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Awwww, I see! Sombody edits his postings to push me over the edge!!!
Auh wait, I´ll getcha all in the end! *mumbelsincoherrentcursestohimselfeandgoesawy
Full Version: [Dragons6thW] Favorite Great Dragon
Awh, which one did I vote for again? Probably Lung, or maybe Lofwyr. But its realy a hard decision as most wonderwormes rock!
Edit: Wait. I´m sure I was not on top of 3rd page in thie thread!
Awwww, I see! Sombody edits his postings to push me over the edge!!!
Auh wait, I´ll getcha all in the end! *mumbelsincoherrentcursestohimselfeandgoesawy
Edit: Wait. I´m sure I was not on top of 3rd page in thie thread!
Awwww, I see! Sombody edits his postings to push me over the edge!!!
Auh wait, I´ll getcha all in the end! *mumbelsincoherrentcursestohimselfeandgoesawy
Although they arent great dragons "Damon" and Elohian are interesting. Elohian since hes now a digital dragon...(A DRAGON IN THE MATRIX?!). What are him and Celedyr up to? Sounds like the basis of a good story and my campaign.
I would kill for a chance to write for shadowrun on what Elohain is up to. If we talk about shear power? Loffy has nukes.
I would kill for a chance to write for shadowrun on what Elohain is up to. If we talk about shear power? Loffy has nukes.
Emerging Futures, Eliohann's company, left Ares and partnered up with Transy-Neuronet, which is also the company that has at least one otaku to study, and some other interesting tech, like the cyberdeck from Imago. I would guess that they have something in the works.
Cyberdeck from Imago?
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Cyberdeck is the Shadowrun precurser to the Commlink.
from is an indication of where something originates.
Imago is an old Shadowrun adventure.
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| Along the line of an Earth Dawn collection, which books would be good for understanding the background between the horrors, what they are, how they breech the metaplanes, as well as other 4th to 6th world crossovers (IEs, GD, you know the "usual stuff". |
Aside from the core book, which has the traditional FASA "how it came to pass", the most useful is the ED dragons book, which is available free online (http://www.dragonpaw.org/~ash/earthdawn/dragons.phtml). The first part is a rundown on draconic physiology and society given in the form of a treatise by the GD Vasdenjas (who doesn't survive in the SR era). This essentially replicates much of the info given in DotSW, but in a bit more detail.
The second is a write-up of the personalities and backgrounds of Barsaive (roughly, modern Ukraine's), GD population. Mountainshodow, who becomes Dunkelzahn, and Icewing, who becomes Ghostwalker, are prominently featured. For an unconfirmed hint as to who Celedyr might be, take a look at the sections on Earthroot and Nightsky, then cross-reference them with Celedyr's write-up in DotSW. The section on Alamais (Lofyr's brother), pretty much lifts the lid on the origin of the immortal elves. Usun is almost certainly Sirrurg, based on appearance, personality, and the fact that his draconic moniker, Vast Green, is used by Harlequin (well, "Big Green", anyhow), in DotSW.
Part Two is written (in-game) by the Great Dragon Denairastas, who is exiled from dragon society for creating a family of dragon-human hybrids who rule the city of Iopos. Denairastas hasn't popped up in SR yet, but I caught something in the Russia chapter of Shadows of Asia that gave me pause. There is a section that deals with an adult blue dragon that is conducting terrorist attacks on the Russian military. Hestably comments that it's a pity that "Wild Child" survived. Harlequin points out that if Wild Child is around, "you-know-who" can't be far away, which Celedyr says is "not a pleasant thought". The GD's in the Earthdawn book are reluctant to name Denairastas, referring to him simply as the Outcast - Harlequin seems to be doing the same Lord Voldemort routine here. And for a GD like Celedyr to be upset by the thought of "you-know-who", he's most likely another GD. So...?
Anyway, [cough] getting back to the question. The "Blood Wood" supplement introduces Alachia (who the Worlds Without End novel states is on the ruling councils of both Tirs), and there's a one-liner about "Caimbeul, the Ambassador from Serethea" - according to Worlds Without End, again, Caimbeul is Harlequin's first name. Aithne Oakforest also appears.
There are two supplements "The Books of Horrors" and "Scourge Unending" which are Horror sourcebooks - "Scourge Unending" is just the later version of the Horrors book.
The Theran Empire book holds the now-infamous map that confirms that ED is in fact the Fourth World of Shadowrun. It mentions the Heavenherds, the Theran wizard caste who rule Azania in the sixth world.
"Barsaive at War" explains the little jab in Dunkelzahn's Will "To Alachia, I leave the ever-living flower. I have no more use for it". And also "to Aithne Oakforest, I leave the Rose Crystal..."
The Earthdawn Companion introduces an organistion called the Lightbringers, which some have speculated that Harlequin and Ehran both belonged to at one point (in the original Harlequin adventure they are both seen to use a power resembling the Lightbringer "astral shift" ability. Harlequin uses it again in the House of the Sun novel).
Personally I've always had Ehran pegged as a Theran, based on his more rigid and doctrinaire approach to magic as well as his speeches on the glory of Atlantis to the YET - but maybe he was a turncoat who joined the Therans later. Harlequin was originally a swordmaster adept from Serethea, the city of Spires (referred to in "Denizens of Barsaive, Vol. 1") - Dunkelzahn calls him the "Last Knight of the Crying Spire", and DoB refers to the "Knights of the Crimson Spire". In the Dragon Heart trilogy, Harlequin confirms that the Crying Spire was originally known as the Crimson spire, and the first Harlequin adventure suggests that Harlequin and Ehran were taught swordplay by the same master. So perhaps they were both swordmasters from Serethea, joined the Lighbringers, and Ehran subsequently sold them out to the Therans.
The references are really scattered all over the place, and a lot are ambiguous - the two lines have been going for years, after all. I wonder sometimes if FASA or WizKids ever did have a secret background worked out that they were releasing in dribs and drabs, or if they were making it up as they went along?
Y'know, I have a book-by-book reference on my site.
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I tried to access that link several times tonight (actually I was trying to see if I was reinventing the wheel pointing out stuff that you'd already posted), but it seems to be down. Hopefully just a temporary glitch
Hmm. Seems to be server issues. Will hopefully be up later.
How about...none?
Am I the only one that has a serious problem with these evil bastards coming in and trying to control everything we do? I don't know what foolish congressman proposed the amendment to the Constitution when the US became the UCAS that made it ok for those not born as citizens to become president but if you think Dunkelzahn was benevolent, you just aren't seeing the beast for what it is. And supposedly, Dunky was a "good" one. What does that make scum-suckers like Lofwyr?
I say (meta)humanity takes a stand against these born-to-be tyrants, fires up the rocket artillery and take these m'fers out one by one.
Am I the only one that has a serious problem with these evil bastards coming in and trying to control everything we do? I don't know what foolish congressman proposed the amendment to the Constitution when the US became the UCAS that made it ok for those not born as citizens to become president but if you think Dunkelzahn was benevolent, you just aren't seeing the beast for what it is. And supposedly, Dunky was a "good" one. What does that make scum-suckers like Lofwyr?
I say (meta)humanity takes a stand against these born-to-be tyrants, fires up the rocket artillery and take these m'fers out one by one.
..I'm with you on that & voted Null (the closest thing to "none" on the board).
Had way to many really cool characters bent over by GDs & turned into the GM's toys.
I totally loathed Survival of the Fittest because first, the PCs were nothing but pawns for the GDs, and second you can't win. You either side With Lofwyr, side with Hestaby, (both of which end up in the PCs retirement) let them kill you, or save them the trouble and put an APDS round in your brain yourself.
Lord knows I had a character try her best to beat this. 500,000
, six months in a GeneTech tank, and faking her death to keep that vindictive bastard Lofwyr from wiping her family and contacts out like he had already done to some of the other PCs' associates.
The moment she left the Tibetan Monastery where she was recovering & retraining, she was identified by one of Lofie's minions (even though everything about her all the way down to her genetic "thumbprint" was changed). A lot of time and work on both the character's and player's part all for nothing.
In my campaigns PCs may hear stories about a few of the GDs but that is about the extent of it.
...excuse me, I have a war in the Balkans to run now..
Had way to many really cool characters bent over by GDs & turned into the GM's toys.
I totally loathed Survival of the Fittest because first, the PCs were nothing but pawns for the GDs, and second you can't win. You either side With Lofwyr, side with Hestaby, (both of which end up in the PCs retirement) let them kill you, or save them the trouble and put an APDS round in your brain yourself.
Lord knows I had a character try her best to beat this. 500,000
, six months in a GeneTech tank, and faking her death to keep that vindictive bastard Lofwyr from wiping her family and contacts out like he had already done to some of the other PCs' associates. The moment she left the Tibetan Monastery where she was recovering & retraining, she was identified by one of Lofie's minions (even though everything about her all the way down to her genetic "thumbprint" was changed). A lot of time and work on both the character's and player's part all for nothing.
In my campaigns PCs may hear stories about a few of the GDs but that is about the extent of it.
...excuse me, I have a war in the Balkans to run now..
None.
Lofwyr. He's evil, he's greedy, and he doesn't care one bit about the natural environment as long as he's fine and will get rich and more powerful. He epitomizes the greedy and brutal mega-corporations perfectly.
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Aside from the core book, which has the traditional FASA "how it came to pass", the most useful is the ED dragons book, which is available free online (http://www.dragonpaw.org/~ash/earthdawn/dragons.phtml). The first part is a rundown on draconic physiology and society given in the form of a treatise by the GD Vasdenjas (who doesn't survive in the SR era). This essentially replicates much of the info given in DotSW, but in a bit more detail. The second is a write-up of the personalities and backgrounds of Barsaive (roughly, modern Ukraine's), GD population. Mountainshodow, who becomes Dunkelzahn, and Icewing, who becomes Ghostwalker, are prominently featured. For an unconfirmed hint as to who Celedyr might be, take a look at the sections on Earthroot and Nightsky, then cross-reference them with Celedyr's write-up in DotSW. The section on Alamais (Lofyr's brother), pretty much lifts the lid on the origin of the immortal elves. Usun is almost certainly Sirrurg, based on appearance, personality, and the fact that his draconic moniker, Vast Green, is used by Harlequin (well, "Big Green", anyhow), in DotSW. Part Two is written (in-game) by the Great Dragon Denairastas, who is exiled from dragon society for creating a family of dragon-human hybrids who rule the city of Iopos. Denairastas hasn't popped up in SR yet, but I caught something in the Russia chapter of Shadows of Asia that gave me pause. There is a section that deals with an adult blue dragon that is conducting terrorist attacks on the Russian military. Hestably comments that it's a pity that "Wild Child" survived. Harlequin points out that if Wild Child is around, "you-know-who" can't be far away, which Celedyr says is "not a pleasant thought". The GD's in the Earthdawn book are reluctant to name Denairastas, referring to him simply as the Outcast - Harlequin seems to be doing the same Lord Voldemort routine here. And for a GD like Celedyr to be upset by the thought of "you-know-who", he's most likely another GD. So...? Anyway, [cough] getting back to the question. The "Blood Wood" supplement introduces Alachia (who the Worlds Without End novel states is on the ruling councils of both Tirs), and there's a one-liner about "Caimbeul, the Ambassador from Serethea" - according to Worlds Without End, again, Caimbeul is Harlequin's first name. Aithne Oakforest also appears. There are two supplements "The Books of Horrors" and "Scourge Unending" which are Horror sourcebooks - "Scourge Unending" is just the later version of the Horrors book. The Theran Empire book holds the now-infamous map that confirms that ED is in fact the Fourth World of Shadowrun. It mentions the Heavenherds, the Theran wizard caste who rule Azania in the sixth world. "Barsaive at War" explains the little jab in Dunkelzahn's Will "To Alachia, I leave the ever-living flower. I have no more use for it". And also "to Aithne Oakforest, I leave the Rose Crystal..." The Earthdawn Companion introduces an organistion called the Lightbringers, which some have speculated that Harlequin and Ehran both belonged to at one point (in the original Harlequin adventure they are both seen to use a power resembling the Lightbringer "astral shift" ability. Harlequin uses it again in the House of the Sun novel). Personally I've always had Ehran pegged as a Theran, based on his more rigid and doctrinaire approach to magic as well as his speeches on the glory of Atlantis to the YET - but maybe he was a turncoat who joined the Therans later. Harlequin was originally a swordmaster adept from Serethea, the city of Spires (referred to in "Denizens of Barsaive, Vol. 1") - Dunkelzahn calls him the "Last Knight of the Crying Spire", and DoB refers to the "Knights of the Crimson Spire". In the Dragon Heart trilogy, Harlequin confirms that the Crying Spire was originally known as the Crimson spire, and the first Harlequin adventure suggests that Harlequin and Ehran were taught swordplay by the same master. So perhaps they were both swordmasters from Serethea, joined the Lighbringers, and Ehran subsequently sold them out to the Therans. The references are really scattered all over the place, and a lot are ambiguous - the two lines have been going for years, after all. I wonder sometimes if FASA or WizKids ever did have a secret background worked out that they were releasing in dribs and drabs, or if they were making it up as they went along? |
This is very interesting and contains some information that i did not find on Ancient Files.
Tell me more about that astral shifting and what is known anbout the Lightbringers. Can some conclusions be drawn for Harlequins or Ehrans SR stats from them being swordmaster adepts in ED?
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| Lofwyr. He's evil, he's greedy, and he doesn't care one bit about the natural environment as long as he's fine and will get rich and more powerful. He epitomizes the greedy and brutal mega-corporations perfectly. |
...smeg...they're all greedy, conniving slots, even Hestaby, which is why I don't like any of them.
I voted GhostWalker. Finally a Dragon that Knows the Fine Points of Diplomacy, and yet still knows how to go house!!!!! 
Though when I say finally, I've had 2nd Ed for a long time with portfolio, Awakenings, London Sourcebook, and 1 other as well as a first ed grimoire. I have a number of third ed books Including Year of The Comet, Dragons in The Sixth World and The Asia Book, but not the BBB. I have 4th Ed BBB, and Street Magic, and personally find that Street Magic Rules!!! I made sure to get that the moment it was in stores lol.
Though when I say finally, I've had 2nd Ed for a long time with portfolio, Awakenings, London Sourcebook, and 1 other as well as a first ed grimoire. I have a number of third ed books Including Year of The Comet, Dragons in The Sixth World and The Asia Book, but not the BBB. I have 4th Ed BBB, and Street Magic, and personally find that Street Magic Rules!!! I made sure to get that the moment it was in stores lol.
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