwynn - Nope, this is fine. The decisions make a hell of a lot more sense to me now. Re: Combat crazy - forgetaboutit. It makes sense with the backstory, is not over the top, and makes him a rounded and believable character. I'm fine with the perception rolls as well.


Cool thanks. I've made some modifications to that though, going back to Perceptive Rank 1.

I've been working a bit on Commlinks. I don't know how big an impact the Matrix will have in this game. But I dedicated enough resources to make it believable for someone like Jairus who only knows how to use the day-to-day stuff.

Commlinks
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rob
Post deleted, I changed my mind.
budoka05
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Going through the cast of runners, I realized there wasn't a guy who interacted with all the wage slaves who needed jobs done or could be used for jobs. Hence I've gone back to old school spy roots by developing a spy who can make almost anyone turn on their employers. Here is the vignette for my ex-spy, johnson, and asset development runner.


Although I realized that this build would be able to do very little magical intelligence work, I decided to finish the build. I'm in the process of designing another char who is entirely magically inclined, but

here are the char Stats for my spy:

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Gear:
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Questions will be posted in a few
Marwynn
Rob do you think I'm overdoing it a bit with the Commlinks?

I'm also fine-tuning the guns as part of his backstory. Giving him some holdouts and Light Pistols. I'll upload the Excel file here as there's an awful lot of gear.

Please lemme know if the Commlinks are too much (especially with that Agent),
rob
@Marwynn - Dood, I ain't gonna critique your commlink choices. Can't get an agent above 4 at chargen, but aside from that, purchase what you think you need. I'm usually of the opinion of one big one, one useful one, and one throwaway, and buy another when you get burned. You're going along those lines.

@Budoka - I don't see why that guy sucks at magical intelligence. He's got enough capabilities to do stuff, even though he won't be breaking through the astral security at Aztechnology. He's certainly got more than the rest of the crew. I fail to see why being an adept is at all necessary to the concept, given that you lose the awesomeness of being a full mage, but c'est la vie.
Digital Heroin
The sheet:

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Jared is contact heavy, and gear light, but he's not worried. He lives more than comfortably, has steady income, and if things get dangerous, well he's got Gabriel. Any gear he feels he needs for a meet he purpose buys for that meet itself.

Snippet of play-style:

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Twenty questions shall follow. Sorry for the delay.
rob
@Red-ROM - Aight, I took a pace back, reread 'college educated' and 'technical school educated' in Runner's companion, and you're right, I'm wrong, Technical school is, by the book, what you should go for and fits better with your background. *sorry*. A 'good enough' money laundering capability, looking at your dude, would require the following, spoilered. Since I was confusing before, I'll let you make modifications after I close recruitment for this stuff.
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@Marwynn, Digital Heroin - Also reread Erased, and it confused the s**t out of me, like it normally does, since it states both 'better than SINless' and 'data that you wish is burnt.' So, the question in my mind is whether or not I should let you take SINner for bonus points as a negative quality, since the positive quality of Erased kind of eliminates the disadvantages. You should note by the structure of the question that I'm already leaning to an answer. Either convince me otherwise or change it.

@Digital Heroin - Couple questions, re: your dude. Spoilered. Aside from that, I like the concept a lot. Internally consistent, makes sense, etc. The non-shadow influence the guy has will be incredibly useful.
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Marwynn
Oh I took out Erased and kept SINner. I got Analytical Mind, First Impression, and Perceptive (1) now.

It's probably better if I use my contacts to accomplish what Erased does to emphasize his Face-ness, get his friends to do it and pay them. I'm finalizing the things now, making a few more adjustments.

Also what's your stance on BP and starting money? If I have 1 or 2 BP left and some leftover, do I start out with that or should I just buy something? I ask because a Face needs some grease money to make things smooth, so he has to drop some nuyen.gif here and there.
rob
@Marwynn - Remember, Will's starting up a field office. He will have seed money for greasing things. This should suggest that you buy stuff, and there's ALWAYS more stuff to buy. When in doubt, drones.
Digital Heroin
@Digital Heroin - Couple questions, re: your dude. Spoilered. Aside from that, I like the concept a lot. Internally consistent, makes sense, etc. The non-shadow influence the guy has will be incredibly useful.
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Spoilered:

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Marwynn
May I present Ethan De Guzman, aka "Jairus".

I'll type it all out tomorrow. He has 475 nuyen.gif left and I may just buy him a stock Ares Predator and a Streetline to be taken away when getting pat down and such. Or as extra pocket money.

In any case, I'm satisfied with it so I leave it to you rob if there are parts you want changed.
BlackHat
... and here it is Friday, already. smile.gif I apologize for how slow I've been to put everything together, the timing for this game did not mesh well with my work schedule. I'll leave what I have there for consideration, but I understand if there are more fully developed concepts that get the slot. wink.gif If not, that'd be awesome too, because I have cleared my plate at work (or will have, after today). Either way, I am looking forward to following this game.
Mickle5125
Friday is indeed here. my contacts aren't quite what I want them to be, but they'll do for now.

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crizh
OK, this is in the final stretch, I'm not done with gear yet but I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. I'll let you see what I have seeing as it is Friday already....


Mataglap

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edit - minor gear tweak, forgot the darn paint.
Summerstorm
Ok... i have updated my Sheet on the second page.

I mainly juggled a bit with my money and contacts: Changed my armorer facility into a shop, bought a bigger car for a bit of money (Now i can transport people and things easier). The other money i changed into points for contacts (two more covering all my needs). Also i downgraded my backup-node, but got me two skills more: Gunnery and Negotiations both a 1. Just to set the mood for my advancement. I will use autosofts normaly for gunnery. (But i only have one unmodified combat drone at the moment)

Should all be ok now.

See you guys.
rob
@BlackHat - Your dude ain't that far from done. As long as you can throw together some contacts and tell me where the hell to find the 'heightened concentration' adept power, you can do something. I know you've got something rattling around in your head, just outline it in the level of detail you have available.

@Method, Budoka - Need to hear back from you regarding any edits/etc. you want to put in.

@Digital Heroin - I came to a couple decisions regarding your character. My reasoning behind them is spoilered:
1. You have two options for erased:
a. Keep erased, but send me a precise list of what kind of datatrail you want to keep and what you want the hacker to eliminate. He can work around flexibly, but eliminating 'some' datatrail is a lot harder the eliminating 'all' datatrail.
b. drop erased, but pay your hacker a monthly fee to eliminate datatrail within the time period or work it around in lifestyle-security or the 'matrix privacy' qualities
2. Drop the two SINs. He can have bonus points for one, or he would have turned in his Horizon passport when he naturalized UCAS (or vice versa).
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budoka05
Contact are up. Please do not hesitate to ask about modifications.

Contacts
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budoka05
Note: Convo is IC as if he was given a truth serum.

Also, a lot of questions are not completed or still need revising. I haven't had time to write down everything yet.

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BlackHat
I imagined that the heightened concentration would be the ability for Artisan to get totally wrapped up in whatever is inspiring him at the moment, so he can focus on whatever project (usually art, or a forgery, or something of that nature). I imagine him being totally captivated by someone else's "art" as well, and basically blocking out all distractions so that he can soak it up.

Contact wise, I set aside 41 points. and had 4 ideas for groups (art-scene/dealers, fashion-scene, media-contacts, and up-and-coming shadowrunners). Lets collapse the first two together into a group of artististic people (some of whom are into fashion), and split the points more-or-less evenly across them as group contacts, that's 13 points a piece, which doesn't go far, either, but should do.

Loyalty 1 (Business relationships), Connection 3 (meets people regularly, has some pull), 15-19 members +1, Area of influence (Global) +6, Minor magic assets +1, active matrix presence +1 = total of 13 points, each.

Two points left over, so lets use that to increase his art-scene group contacts to ~99 members - since that's his main scene - and increase the loyalty of the media group contacts to 2 - since they'd be the ones who are probably asked for favors (clean up, cover up, privacy) the most often.
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