Delarn
Feb 27 2010, 03:15 PM
Minotaur Medic/Adept with healing power and Boosted ini.
Power
Empathic Healing 0,5 Transfer Physical wounds from others to you
Improved Reflexes II 2,5 +2 Reaction/+2 Initiative Pass
Rapid Healing 3 0,75 +3 dice to healing tests
Pain Relief 1 Heal Stun damage for others
Sustenance 0,25 Only require 3 hours sleep and 1 meal/day
Killing Hands 0,5 Unarmed does Physical & pierces Immunity
Supernatural Toughness (Physical) 0,5 +1 to physical condition monitor per level
Skills:
Unarmed Combat 3
First Aid 5
Cybertechnology 2 (Not sure if I'll keep this one)
Medicine 5
Dodge 4
Automatics 4
Pilot Aircraft 1
Background: After a job to save someone who didn't deserve it Gro left the Docwagon medic team to enter the shadow. He had to save the criminal that killed his parents.
Karoline
Feb 27 2010, 07:08 PM
Some improved ability power for first aid and medicine could go quite a long way, likely alot further than rapid healing actually.
I wouldn't imagine the automatics or unarmed combat to be from a docwagon past, but there are certainly other reasons to have the skill. I also figure you'd be more likely to get a pilot groundcraft for an ambulance than a pilot aircraft for the evac chopper.
How long does Empathic healing take? If it is longer than first aid it is of seriously limited use. Of course the empathic healing and rapid healing could be great from an RP perspective, but they aren't so wonderful from a mechanics one.
Delarn
Feb 27 2010, 09:05 PM
DAMNED I didn't check the description.
Empathic healing is tooooooooooooo long to operate in the swift of a combat.
I'm going to work it up and send a other preview.
Critias
Feb 27 2010, 09:10 PM
QUOTE (Karoline @ Feb 27 2010, 02:08 PM)

Some improved ability power for first aid and medicine could go quite a long way, likely alot further than rapid healing actually.
I wouldn't imagine the automatics or unarmed combat to be from a docwagon past, but there are certainly other reasons to have the skill.
Automatics, heavy weapons, pistols...take your pick. They go in armed to the teeth, depending on the level of contract, etc. Unarmed combat at 2-3 I could see, too, since it could be justified as something he picked up from other DW employees (combat vet types, or whatever), even if not official training. But firearm skills? Yeah, I imagine they get those on-the-job.
It's the Minotaur bit that gets me. I'm not sure how metahuman friendly they are even with the "normal" kinds, and I can imagine being that size would get old awful quick in an already-crowded DocWagon vehicle.
Karoline
Feb 27 2010, 09:27 PM
QUOTE (Critias @ Feb 27 2010, 04:10 PM)

Automatics, heavy weapons, pistols...take your pick. They go in armed to the teeth, depending on the level of contract, etc. Unarmed combat at 2-3 I could see, too, since it could be justified as something he picked up from other DW employees (combat vet types, or whatever), even if not official training. But firearm skills? Yeah, I imagine they get those on-the-job.
It's the Minotaur bit that gets me. I'm not sure how metahuman friendly they are even with the "normal" kinds, and I can imagine being that size would get old awful quick in an already-crowded DocWagon vehicle.
Hmm, I'd always figured that when they went into a high danger zone that they
didn't fire back. Saw them as more 'neutral'. Thus why I didn't say anything about dodge, because I figure that would be the main way they would stop themselves getting hurt, not by taking down security guards and cops. That would after all amount to a declaration of war since companies are their own nations (basically).
I'd forgotten to mention about the minotaur part, though I'd intended to. I agree that it seems unlikely that DocWagon would be real interested in a Minotaur. A troll maybe because he could act as a meat shield and easily carry anyone that gets downed, but a minotaur seems like you'd run into a rather large race issue.
Tanegar
Feb 27 2010, 09:41 PM
Why? A minotaur might get some weird looks outside the Mediterranean (I'm assuming; RC doesn't actually give their home region), but I can't imagine they'd be discriminated against any more (or less, depending your preferred level of dystopia) than any other metavariant.
Delarn
Feb 27 2010, 09:50 PM
The Minotaur part is my "Touch" to the character. I can't play something normal. I was going fo a Centaur first but a Centaur with medical knowledge and university degree... I don't think so !
Delarn
Feb 27 2010, 10:11 PM
Update on powers :
Improved Tech. Ability [First Aid] 4 1 +4 dice to techincal skill
Improved Reflexes II 2,5 +2 Reaction/+2 Initiative Pass
Freefall 0,25 Reduce falling effect by 2 meters/level
Pain Relief 1 Heal Stun damage for others
Sustenance 0,25 Only require 3 hours sleep and 1 meal/day
Killing Hands 0,5 Unarmed does Physical & pierces Immunity
Supernatural Toughness (Physical) 0,5 +1 to physical condition monitor per level
Update on skills:
Unarmed Combat 3
First Aid 5
Survival 2 Or Sky Diving If there is an active skill on that name
Medicine 5
Dodge 4
Automatics 4
Pilot Aircraft 1
The Minotaur is from the heavy units. He has to sky dive (free fall power).
Brol_The_Mighty
Feb 27 2010, 11:48 PM
You can't benefit from Improved Ability (anything) higher than 3, because its based off of the level of skill you have. The highest you can benefit from is skill 6, with improved skill of 3.
Critias
Feb 27 2010, 11:57 PM
QUOTE (Karoline @ Feb 27 2010, 04:27 PM)

Hmm, I'd always figured that when they went into a high danger zone that they didn't fire back. Saw them as more 'neutral'. Thus why I didn't say anything about dodge, because I figure that would be the main way they would stop themselves getting hurt, not by taking down security guards and cops. That would after all amount to a declaration of war since companies are their own nations (basically).
Check out some of the earlier stuff on 'em (
Missions, maybe?) and they're pretty well armed. I guess they might have changed that going into SR4 or something, but traditionally they've gone in shootin' if they need to.
Karoline
Feb 28 2010, 12:06 AM
QUOTE (Brol_The_Mighty @ Feb 27 2010, 06:48 PM)

You can't benefit from Improved Ability (anything) higher than 3, because its based off of the level of skill you have. The highest you can benefit from is skill 6, with improved skill of 3.
QUOTE
You
cannot have more additional dice than your base skill rating.
Improved Ability does not actually improve a skill’s rating,
it only provides additional dice for tests involving the skill.
[/argument]
Tanegar
Feb 28 2010, 12:35 AM
QUOTE (Delarn @ Feb 27 2010, 05:11 PM)

Survival 2 Or Sky Diving If there is an active skill on that name

Parachuting is a Body-linked Active Skill; one of its listed specializations is "Recreational (standard skydiving)." For your concept, however, I would recommend either the Low Altitude specialization, or Static Line. Skydiving parachutes are rather different in design than (para)military airborne-insertion parachutes, and I imagine the skills involved don't translate particularly well from one to the other.
Delarn
Feb 28 2010, 12:42 AM
QUOTE (Karoline @ Feb 27 2010, 07:06 PM)

[/argument]
Ok so I remove 2 points ? I'll put them into Free Fall
QUOTE (Tanegar @ Feb 27 2010, 07:35 PM)

Parachuting is a Body-linked Active Skill; one of its listed specializations is "Recreational (standard skydiving)." For your concept, however, I would recommend either the Low Altitude specialization, or Static Line. Skydiving parachutes are rather different in design than (para)military airborne-insertion parachutes, and I imagine the skills involved don't translate particularly well from one to the other.
Static Line would be better. Thanks !
Professor Evil Overlord
Feb 28 2010, 01:46 AM
QUOTE (Critias @ Feb 27 2010, 03:57 PM)

Check out some of the earlier stuff on 'em (Missions, maybe?) and they're pretty well armed. I guess they might have changed that going into SR4 or something, but traditionally they've gone in shootin' if they need to.
Yep,
Missions (the SR2 module, not the official campaign), also the
Neo Anarchist's Guide to Real Life. Both books list standard gear, vehicles, and some stats. Doc Wagon is pretty well armed, uses gel rounds, and will fire on anyone who fires on them.
Missions has a pretty detailed description of their standard operating procedures, and includes an adventure where the PCs pose as temporary Doc Wagon employees.
Delarn
Feb 28 2010, 01:47 AM
QUOTE (Karoline @ Feb 27 2010, 07:06 PM)

QUOTE
QUOTE (Brol_The_Mighty @ Feb 27 2010, 06:48 PM)
You can't benefit from Improved Ability (anything) higher than 3, because its based off of the level of skill you have. The highest you can benefit from is skill 6, with improved skill of 3.
QUOTE (Karoline)
You
cannot have more additional dice than your base skill rating.
Improved Ability does not actually improve a skill’s rating,
it only provides additional dice for tests involving the skill.
[/argument]
So I can still have the 4 point in there it will only help my first aid skill with 4 additional dices ...
Karoline
Feb 28 2010, 02:08 AM
QUOTE (Delarn @ Feb 27 2010, 08:47 PM)

So I can still have the 4 point in there it will only help my first aid skill with 4 additional dices ...
Correct. There are only two things which limit how much improved ability you can get in a particular skill. And that is the rating of the skill itself, and your magic attribute. As long as you are not over either of these, you're golden. So no need to reduce it by 2 points, 4 is good.
Delarn
Feb 28 2010, 02:20 AM
QUOTE (Karoline @ Feb 27 2010, 09:08 PM)

Correct. There are only two things which limit how much improved ability you can get in a particular skill. And that is the rating of the skill itself, and your magic attribute. As long as you are not over either of these, you're golden. So no need to reduce it by 2 points, 4 is good.
If I specialize it to Combat wounds (well Docwagon is combat oriented emergencies) Will those 4 dice still applie ?
Karoline
Feb 28 2010, 02:26 AM
QUOTE (Delarn @ Feb 27 2010, 09:20 PM)

If I specialize it to Combat wounds (well Docwagon is combat oriented emergencies) Will those 4 dice still applie ?
Yep. Specialties just apply 2 extra dice when doing your specialty, and you still get to make use of bonus dice to the base ability.
Delarn
Feb 28 2010, 02:47 AM
So it'S Logic+First Aid+Adept+Spec when dealing with combar wounds ! AWESOME !
Karoline
Feb 28 2010, 02:48 AM
QUOTE (Delarn @ Feb 27 2010, 09:47 PM)

So it'S Logic+First Aid+Adept+Spec when dealing with combar wounds ! AWESOME !
Don't forget +medkit.
Delarn
Feb 28 2010, 03:03 AM
4+5+4+2+6 = 21 Dice to fix my party members ! YEAH !
Brol_The_Mighty
Feb 28 2010, 03:25 AM
In SR4A pg. 196 under Improved Ability
"increases the rating of the Active skill by 1 per level. A skill's maximum modified rating equals its base rating x 1.5."
Meaning that you can only benefit from 3 levels of Improved Ability, and that's IF you've got a 6 in that ability.
Karoline
Feb 28 2010, 12:40 PM
Hmm, I didn't realize they'd changed that. It isn't in the changelist, only that they reworded it to include vehicle skills.
Could you include the entire paragraph for the description of the improved ability ability? I thought I'd seen some builds that still used it the old way.
Delarn
Feb 28 2010, 12:57 PM
updated to be cannon !
Heath Robinson
Feb 28 2010, 01:57 PM
QUOTE (Karoline @ Feb 28 2010, 12:40 PM)

Hmm, I didn't realize they'd changed that. It isn't in the changelist, only that they reworded it to include vehicle skills.
QUOTE (Shadowrun BBB Errata v1.8 )
p. 187 Improved Ability
The firrst paragraph should read:
“This power increases the rating of a specific Active skill by 1 per level. A skill’s maximum modified rating equals its base rating x 1.5. Improved ability must be purchased for a specific skill, not a skill group.”
It's not a change applied in the Anniversary round of errata, but arguably the changes doc should include the full set of errata since the first printing.
Delarn
Feb 28 2010, 09:48 PM
I have to build the why he got into the docwagon and all.
Squinky
Mar 1 2010, 01:19 AM
I was gonna barge in here with the 1.5 x skill limit thing. Looks like its been covered.
If I remember right it was an early errata?
Delarn
Mar 1 2010, 01:42 AM
It's in the SR4A
Delarn
Apr 3 2010, 01:05 AM
This character got awesome and more awesome that I would like to design a spell for him. Health spells only.
1. That remove permanently stun damages to a very restrictive target (Patient attended at the moment) Range touch.
2. Alleviate Stun (Sustained) Don't suffer from (Hit) stun damage. Range LOS. Very restrictive target (crew members).
would it work ?
Method
Apr 3 2010, 01:56 AM
I wouldn't give a restricted target bonus for "patient attended at the moment". That basically ammounts to anybody he wants to attend to, which is not a restricted target.
Glyph
Apr 3 2010, 02:09 AM
QUOTE (Delarn @ Apr 2 2010, 06:05 PM)

This character got awesome and more awesome that I would like to design a spell for him. Health spells only.
1. That remove permanently stun damages to a very restrictive target (Patient attended at the moment) Range touch.
2. Alleviate Stun (Sustained) Don't suffer from (Hit) stun damage. Range LOS. Very restrictive target (crew members).
would it work ?
The rules pretty baldly state "No techniques currently known to magic can erase Stun damage...". The closest you can get are the Awaken and Resist Pain spells.
Delarn
Apr 3 2010, 02:12 AM
QUOTE (Glyph @ Apr 2 2010, 10:09 PM)

The rules pretty baldly state "No techniques currently known to magic can erase Stun damage...". The closest you can get are the Awaken and Resist Pain spells.
Thanks and quote pages

I would like to see it please
Mongoose
Apr 3 2010, 02:26 AM
I see no reason Doc Wagon wouldn't hire a Minotaur. They are an Ares owned company, IIRC. Ares is pretty meta-friendly, or tries to loo it. Its not like the guy was in management; as a Paramedic, he's firmly in a blue collar position where management can use publicity photos of him for marketing without having to ever smell him. And given that DocWagon has troll clients, they would need paramedics who can lift a troll (onto a gurney, at least). If he was on an HTR team (as seems implied) his race and military background are even MORE of a bonus.
In fact, my thinking is more that this guy is too GOOD to be an ex DocWagon HtR paramedic. Surely if he was unhappy with his job, they would have tried all they could to retain him. That is, unless he did something that made it impossible for them to keep him, or directly pissed somebody off.
Glyph
Apr 3 2010, 12:55 PM
QUOTE (Delarn @ Apr 2 2010, 06:12 PM)

Thanks and quote pages

I would like to see it please

In my book (SR4, not SR4A), it is on page 199, the first paragraph under the
HEALTH SPELLS heading.
Delarn
Apr 3 2010, 02:04 PM
QUOTE (Mongoose @ Apr 2 2010, 09:26 PM)

I see no reason Doc Wagon wouldn't hire a Minotaur. They are an Ares owned company, IIRC. Ares is pretty meta-friendly, or tries to loo it. Its not like the guy was in management; as a Paramedic, he's firmly in a blue collar position where management can use publicity photos of him for marketing without having to ever smell him. And given that DocWagon has troll clients, they would need paramedics who can lift a troll (onto a gurney, at least). If he was on an HTR team (as seems implied) his race and military background are even MORE of a bonus.
In fact, my thinking is more that this guy is too GOOD to be an ex DocWagon HtR paramedic. Surely if he was unhappy with his job, they would have tried all they could to retain him. That is, unless he did something that made it impossible for them to keep him, or directly pissed somebody off.
Killing a client that killed his parents ...
Delarn
Apr 3 2010, 02:04 PM
QUOTE (Glyph @ Apr 3 2010, 07:55 AM)

In my book (SR4, not SR4A), it is on page 199, the first paragraph under the HEALTH SPELLS heading.
Thanks
Critias
Apr 3 2010, 03:18 PM
QUOTE (Delarn @ Apr 3 2010, 10:04 AM)

Killing a client that killed his parents ...
You know that tends to do more than get you fired, right?
Delarn
Apr 3 2010, 04:40 PM
QUOTE (Critias @ Apr 3 2010, 10:18 AM)

You know that tends to do more than get you fired, right?
Not when you use medical knowledge to kill him. He didn't reanimated him right and crushed his rib cage instead of doing the heart massage. It passes for an error, he then did a "nervous breakdown". He was still "Working" for them but he is not really because of his burnout, after a few months after his return supposed return date he decided to quit. He then started running for a street doc and became his personnal paramedic. He got Docwagons uniforms at home and he made a reversible jacket with the logo of Docwagon. He tend to use it has cover when the cops get by.
Yeah he's a strange guy !
Critias
Apr 3 2010, 07:41 PM
Then he didn't get let go for killing someone, he just quit (as far as anyone knows). There's an awful big difference there, and what you said didn't really answer Mongoose's statement very clearly.
Glyph
Apr 3 2010, 10:44 PM
I don't agree with Mongoose that the character is "too good" to let go. I imagine that a job like DocWagon is like being an EMT in a war zone, with a high rate of burnout and a brisk turnover. So someone showing signs of wear and tear from the stress would most likely be kicked to the curb (rather than receiving treatment, counseling, or paid time off).
Delarn
Apr 4 2010, 02:51 AM
QUOTE (Critias @ Apr 3 2010, 03:41 PM)

Then he didn't get let go for killing someone, he just quit (as far as anyone knows). There's an awful big difference there, and what you said didn't really answer Mongoose's statement very clearly.
1. He admited to have made a mistake because of anger against the one who killed his parents.
2. He was the adoptive son of his superior.
3. They made the report so he was not guilty of murder but for a medical mistake.
4. He was on nervous break down because he was told so.
5. He quitted because he was told so.
6. Official story to the internal bureaucracy was the one I wrote before.
QUOTE (Glyph @ Apr 3 2010, 06:44 PM)

I don't agree with Mongoose that the character is "too good" to let go. I imagine that a job like DocWagon is like being an EMT in a war zone, with a high rate of burnout and a brisk turnover. So someone showing signs of wear and tear from the stress would most likely be kicked to the curb (rather than receiving treatment, counseling, or paid time off).
He got the threatment and stuff because of his adoptive parent that was his superior.
Mongoose
Apr 4 2010, 03:12 AM
Discharging staff due to psychological issues is a bad idea (without providing treatment) when part of your bussiness is the treatment of psychological disorders. DocWagon is a full on medical provider; they don't just do emergency trauma.
Delarn
Apr 4 2010, 03:18 AM
QUOTE (Mongoose @ Apr 3 2010, 10:12 PM)

Discharging staff due to psychological issues is a bad idea (without providing treatment) when part of your bussiness is the treatment of psychological disorders. DocWagon is a full on medical provider; they don't just do emergency trauma.
He did something reprehensible, his supperior (Father by adoption) covered him up and made him quit.
Mongoose
Apr 4 2010, 03:40 AM
Yeah, and I've certainly seen (and used) worse backgrounds. I was just pointing out ANOTHER good reason Doc Wagon would have provided (or let his superior provide) psych treatment.
Critias
Apr 4 2010, 03:16 PM
*shrugs* Whatever you and the GM agreed on, buddy. If it works for you, it works.
Delarn
Apr 5 2010, 01:29 AM
QUOTE (Critias @ Apr 4 2010, 10:16 AM)

*shrugs* Whatever you and the GM agreed on, buddy. If it works for you, it works.
I'm planing to have him turned into a even more heal freak but The GM is not allowed to know it
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