Overwatch
Mar 24 2005, 09:37 PM
It seems to me that one of the big points of contention with SR4 is the fate of our beloved "deckers". I've been a cyberpunk fan since I first picked up Neuromancer back in 84. BUT I am completely hooked on the concept of augmented reality. I've even written some cyberpunk short fiction where AR is a central theme.
It occurs to me we ned a compromise. A term to keep Deckers as the elite intrusions specialists that they are, while doing away with references to the old cyberdecks of yesteryear. And without reference to the controversial and atavistic term "hacker". (thats a can of worm i'll bet the design team didn't know they were opening.) so I suggest...
AUGERS
It alludes to Seers, as well as System penetration. And it encapsulates Augmented Reality as well.
Thoughts?
(edited)
Toa
Mar 24 2005, 09:38 PM
Yeah. You should have put that bold tag the other way around.
Dark Scrier
Mar 25 2005, 12:29 AM
If you ask me, I prefer the name Scrier.
But then, if it becomes Scrier, then I'll be looked upon as some noob who ripped his name straight from the book.
SuperSpy
Mar 25 2005, 12:49 AM
Also keep in-mind that hackers are supposedly the marriage between Deckers and Riggers (according to rumors, anyway).
So, in that spirit, how about Diggers or Reckers?
Or, if datajacks continue to be in use, how about Jackers?
Dark Scrier
Mar 25 2005, 01:23 AM
Don't see why they would still use Datajacks.
Though I would like to see the Cyberdeck stay in usage, but it's more logical to have a wireless connection implant and proggies stored on that. Though a wireless connection from one's cyberdeck would be cool.
mfb
Mar 25 2005, 01:20 AM
i don't see why they wouldn't still use datajacks. datajacks offer a cleaner, deeper, faster connection than trodes. trodes are dialup; datajacks are broadband.
Dark Scrier
Mar 25 2005, 01:32 AM
Because the thing is wireless? They don't need a direct plug into their heads anymore.
mfb
Mar 25 2005, 01:34 AM
just because everything uses wireless technology doesn't mean that everyone will have that technology installed as cyberware. i'm picturing a palm-sized wireless uplink unit that you plug into your datajack, and carry around in a pocket. or, hell, maybe a wireless plug that fits into your datajack.
Kanada Ten
Mar 25 2005, 01:28 AM
I'm talking datamobiles, or celljacks, or mobilejacks, or datennas, or something. They will likely keep datajack though and just call them wireless datajacks like induction datajacks. <sigh>
Godmods, gridhacks, slicers, scanners, mentats, deviants, raiders, glitches
Dark Scrier
Mar 25 2005, 02:01 AM
Freelance Admins?
Dark Scrier
Mar 25 2005, 02:05 AM
Yeah, but we can use wireless technology for that now, in fact, that's already how pocsecs and such work.
If it didn't work such that the decker was broadcasting from within their head, there might as well be minimal difference.
Kanada Ten
Mar 25 2005, 02:01 AM
QUOTE (Dark Scrier @ Mar 24 2005, 09:05 PM) |
If it didn't work such that the decker was broadcasting from within their head, there might as well be minimal difference. |
You mean other than full bandwidth simsense?
I mean, one can broadcast from the head now using a cyberphone to dial-up their MSP and display web pages on an image display.
There really must be some kind of simsense-reality integration kit as the big tech advance to match the wireless simsense.
Dark Scrier
Mar 25 2005, 02:24 AM
I'd be expecting that if the matrix was going wireless, that there'd be some simsense advances to support the ability to transmit directly from internal headware.
Kanada Ten
Mar 25 2005, 02:39 AM
I'm sure, but that doesn't mean most people will get them. Even if I could have a wirless datajack, I'd still route my 'trix connection through my pocket computer. It's easier to keep that SotA than an implanted one.
Dark Scrier
Mar 25 2005, 03:57 AM
True, but if matrix abuse was my trade, I'd be rushing out to pick one up.
Kagetenshi
Mar 25 2005, 04:06 AM
I wouldn't. What's the point? Wires give you security and reliability.
~J
NeoJudas
Mar 25 2005, 05:00 AM
Personally, I'd want to avoid the usage of the term "Hacker" if at all. Too much spammail generation from it.

"Jackers" brings out the evil perv in me. I just think each group is gonna have their own term. Sounds kinda like a "matrix gang" thing to me anyway. Just look at the list of terms everyone here is coming up with and then think of all the other terms we've all seen/heard/used in our own games.
Why not just stick with "Users" for the games books. It reflects the attitudes of the people who "live in the 'trix" or "surf the 'net" (dare it to not be called addictive) and still reflects on what the people who "use the technology" really are. It's something we all are, how good our individual reps are is ultimately what might determine the actual "title" we come up with.
mfb
Mar 25 2005, 06:29 AM
wires also keep you locked in one place. they also keep you from doing all the cool wireless stuff.
Fortune
Mar 25 2005, 06:24 AM
QUOTE (mfb) |
wires also keep you locked in one place. they also keep you from doing all the cool wireless stuff. |
I think he's refering to a wired connection between himself (datajack) and his wireless computer/pocket secretary/electronic thingie.
Dark Scrier
Mar 25 2005, 06:56 AM
So where's the difference between that and beaming it into your headware? Other than connection, there really isn't a difference.
Kagetenshi
Mar 25 2005, 07:32 AM
QUOTE (Dark Scrier) |
So where's the difference between that and beaming it into your headware? Other than connection, there really isn't a difference. |
If there's jamming going on and I've got a wired connection to a wireless computer, I can still access my computer. If I go all-wireless, that computer's so much dead weight.
~J
Dark Scrier
Mar 25 2005, 07:53 AM
Ahh. Hadn't taken signal jamming of the matrix into account in this brave new world of wireless.
Kagetenshi
Mar 25 2005, 07:55 AM
Remember, barrage jamming is just letting everyone know how much you love them.
~J
Dark Scrier
Mar 25 2005, 12:07 PM
It's a brave new world of DDoS.
mfb
Mar 25 2005, 02:09 PM
ahh, okay. i'm with kage, then--wired connection to wireless devices is the only christian way to access the Matrix.
Nikoli
Mar 25 2005, 02:20 PM
Wow, the anti-computer folks will have a whole new ally in their insane struggle. The rating 6 signal jammer.
mfb
Mar 25 2005, 02:23 PM
heh. after their shenanigans in 2065, i'm not sure how effective they'll be, anymore. they'll have cost a lot of people a lot of money--but not enough people enough money that there won't be plenty of corps left that will be more than happy to hunt the computer-blower-uppers down like dogs at every opportunity.
Dark Scrier
Mar 25 2005, 03:14 PM
Yeah, but if you jam someone's signal, all you're doing is denying them a connection, you aren't breaking their wetware.
mfb
Mar 25 2005, 03:30 PM
right, but a) jamming is painfully easy to triangulate, and b) anybody disrupting Matrix connectivity on nearly any scale is going to draw a lot of attention, especially after the massive disruption in 2065.
Nikoli
Mar 25 2005, 03:36 PM
true, so you set them up on random timers across a city block. it'll take a long time to find them if you do it right.
mfb
Mar 25 2005, 03:45 PM
i dunno. given the number of wireless devices running around, you should be able to pinpoint the jammer's location by just tacking failed connections on a map. you could put it in a vehicle, i suppose, but i'd imagine traffic cameras in 2070 have internal storage--once you pinpoint the jammer location to the carpool lane on 5th ave, you'd just have to find a traffic camera that was watching that sector and determine which vehicle was doing the jamming.
besides, Winternight--if that's who the terrorists were--doesn't seem interested in minor inconveniences. they basically did nothing to hamper the Matrix from the time they were introduced until 2065--and when they finally did act, it was a massive blow probably intended to end the Matrix completely.
Kagetenshi
Mar 25 2005, 04:55 PM
I do hope it wasn't Winternight. Doomsday cults have a natural limit on the number of intelligent people they can have working for them, usually rather small.
~J
mfb
Mar 25 2005, 05:11 PM
Winternight is different. it could be just one guy, for all we know--one guy controlling lots of other guys through the magic of BTL brainwashing. it doesn't need lots of smart people who are true believers; it just needs a few smart people who are adept with mind-influencing technology, who can then controll smart non-believers.
Tarantula
Mar 25 2005, 05:26 PM
If you set out an array of smaller jammers, such that their area of jammed coverage would look the same as one large jammer, except triangulating would lead to nothing in the middle. That'd work.
mfb
Mar 25 2005, 05:29 PM
that'd be... difficult. jammers work in a spherical radius. you'd have to put out enough jammers, equally spaced, that the edges of the spheres intersect closely enough to look like a single sphere. moreover, you'd have to space them vertically as well as horizontally, which would be difficult at best. moremoreover, all you'd have to do would be to monitor two recievers in the area, monitor their inputs for triangulation, and then use that to locate each jammer. slightly slower, but still relatively easy.
Nikoli
Mar 25 2005, 05:42 PM
well, I wasn't talking of using them permanently, just for demonstrations, diversions, etc.
mfb
Mar 25 2005, 05:58 PM
true.
Nikoli
Mar 25 2005, 06:14 PM
Best use I ever had for a jammer was a compound that had auto-targeting guns and the guards wore Safetarget badges.
RunnerPaul
Mar 26 2005, 04:12 AM
QUOTE (Kagetenshi) |
Remember, barrage jamming is just letting everyone know how much you love them. |
I knew there was a reason I started
this thread last week.
Kagetenshi
Mar 26 2005, 04:23 AM
I did not see that

~J
Kai
Mar 28 2005, 08:40 PM
Winternight? Dude that would so make my day, you have no idea...s'cuze me while I sit here and giggle...
NeoJudas
Mar 29 2005, 05:48 AM
QUOTE (mfb) |
right, but a) jamming is painfully easy to triangulate, and b) anybody disrupting Matrix connectivity on nearly any scale is going to draw a lot of attention, especially after the massive disruption in 2065. |
*THIS* is the ruleset that I feel needs changed the most. All the rules on signal integrity/triangulation/interceptance/jamming are so messed up and take so long that in the world of Shadowrun... the action is completely over before anyone even gets the chance to notice.
If the Matrix goes Wireless, then jamming is almost certainly a thing of the future to come. Unless of course we go Maser in the sidewalks/streets and the decker wears their clothing that is part of the interface (check that out and just start laughing).
Siege
Mar 29 2005, 06:02 AM
QUOTE (Overwatch) |
AUGERS It alludes to Seers, as well as System penetration. And it encapsulates Augmented Reality as well. Thoughts?
(edited) |
Eh- boring.

-Siege
mfb
Mar 29 2005, 06:05 AM
actually, wireless-enabled clothing is a really cool idea. "not only is my shirt Armani, it adds 50Mp/s to my uplink speed!"
Siege
Mar 29 2005, 06:15 AM
Augers...boring...there's a pun in there somewhere.

-Siege
Kai
Mar 29 2005, 03:46 PM
wireless clothing...great now the idea of a long tail ski cap emblazoned with flames as someone's firewall is stuck in my head...
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