Ok the group's rigger has did it to me again and decided to be extra sick and sadistic.

He's taking his car back to his workshop and trying to mount retractable spears on the front end. He's also trying to fasten a chainsaw onto a rotodrone or a VTOL just so he can have it ram into people and gut them. Same for the car, he wants it to have a few pig stickers up front so he can 'crash' into problematic pedestrians, or impale other cars to stab the occupants.


Firstly what would the TNs to install stuff like this, and secondly How would I handle damage codes, and speed, and if these weapons break. and Thirdly conceal rating and legality issues.

That's kind of like sticking a bayonet on your sniper rifle. It may look cool but it makes as much sense as a screen door on a submarine!

Also, imagine for a second that he's successful in installing these spears and that he impales some pedestrians. They'd be ATTACHED to the car now and it's hard to make a getaway in something that conspicuous. You could shake the persuers only to pass some random LS squad car, they call in, and BOOM. You're right back where you started.

I think a better analogy is a bayonet on a sledgehammer. If you're going to hit someone with a car, does it really matter that the car is pointy?

That's a very, very good point.

I know; I'm pretty sharp like that.

Something else to note. Chainsaws will go through flesh pretty well, but its a different story when it hits bone. The chain could slip or break from the sudden change. At least that's what I've heard.

Why the front? Why not on the wheel spokes, where you can cause other wheeled vehicles to spin out of control upon a good sideswipe and yet reduce the risk of getting totaled?

Till said spike rips off and impales your car or wheel. broadside mounted firearms are much better suited for this.

So is a pop up microturret with an SMG.

If it can aim low enough. get a high ground clearance and mount it underneath.

Meh. I'd rather not mount turrents underneath...limits them a lot. It's more worth it to get something like This.

Balls to that. If you're going to do it, do it right.

I've also wondered about what the effect of spears and battering rams would be. One of my riggers has converted a Garbage truck into his combat wagon. All the goodies, etc. But one of the things he did was had the front-loader tines sharpened and dikoted. He also put motors on them so he can rotate them from horizontal to vertical.

Unfortunetly, I've never had a chance to use him yet, but he looks great on the pages and pages of paper.

Stabbing into a car with them makes it as easy to lift as a dumpster is, which has some fun effects, but what kind of damage would these things really do? At creeping speeds, like a garbage truck normally does, and at ramming speeds.

I don't think normal ramming rules really apply to using something specifically made like this. They're more for cars that happen to be ramming, which would be much more common.

Well, from the way I understand what happens when a bus hits a car, if a dump truck hit a car it really wouldn't take enough damage to scrape the paint. And I don't think the spikes themselves would do significant damage (though hitting the thing would obviously make a mark), but picking the car up after impalement... well now that would just be funny.

JaronK

The torque from starting a chainsaw is likely to flip over a flying drone. Imagine his first test when it goes out of control nearby.

...Oh. Don't mind me. It's 11:16 here and I am BUSHED!

P.S.: Political reference not intended.

If the spear retract, it'd be pretty easy to get pedestrians off. Although, if you wanted to kill pedestrians, you could just slam into them going 60.

What kind of sick bastard would even think of something as insane as a chainsaw mounted on an aerial drone for the specific purpose of flying up to people and gutting them?!? Am I the only one here who thinks this is messed up beyond repair?

Why? Is it any worse then just walking up to someone and chainsawing them? Sometimes you have to do what you have to do and sometimes a chainsaw is all that is at hand. It is no worse then a dikoted katana or a bat.

It just seems that this player is going out of his way to provide some people with a very painful and macabre death, cruel in ways that are just uncalled for. For chirsts sake, just put a gun on a car or a drone and use that. It'd be much more efficient, and much quicker. Why on earth would anybody want to turn his car into a meatwagon other than for cheap shock and gore effects? There's nothing even remotely practical or reasonable behind it, unless he's looking to turn the next game session into a splatterfest. It's just sick, and not very original.

Impractical, inefficient, sick, sadistic. Definitely not in the same ballpark as "Sometimes you have to do what you have to do and sometimes a chainsaw is all that is at hand", since there's actually a lot of better options at hand. Guns. Vehicle mounted. With sensor enhanced gunnery.

Spikes and chainsaws are in a lot of fiction, some of it in SR. Guns, turrets and sensors cost lots of money. People in the barrens don't have a lot of it. True they probably won't have drones either, but cars with spikes and other implaments will be availible.

Takeing the time to mount a chainsaw to a flying drone does seem exsecive but defently no more grotesque then walking around hacking people up with a chainsaw. So which is more disturbing, flying chainsaws or walking chainsaws?

Instead of mounting The chainsaw just give the Drone Mechanical Arms and hand it a chainsaw. Then you can swap out the chainsaw for a rifle, flamethrower, or whatever later.

Well, it's ultimately just a question of taste whether you'd tolerate this kind of thing in your game or not. I wouldn't, but you would, and neither of us would be "wrong". I guess there's nothing wrong with having a different opinion on this topic. No harm done, really.

However, that with the uncle and cousin really is a sick story.

There is only one subject I don't tolerate and that is screwing with kids, I mean in the NAMBLA sense. Now in certain scenerios kids have been shot or caught in a deadly situation. I just draw the line at really depraved shit involving kids. Now I never got mad enough where I would throw one of my friends out of the house, I usually can drive the game away from that pretty quick. The situation has never really come up with the players involved, I think the people I play with have the same line I do and don't cross it. We have had two runs where our characters have busted such situations. Like Mob run freak shows and both times it was just something we stumbled on in the course of leg work. The GM wanted us to go on a "wet works" job. None of us are "professional" hit men, so we declined. The GM spent a lot of time on the run, so he needed something to make us hate the mark enough to take the job. Another was a Tamanous fetus farm, the sick f*ck running the show decided start them young and get as many years out of them as possible. I enjoyed wasteing those people a lot. One even involved crude instruments of torture.

Other then that I really don't mind the other sick and depraved stuff, the world of SR to us is pretty dark and disgusteing and it takes a lot to make us sick. One of the guys we use to play with collects "snuff" films, that is some sick shit.

But like you said everyone has their own line they will not cross. All my characters have certain lines they won't cross.

Unless going for some kind of concept, it'd probably work a lot better to mount a big curved blade on the drone. Chainsaws are painfully loud (which might not be an issue, but something to remember) and it would need a power supply. I've never been around an electric, so I can't comment on the difference.

Someone already mentioned the chainsaw making the drone unstable, but if they can fire machine guns, they can probably handle a chainsaw engine. Although, once the chainsaw comes in contact with something it could lose some stability.

There's also the obvious issue of mess. The chainsaw would need to be built so none of the chunks and fluid that gets sprayed around interferes with its operation.

When using the drone to cut people, it'll be more vulnerable. The armor will help a lot, but I imagine it'll get hit a lot too.

I don't see how this is any more messed up than summoning an entity from another plane to destroy a person's mind and take their body. Setting someone on fire isn't very friendly either, but no one seems to take special notice when fireball is cast.