I'm reminded of my usage of one of the original poster's words to describe the floofy elves...

Actually one of my Elf characters is Bi

QED.

Quite the opposite, really - Usually when I see a game with a large elf population, as it's oft to happen, experience tells me that these are probably a port from our D&D Hackn'slash generation. More than likely we'll have a lot of "Original" concepts, and I should expect that Corporate Intrigue, Organ Legging RipperDocs, and the bitter edge of a firsthand taste of concrete will be replaced with lots of rolling.

Though, that last bit is hit or miss. I don't know too many D&D players that can handle rolling more than a couple of dice at a time.

*Duck*

No, really. Mostly kidding. Everyone that steps into the game brings a new facet, and new angle, and I'm glad that all of your support our industry, regardless of where you stand in your current RPG walk of life. And while I rip on elves from time to time, I understand that there is a time and a place for them. I've even been -impressed- by the occaisional, as much as my fellow gamers would be aghast to hear.

Much of it boils down to style.

-RM

*Third edit to finally get the post straight. Hard typing one handed with all this elf p120n lying around.

That's really funny to me when I read it, because back when I was in 4th grade I was a total D&D elf nutrider. Basically, I was into how they were better than humans in every possible way.

As I got older I realized that that type of ridiculous unbalanced sense of superiority was lame, and I usually ended up playing humans. However, I think that dwarves are cool because of how they are sterotypically short, violent, and hate sunlight. I mean, that's just hilarious.

Myself, I often make martial arts adept characters, but that might just be because I spend all my time hanging out at bullshido.net. Often times my physads are carictatures of fraudulent martial artists, such as Ashida Kim. (www.ashidakim.com)

Never been an elf nutrider, but I can't say I haven't seen more than my fair share. It's a fairly grueling and messy process, let me assure you.

None the less, I applaud you dwarven efforts. You can never have too many dwarves; Willow, The Wizard of Oz, and Willy Wonka taught me that.

...Uh...

...Those -were- dwarves, right?

R^(M*2)

dwarves, in willow no they were ........ erm cant remember but they weren't dwarves.

in wonka they were umpalumpas ( think its spelt that way)

Oz ???? where were the dwarves in that?

but the thought was right Dwarves, orks and trolls are for winners!


torz x

Oh hell no, over my dead body, over your dead body.

In Willow they were Halflings.

In Willy Wonka and Wiz 'o' Oz they were Fey kin, Brownies and such.

Time Bandits, yeah, those were probably Dwarves.

time bandits the best thing to come form monty pyithon ish eira!
and along those lines lets not forget Baron Munchousen!

torz x

... but especially men. I can see that.

None of this really hits any of the points I was making. I wasn't saying that elves don't get racism, I was saying that canon makes them actually better than the other metatypes. People on these threads always tend to leap straight to "blame your GM and players," and never consider that maybe canon IS to blame, because other (playable) races don't get long lifespans, don't get to be immortal uber-magicians, and don't get their own powerful nations (I don't put the Ork Underground in the same league as the Tirs). My beef is that way more attention seems to get focused on elves than on the other metatypes. There aren't any location sourcebooks about Ork, Troll, or Dwarf nations, but the elves get two. I haven't really had that big a problem with elves in my games (which pains me to say, because I DO have an irrational hatred of elves dating back to my D&D days, like someone described above); I'd just like to see the focus of the game be more equally applied and have canon stop telling us that elves ARE superior, and racism against them should stem from that. I was happy when 3rd edition made elves take a higher priority assignment than dwarves and trolls, but I think the better solution would have been to give them drawbacks to balance out all the advantages they get (and here I don't count racism as a drawback, because it applies to all the metahumans, and is probably a lot MORE of a drawback to the non-elf metatypes).

Nono, that one was a Prussian. A *small* Prussian, but a human prussian nonetheless.

On a slightly related note, there are human tribes (Kimil in Papua New Guinea) who are dwarf-sized (as in, 1.30 to 1.40 meters) naturally. also, there once was Homo foresiensis, whcih was gnome-sized. And the Gigantopithecus could well have been troll-sized and -shaped ... hehe.

Oh, women can be really fucked up too ... and meat puppets aren't nescessarly only used for sex, but also for all kinds of revenge and domination/humiliation fantasies ... poor little girl, remind my character to send her character a box of chocolates or something.

No kidding.

Anyway, I may as well add my own two cents since otherwise my presence is completely OT. I think this topic is ridiculous. It serves no purpose other than fueling a mind-numbingly boring and juvenile contest of people yelling, "elves sucks!," "Do not!" for the last 70-odd posts.

Elves are a race. They can be played however you like, or not at all. It's you game, and frankly I don't care what your person opinion of elves are because it doesn't do me any good to know that some dude out on the Internet has a mad hate-on for them. Good for you.

*sigh* You guys don't know your hobbits.

In Willow they were Nelwyns. In Wizard of Oz they were munchkins and in Willy Wonka they were oompla-loompas.

Of course, I suppose it feeds back into the simply fact that no great fantasy story is complete without someone who's 3 feet tall and has hairy feet.

We appreciate the two bits! And crimson is a very becoming color.

-RM

Feh! Peck! Peckpeckpeckpeck!

And since I really don't care about dragging this thread off topic, I just rented the Willow dvd recently. Is it just me, or does that movie take place on the smallest world ever? There didn't seem to be any place in the movie that was more than a day's ride away from anywhere else.

It's unavoidable. It just has to run its course.

Unfortunately.

It's a small world after all...

I wonder if Virtual Disney has a Small World ride and if they updated it to include metahuman races...

Nitpick: Trolls have the same Priority (and Build Point cost) as Elves in SR3.

Um, did Snow White even have evil step-sisters? Might you be thinking of Cinderella?

Elves costing more than dwarves is bullcrap, in my opinion.

In mine as well. All the metahuman races should have the same cost.

And I think Elves should cost more than they do.

They're the only race to get only advantages. And one out of every three PCs I've seen has been an elf.

I thought Trolls also get an overall +4 to their attributes as well?

On the other hand, crotch shots with a hand cannon are much easier for dwarves.

Elves are more likely to be better conjurers and astral combatants with the Charisma bonus. Dwarves make better sorcerers in general and have greater spell pool with their Willpower bonus.

Hey, nezumi, you beat me to it... I read the whole thread in one sitting and was ASTOUNDED!

I can't believe, of all the hobby groups in the world that a bunch of Roleplayers wouldn't know that the short people in Oz were called MUNCHKINS!

Not that they were number-crunching uber-gun-bunnies, but there you go...

And on-topic, if all Elves were gay, there would very soon be great land potential just outside of Seattle...

On the gender preference subject, I've encountered (and played) a number of non-heterosexual characters, but the one that hasn't appeared is the fabled lesbian elf... must be the group of players (one gay, one bi-male, three hetero males). We've had gay humans a plenty, a Bull-Dyke Ork (as torz so eloquently put it) and a great comedy bisexual troll who was constantly angry because the humans kept calling him "Daisy."

Funny world. There are more arguements and sniggers in my group when someone says "My character is American" than if they say anything about sexuality. As for race, well, it's never come into question. I'm proud enough of my players to say that they're well-versed enough in the theme and genre to make a character, not use a stereotype.