I'm trying to track down a timeline of conflicts that the UCAS would be involved in.

I have a character whose background is as a Marine Corps Scout-Sniper but I cant seem to find any real timeline of wars or conflicts the UCAS would have been involved in for his service record. Is anyone aware of anything like this?

From what I can find, there's limited information on them online. From what I can determine, The most recent fronts that the UCAS military took part in were the New Revolution (failed) Coup. If your character is old enough, you might be able to say you took part in setting up or maintaining the Chicago Containment Zone. One thing you might want to do is say youhave run shadow campaigns that did not get publicity... Either that or talk to your GM and try to discuss one of the conflicts the UCAS may have had that you partook in. Hell its possible that your character served in a peace time and thats why he joined shadowrunning, to get some excitement after boring military service?

or.... Desert Wars!!!

I would say that possible tours of duty would be:
* Sioux Boarder Guard. Neither the Sioux or the UCAS like each other and as such it is the most heavenly patrolled boarder in North America (with may the exception of the Tir boarder).
* Chicago. Probably your best bet for a sniper as this was the largest conflict the UCAS was involved in since the Great Ghost Dance War (which was technically the Canadian Forces and US Army that participated in that war).
* Seattle. This is the Western jewel of the UCAS and they want to protect their assets (mainly because they need to maintain a western port or lose out on trade with the 7 Dragons).
* Denver. This tour of duty would mainly be for infantry and spies. While Ghostwalker did shake things up a lot when he arrived, it was mainly the CAS that saw action, not the UCAS.
* CAS Boarder Guard. While the UCAS and CAS parted very similar to the Czech Republic and Slovakia, this doesn't mean both side still don't keep an eye on each other. Most of the boarder guard would be specialized police that deal with smuggling between the two countries. I would use the current relationship between Canada and the USA as an analogy to this boarder.


As for your character I would say there is one of two options on your past service:
* You did a tour in Chicago where you perfected your sniper skills
* You were part of the failed coup and that is why your a SR now (had to go SINless or face court martial)

Oh desert war the justification for so many evil evil things lol .

Not likely for a sniper, but also a UCAS Military Operation, the Seattle Renraku Arcology "Incident".

IDK arcologies are big. If not in a sinper roll as a DM.

IDK arcologies are big. If not in a sinper roll as a DM.

Wow, this thread is designed to answer the exact question I had a few months back. Excellent.

So... what solution did you come up with?

On paper, the UCAS military hasn't done much. There's tours in Denver with the ZDF, the Seattle Metroplex Guard, and border guarding on the Sioux and CAS borders. The Sioux border isn't as quiet as the CAS - the CAS is having far too much fun keeping the Azzies occupied.

Fortunately, you're rolling a sniper! Make something up. Maybe you've got a CIA handler who needs some black bag ops done down near Amazonia. Maybe it was some work out in the Canton Confederation. Maybe the Phillipines. You're already a deniable asset, so have some fun with it.

If you're going the Spook Angle, there's also the Rebellion in the Yucatan. I'm sure everyone with a bone to pick with the Azzies (Both the Country and the Corp) was in on that deal.

And, frankly, you're better off listing countries and organizations that aren't pissed off with the Azzies. It'd be much shorter.

The...Ute?

Wait, they don't exist anymore.

Uhh...Aaaaaaasamundo.

Wait, they aren't recognized by the UN.

Guys, this is hard!

Would now be a bad time to mention that the USMC went CAS? and not UCAS

No. Also I'm assuming what's left of Canida marines went to the UCAS. Though TBH Candia wasn't much when it joined and it joined the for the CAS spilt.

http://shadowhelix.de/images/0/08/Animatio...ka_englisch.gif as this shows.

Something must have been set up however Seattle is a Port city and while navaly infenty might curently be loosing favour in this climate they still will always have A role.

You know being an egotistical American i never even considered that he might be talking about the Canadian Marines.

I just assumed he was talking about the USMC at Paris Island.

Not according to the Marines that got Stranded in the CFS--they said they were part of the United States up until the 2050's. Everyone else betrayed their oath.

Not sure what happened to them though--by this point I think most of them died of old age. The youngest one would be in his late 50's.

and I did a quick search.
Canada doesn't seem to have a Marine Corps.

Their light infantry seems to make do.

One of their sniper teams has had the distinction of holding the world record (now 2nd place) for longest kill-shot distance at 2.43 kilometers.

Of any type? I know they have maritime counter-terror in the special forces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Commando_Regiment has some info on a purposed unit in 2006 as well as some info on regiments in the canidan army trainign with the USMC and the Austrailan Navy.

Any way why USMC? Why not just regual army. More need for snipers in a land based force anyway as scouts and such.

I'm not dissing Canada's military

I was more pointing out that UCAS probably doesn't HAVE a Marine Corp. So He should switch his character backgroudn to UCAS Airborne, or he should switch to being from CAS.

CAS has seen /a ton/ of combat and a CAS MC Sniper would have seen combat in Texas, and in the Caribbean League.

While it is true that the II MEF bases (Lejeune, Cherry Point and New River) are all in CAS territory, all the I MEF bases were in California and III MEF is in Japan/Okinawa.

I don't think it's ever been said the Marines all went CAS. Especially since up until Seattle 2072 inexplicably decided to alter the canon, the Ares rep for Seattle, Karen King, was listed as former UCAS Marines. UCAS Marines had also been referred to in other sourcebooks and novels dating all the way back to Silver Angel. So they definitely exist. Though, one would have to decide which bases they would have been moved to after the UCAS pulled them out of Southern California for as the maguffin to explain how Aztlan took over San Diego.

It does say a battalion of Marines stayed at 29 Palms to become the Desert Rats (why, I don't know. No real Marine I know would ever voluntarily stay in that shithole, haha), so I guess you could say elements of 7th Marine Regiment stuck around with whatever assets from 1st Tanks, 3/11 artillery and 3rd LAR got left behind. Interestingly enough it says they have "air power" except no squadrons were stationed at China Lake or 29 Palms unless units were shifted from Yuma when it became NAN or they came from Miramar or Pendleton in the wake of the pullout. 29 Palms does have an airfield.

Seattle would have seemed like an ideal place to put a Marine base, but the only thing I've ever seen listed was the Metroplex Guard.

One thing to remember about Marines is that they are deployed primarily overseas. A Marine could have been anywhere you can conceive UCAS involvement. The current US has the largest navy in the world, and the second largest navy in the world in mothballs, lol. So despite their weakened states, the UCAS and CAS should still have formidable navies and probably still have the desire to power project. Plus, Marines have traditionally been the guards for American embassies around the world. Snipers are employed as counter-snipers in many hostile environments, which could include embassies.

Canada doesn't have a Marine Corps, btw.

But the CAS background info says that when it Seceded, Paris Island and the Marine Corp seceded with them.

I think it's one of those things where the fluffs disagree with each other.

All I can say is that the UCAS marine obv whern't in california what with the lakc of military responce that cause the CFS to form if it had standing troops there it wouldn't have happened that way. Also new bases can be made. So we no know that the UCAS was freaking dumb with the CFS issues or the marine corp is based drasticaly diffrently than today in SR history.

They would've split the bases based on territory, and likely let the Corps soldiers themselves volunteer which direction they wanted to go. Scout Sniper School for USMC is in Quantico, after all.

Quantico Virginia?
IE in the CAS?

You're just bound and determined to prove everyone wrong, aren't you?

Not my Fault you're wrong

I think it's likely that a marine base is with the army base in seattle being a port city not directly conected to the UCAS means you want A to house an diverce force there and B cover the bases you need to. A port city is open to maritime acts of terror or war hurting it hard you want units trained to deal with that there. In fact I might make the met guard a marine unit in my games thinking about it. Training wise they are mostly land troops with added maritime training. Something you want in a port city.

I seem to remember Sprawl Survival Guide, of all books, had parceled out who got what during the split - and UCAS took several things in northern Virginia - CIA, and FBI among them. If they got the FBI, they would've gotten all of Quantico. I'll have to look at the book again and make sure.

Not totally correct. The Marine Corps has Scout Sniper schools at Pendleton, Lejeune, and Hawaii as well.

I used to teach a course next door to SSBC at Quantico, actually.


Only about a third of the Marine Corps is stationed in CAS territory and Lejeune wouldn't have been able to house all the forces from I MEF and III MEF. Marines come from all over the country. So I doubt the entire Marine Corps went CAS, especially given the multitude of UCAS Marine Corps references in the text.. They may have just been referring to the elements stationed in the Carolinas and Virginia.

You have to remember the timeline was written by guys who didn't know nearly enough about the actual workings of the United States. It was just intended to be a baseline and you just had to "fudge" the rest of it.

Okay, it was founded there.



That's why I figure they split the assets based on geography. Units split on a volunteer basis, reform their companies when the logistics are done, and now both countries have a Marine Corps.

It's possible.

having a non-friendly government lesee than a mile from your capitol is just such a terrible idea.
the UCAS Really needed to keep some parts of Northern Virginia (and West Virginia).

From what I know of the USMC, I find the idea that they would as a Corp, Leave the US and join the CAS.. also weird.
I mean, why didn't the Army? Most of their recruitment/training Forts are in the South too.

Fort Benning, Ft Hood.

The Airborne Battalions are based out of South Carolina aren't they?

But you know, it's not the first time the authors have done some weird things.

And Kruger is right of course, the guys who did the North American split didn't really do any research.
They just thought.. wouldn't it be cool if! and then tried to write ahistory to make it happen.

The bases may be there, but the soldiers come from all over. Is a jarhead from Maine going to want to become a CASsie and live in Georgia? Is a Chair Force Hossifer from Vegas gonna want to stay at Andrews?

Well, probably on that second one.

I'd think both governments would want to make sure their volunteer forces are happy and motivated, and giving them the choice to serve with either would be expedient.

This the whole time line of the world is in SR cannon deviates well before the birth of Christ with ruins of civilisations that don't exist in our time line being found in areas. While a good chunk of the world happened similarly to ours major events and wars. Smaller thing could easly be complety diffrent. Also homeland security was formed some time after crash 2.0 it exists in 207- but not in 206-

Again, sorta.

The first formal scout/sniper school was established at Quantico in 1977, but the scout/sniper program was originally started in Vietnam by Major James Land and GySgt Carlos Hathcock, and was taught in both Vietnam and Hawaii. Obviously they weren't the first Marine Corps snipers then either, but that was the beginning of what is now the traditional Marine Corps Scout/Sniper program. The schoolhouse at WTBn in Quantico is actually pretty small. Most of the snipers are trained out of the Division schools now.


The bottom line is the USA was broken up to create a balkanized future for North America. Most of it makes very little sense the more you think about it, and it has only gotten worse with time, lol. Anything that hasn't been explicitly detailed you can probably just make up as you go along and be just as "right" as the guys who wrote the official material.