moosegod
Feb 16 2004, 09:27 PM
I need a fairly large cult for some stuff I'm thinking of, and the CotD doesn't fill my needs.
How do you think Sciencetology™(SM) would change? Would it even survive? It would probably get a boost from the Insect Spirit angle. (Look, they did not purify themselves enough!)
EDIT: Avoiding suage.
Ancient History
Feb 16 2004, 09:31 PM
From the look of things, Scientology would get corporate backing. :spin:
moosegod
Feb 16 2004, 09:36 PM
Maybe I should just run it as a small corporation.
Now, if they were battling for a AA rating...
No, too silly.
Ancient History
Feb 16 2004, 09:37 PM
Dr. WHo fans qualify as a cult in and of themselves.
sable twilight
Feb 16 2004, 09:48 PM
Church of the SubGenius
Czar Eggbert
Feb 16 2004, 10:19 PM
I wonder what the SCA is like in 2064. Also look at Christian Science. If you are looking for a more sinister cult look at the Church of Set and Golden Dawn. Hell even the Macons and Knights of Columbus would qualify.
-The Eggman
Ancient History
Feb 16 2004, 10:22 PM
the Amish. Think about that gender-swapping X-FIles episode.
Fresno Bob
Feb 16 2004, 10:46 PM
What is Scientology, anyway? Worship of science?
John Campbell
Feb 16 2004, 11:20 PM
QUOTE (Czar Eggbert) |
I wonder what the SCA is like in 2064. |
It's something I've wondered about myself, but is there any particular reason you bring it up in a discussion of cults?
QUOTE (Voorhees) |
What is Scientology, anyway? Worship of science? |
It's a fairly disturbing cult founded by L. Ron Hubbard. Their modus operandi consists of getting suckers to pay money for installments of brainwashing, and they use lawyer hit squads, harassment, and smear tactics to stifle people who say bad things about them. The closest it comes to actual science is that the founder was a really bad science fiction author (and it shows).
This is a fairly good and more detailed description.
Zazen
Feb 16 2004, 11:38 PM
Are those the same loons who are into pyramid power and orgone and all that?
sable twilight
Feb 16 2004, 11:43 PM
QUOTE (Voorhees) |
What is Scientology, anyway? Worship of science? |
Actually, we could tell you, but then our board would get invaded, crash, and we'd be sued for liable and slander.
Hearsay has it that L. Ron Hubbard came up with it on a bet or a challenge. He, Robert Heinlein, and a third science fiction writer who I am not sure of (Asimov I think) were offer a challenge to see who could come up with a belief system that could influence a certain number of people. Hubbard came up with Scientology and Heinlein came up with the Church of All Worlds (from "Stranger in a Strange Land", do you grok?). Dianetics, from which Scientology stems from, is supposedly based off some ancient Greek philosophies.
moosegod
Feb 16 2004, 11:51 PM
Another good
site.
It's really just a rather spooky overgrown cult from a hack sci-fi writer.
But I really would like some discussion about how you think it might change. I have a group to screw over, ya know.
sable twilight
Feb 16 2004, 11:59 PM
I think they would stay pretty much the same. Their tactics are pretty solid. They would some Matrix presence, they would likely still have a few celebrity spokes persons who will say that Scientology changed their lives and turned their careers around (not unlike John Travolta). One advantage they would likely find a way to exploit would be extraterritorial for their worship centers.
Universal Brotherhood, and the advertisements they put out, reminded me a lot of the Church of Scientology.
moosegod
Feb 17 2004, 12:00 AM
Ohh, nasty brain-flash.
Sciencetology™(SM) was competing with the UB right...
Dammit, my players read this board.
EDIT: Avoiding Suage
Crimsondude 2.0
Feb 17 2004, 12:02 AM
How dare you besmirch the name of the religion of such luminaries as Tom Cruise and John Travolta! You just haven't reach OT 7 yet, heathens....
Seriously, I give it even odds that DS gets a c&d by the end of the week.
moosegod
Feb 17 2004, 12:09 AM
The question is, would that be good or bad for shadowrun?
"The Church of Sciencetology™(SM)q has declared that the Dumpshock Forums, a site indirectly affiliated with the Shadowrun roleplaying game is (insert legalese)"
How many people do you think would buy Shadowrun just to piss them off?
k1tsune
Feb 17 2004, 12:50 AM
Yes! Make Scientology evil!
Meanwhile, I would definitely join the Church of All Worlds, if it actually existed.
moosegod
Feb 17 2004, 12:54 AM
Oh, I don't have to make Sciencetology™(SM) evil. They got that angle covered.
mfb
Feb 17 2004, 01:12 AM
indeed. after making scientology evil, your next project will to make the sun hot, and the skies blue!
moosegod
Feb 17 2004, 01:22 AM
Actually, in 2063 Seattle, I have trouble with Blue Skies.
mfb
Feb 17 2004, 01:23 AM
i formally withdraw that particular task.
k1tsune
Feb 17 2004, 01:25 AM
Stop picking on me. *Sobs*
moosegod
Feb 17 2004, 01:39 AM
Don't worry, k1tsune. We love you and your stupid 1 for an i
k1tsune
Feb 17 2004, 01:45 AM
QUOTE (moosegod) |
Don't worry, k1tsune. We love you and your stupid 1 for an i
|
No no. That's Snoog. He might be my best friend, but...
Oh wait. We're talking about Ariel, not Kitsune.
She probably does have Int. 1.
sable twilight
Feb 17 2004, 01:49 AM
QUOTE (moosegod) |
The question is, would that be good or bad for shadowrun?
"The Church of Sciencetology™(SM)q has declared that the Dumpshock Forums, a site indirectly affiliated with the Shadowrun roleplaying game is (insert legalese)"
How many people do you think would buy Shadowrun just to piss them off? |
Well, as the saying goes, any press is good press.
QUOTE (k1tsune) |
Yes! Make Scientology evil!
Meanwhile, I would definitely join the Church of All Worlds, if it actually existed. |
k1tsune
Feb 17 2004, 01:54 AM
I grok!
sable twilight
Feb 17 2004, 02:15 AM
May you never thirst.
Hecatonchires
Feb 17 2004, 02:19 AM
I grok goodness. Fullness comes in time. Thou art God.
k1tsune
Feb 17 2004, 02:20 AM
*sigh* I am an egg.
moosegod
Feb 17 2004, 02:31 AM
Dammit.
k1tsune
Feb 17 2004, 02:37 AM
Man, threads are getting hijacked more than usual lately.
moosegod
Feb 17 2004, 02:43 AM
I blame it on Siege.
Siege
Feb 17 2004, 02:47 AM
QUOTE (k1tsune) |
Man, threads are getting hijacked more than usual lately. |
That's just plane wrong!
-Siege
k1tsune
Feb 17 2004, 02:52 AM
What, you think he said that in air?
Siege
Feb 17 2004, 02:57 AM
QUOTE (k1tsune) |
What, you think he said that in air? |
In air or?
-Siege
k1tsune
Feb 17 2004, 03:00 AM
I was thinking "err"
Siege
Feb 17 2004, 03:02 AM
Say it out loud -- "air or" sounds suspiciously like "error"

-Siege
Dakhran the Dark
Feb 17 2004, 03:07 AM
The church of Scientology became something we all know and love already in Shadowrun...
Picture if you will, a blue covered book. In the background is that Dianetics-looking volcano on a billboard, with a good-looking poster chick urging you to join...
And in the foreground, lurking in an alley, a BEE SPIRIT!!!
Yes, indeed, your friendly neighborhood Universal Brotherhood!
moosegod
Feb 17 2004, 03:08 AM
QUOTE (moosegod) |
I blame it on Siege. |
Yep. Siege's fault.
I have figured out that the UB was kinda the Sciencetologists.
But I have a...

plan... And cannot currently elaborate upon it.
Crimsondude 2.0
Feb 17 2004, 04:13 AM
QUOTE (k1tsune) |
Man, threads are getting hijacked more than usual lately. |
I blame the loss of the Lounge and boredom.
QUOTE (Dakhran the Dark) |
The church of Scientology became something we all know and love already in Shadowrun...
Picture if you will, a blue covered book. In the background is that Dianetics-looking volcano on a billboard, with a good-looking poster chick urging you to join... |
Wasn't that actually an image in one of the books? And IIRC, it was an ad for UB.
mfb
Feb 17 2004, 04:33 AM
it was on the cover of Missing Blood.
Scarecrow237
Feb 17 2004, 01:26 PM
QUOTE (sable twilight) |
Church of the SubGenius |
In all seriousness, and as a fully ordained minister in the Church of the SubGenius, I very much doubt that this end times cult will survive the deaths of its founders. It won't still be around in 2060's. Unless of course X-day actually happens and the SubGenii all get whisked of this "Bob"forsaken ball of mud by the Xists. If that is the case, the only followers will be the pinks dissapointed that they left behind.
That said, you can still join in the here and now
The Church of the SubGenius
sable twilight
Feb 17 2004, 03:19 PM
It was actually intended as a piece of absurd humor. I just sort of got a laugh picturing it, but now you've gotten me thinking how the Church of the SubGenius could become an evil cult in the 2060s
At some point in the early 21st century, the Pinks (or their handlers, I'm not quite up on my Church doctrine) will have discovered the Church and realized what a wonderful marketing opportunity it represents. If asked about X-Day and why it never came about, the new doctrine from the Church will be that the Xists have come to realize that all humanity equally deserving of their benevolence, so X-Day was postponed until such a day that all of mankind can share in the Xist bounty, or something equally as Pinkish. Eventually the Church will have been sucked dry of its slack and cast a side, and the Pinks will have moved onto other things, such as NERPS. But it still exists, the dupes suckered into the cult still carrying on, and a special physical adept initiatory group in the Church, calling itself the Stark Fist of Removal, hunts down any of those who betray the Church's secrets.
Bearclaw
Feb 17 2004, 04:53 PM
Hey guys, just a little actual info to counter the rumors.
1. Hubbard, IMHO was a decent author. I really liked Battlefield: Earth (not the movie, but the book). His best new sci-fi anthologies helped get several other authors careers off the ground as well.
2. Hubbard knew more about psychology than just about any one on earth. As Carl Jung was Freud's protagee, Hubbard was Jungs. He studied under Jung for 10 years. He makes fun of Frued a lot in his VERY long and over done last series. I can't remember the name now.
3. No, I don't follow the silly religion. And yes, they employ large packs of rabid lawyers to attack anyone who in any way "threatens" then.
4. I thought the whole UB thing was about them.
Austere Emancipator
Feb 17 2004, 05:01 PM
QUOTE (Bearclaw) |
Hubbard knew more about psychology than just about any one on earth. |
Well, they do say genius and insanity often go hand in hand. And LRH certainly was a fucking nutcase.
QUOTE (John Campbell) |
This is a fairly good and more detailed description. |
Good to see someone else has also found the wonderful Rotten Library. That place rocks!
Bearclaw
Feb 17 2004, 05:02 PM
QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) |
QUOTE (Bearclaw) | Hubbard knew more about psychology than just about any one on earth. |
Well, they do say genius and insanity often go hand in hand. And LRH certainly was a fucking nutcase.
|
Really. I think the rumor about it all being a joke is true. Eccentric maybe, but not crazy. Hell, it may be the biggest, funniest joke ever
RangerJoe
Feb 17 2004, 05:13 PM
Hey now, I'm AHS-4, and I don't think it's all a joke. I'm *optimized*!
That, and I carry enough plasma grenades to make you think twice about making fun of my hokey religion.
Ah, the Hub.
BitBasher
Feb 17 2004, 05:13 PM
For more insight to old Elron and Scientology see:
Xenu.net
Austere Emancipator
Feb 17 2004, 05:29 PM
QUOTE (BitBasher @ Feb 17 2004, 07:13 PM) |
For more insight to old Elron and Scientology see:
Xenu.net |
QUOTE (moosegod @ Feb 17 2004, 01:51 AM) |
Another good site. |
moosegod
Feb 17 2004, 05:40 PM
Great minds think a like.
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