Basically whoever wrote the Turn To Goo spell, and any other spell that distinguishes between a character and his implants, needs to be slapped upside the head. When you're done with that, go find the lead designers and slap them upside the head, too, for not rejecting that shit the second they saw it. And after you're done slapping them around, the editors need to have their heads slapped for not pointing it out and wagging their fingers angrily. It's completely antithesis to how magic, Essence, and spell targeting works.
It's even more stupid because it's basically an Instant Death spell for anyone with significant implants. Turn them to goo, then drop the spell a second later. Now all their implants are sitting on the floor or half-in/half-out of their bodies. The spell doesn't effect cyberware at all, which means it doesn't auto-magically levitate it back up and re-arrange it when the spell ends, either.
But it's in the game now, and I know for a fact that the original poster has no interest in debating it... so no real point in bothering.
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Funk, I agree 3000% that turn to goo should have never made it in the rulebooks, however, since it is there, I was looking for a decent use for it.
| QUOTE (Glyph) |
| How would shape goo and clean goo not be new spells? Just because they have shape/clean element spells doesn't mean that shape/clean spells for everything else exist. And neither would be any use to you. Shape goo would let you make snot castles out of the goop, but wouldn't let you sort cyberware out of it any more than shape earth would let you pan for gold, or even find a lost contact lens. Clean goo would get rid of the non-goo items, not separate them out. @Sion_Smee: You can't specifically target cyberware. Which Turn to Goo does, in a way, but I agree with Ravor that Turn to Goo violates the rules of magic as set forth in the books. |
The same way shape water, shape earth or shape air are not new spells either, because shape [element] is open ended and you can pick any element you want.
As far as shape goo, as I said, the point is to shape goo, and have the entirety of the goo move 5 meters away, since the spell can ONLY affect goo, the cyberware sits there and doesn't move at all, and surprise, now the goo is 5 meters away from the cyber, pick up the cyber, then move the goo into your bucket you're going to be keeping it in. Done.
Hmm, another thought, I think everyone can agree that all cyberware would sink in liquids being that it is mostly (if not entirely) metal, would goo float? Could it float? If so, you just need a liquid that won't damage cyberware, but goo will float in, drop the whole mess in, and the goo slowly sifts to the top, and the 'ware slowly drops to the bottom.
If I am catching this properly, they actually say that it doesn't affect cyberwear... that leaves you one simple option.
Ignore the moronic rule and accept that if someone paid essence for something, it's part of them and subject to any transformation their body undergoes.
If any players start whining, slap them and then slap them again and then explain to them why you slapped them the first time. If they ask why you slapped them the second time, slap them again for asking stupid questions.
There comes a time when you have to look at a rule and just say "Hmmm wonder where this guy gets his crack"
Just a side note, petify doesn't affect cyberware either. Even is SR3 this was the case.
| QUOTE (Tarantula) |
| Just a side note, petify doesn't affect cyberware either. Even is SR3 this was the case. |
Then it was wrong in SR3, too.
another question . . if i turn someone to goo . . and fill him into a little container . . made out of metal or something like that . . and he turns back . . what do i get ?
A test between the two body + armor, whoever wins doesn't break.
| QUOTE (Tarantula @ Nov 10 2007, 01:55 AM) |
| The same way shape water, shape earth or shape air are not new spells either, because shape [element] is open ended and you can pick any element you want. |
By what basis can 'Goo ' technically be considered an 'Element'?
| QUOTE (Tarantula) |
| Just a side note, petify doesn't affect cyberware either. Even is SR3 this was the case. |
Turn to Goo was around (basically it in its present form) in SR1. Someone grew half a brain at some stage because it was removed from the game for a while. Of course, since they still had only half a brain, Petrify was not given the same treatment.
I have no fucking clue why anyone would think it would be a good idea to reintroduce Turn to Goo and carry over Petrify in their current formats.
Well, because the spell is actually Shape [Material] not element. Examples being: air, earth, water, fire, mud, lava, plasteel, concrete, tar, etc. I think "goo" is consistent enough to be a material for shaping.
Hell, for his uses he could go so far as to say "Flesh Goo".
Chris
Chris
| QUOTE (Tarantula) |
| Well, because the spell is actually Shape [Material] not element. |
Fair enough.
Does the you can't target cyberwear because you paid essence for it still apply if the target is a corpse rather than a living metahuman?
At which point you could just design a spell to extract ware from corpses? (assuming that you'd have to design a spell as shape goo would probably need designing as it would be very rare)
At which point you could just design a spell to extract ware from corpses? (assuming that you'd have to design a spell as shape goo would probably need designing as it would be very rare)
Still, theres a difference between making your own spell formula, and designing a custom spell.
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