OK I was running the numbers of the Eurocar Westwind 3K, mostly to see how fast it could go, and if it was worth that price tag. And if my numbers are right (shown below) its not.

The book lists its top speed as 240 meters per combat turn. That works out to a top speed of 288 kph (178 mph).

my math
240*20= (meters per min) 4800
4800*60= (meters per hour) 288,000
288,000*.001= (Kph) 288

(288,000*3.2808399)/5280 = (mph) 178

If this is the case, and my math is not wrong, that makes the Westwind a bit over priced. A price of 45-65k is more like it (the higher end bing the version with a high lifestyle option package).

A Corvette tops out at 305 kph (190 mph) and it sells for $48,930 base. A Porsche Boxster S can reach 273.5 kph (170) and sells for $58,000.

And both totally out accelerate the Westwind 3K. As its 0-100 kph is 7.4 seconds. Slower than even the boxter at 5.0.

But I won't toss that math up hear as most people tend to get mad at me when I post calculus equations.

That's only the highest speed it can go before it becomes dangerous. At that speed, a character can make vehicle tests to increase the movement speed more and more.

You're buying the brand name more than the car itself.

Any clue when '30 Rides' is due out?

and quality. An Aston Martin V8 Vantage does 280 kph and costs >120k$, so your Westwind is bargain! and who wants the plastic corvette anyway? oO

And to think that for a mere 13,000 more you can up that safe top speed by almost another 90kph (Engine Customization for Speed and a set of Racing Tires; +30% top speed).

When it comes to the cost of the Eurocar Westwind, don't forget that it also comes with a turbocharger, an anti-theft system, and six points of passenger protection (the maximum available for that mod), all per Arsenal page 106 as standard equipment. All in all, those three mods would be 26,000 by themselves (based on the Westwind's stats).

But yeah, as Dr. Funkenstein said, you're also buying the brand name as well.

I thought the Westwind was a luxury car, not a race car. *shrug*

It's like the Audi R8 irl, it's a high end sports car. It has both class and speed.

Right, but I'm saying that's where the 'overpriced' is coming from when you compare to a no-frills racer like a Corvette. Even a Porsche is much more on the 'austere luxury' side, right? I don't mean that it's a Lincoln Towncar.

The Westwind is meant to be a status symbol in-game. It goes along with a Luxury Lifestyle (which, also, doesn't offer you much of anything for the grotesque price tag), dressing in 10,000 nuyen suits, and eating real food every night before heading to the snazziest nightclub in town.

If you're running around doing professionally criminal and clandestine operations while driving one, you're probably not the brightest guy around. It's not there for runners, and it's especially not there for shadowrunning. It's just an example of an uber luxury status symbol for people with tiny dicks.

I agree with that, like I said it has both class and speed. In my mind it's more of a status symbol than actual race car. It is luxurous(sp?) and eyecatching, but it also has "balls" and is quite fast.

Another thing to remember when considering vehicles in SR is that all vehicles tend to be hybrid electric cars, even that Eurocar Westwind, so we're not talking about a Mercedes V-12 CL600 here. Even if the latter vehicle does retail for around $110,000 USD and have an equivalent top speed as the Westwind.

Hey, there is nothing wrong with Shadowrunning in a Westwind. Especially if it has Armor Plating and a Machinegun mount...

Actually, according to the advanced lifestyle rules in the runner's companion, High lifestyles and up come with a free, stock, unmodified Car.

So, uh, icing on the cake of a Luxury lifestyle i guess! If you can ever pull it off.

This is the original artwork for the Westwind 2000. Presumably the 3K is also a sporty ride.

And this is why 4th edition is incomplete.

No Rigger 4.

Rigger 3 has a vehicle modification system, and a Vehicle Design system. However, i always felt the design system was more fluff than anything else. It really didn't have much realizem in it. My case in point is their holey inaccurate portrait of Electric Power trains. I Drag race every weekend here in Portland at PIR with my Nissan 240sx that I converted to electric and I pull low 11's consistently (11.153 is my best 1/4 mile ET to date).

"Arsenal" has a few tasty treats, but no real meat.

I thought one of the intentional design goals of 4th Edition was to eliminate the pure "build" rules altogether. You'll note that they don't have any for firearms or spells either, even though the books that would/should have included them don't. So it's less an "incomplete" and more a "didn't even want them there."

Marvin: Why the putrid green text? Just curious.

Also, the Rigger 3 rules were borked up the wazoo . .
Super-Sonic-Race-Car? Yes, we can do that . .

Actually, they have spell design rules in Street Magic...

Keep the Faith

No, they have general, largely GM-fiat requiring guidelines for how to put a spell together. It's nothing at all like the old design rules, much like how the customization rules in Arsenal are nothing like the old design rules for firearms.

We could also di frigging silly stuff with the old weapons construction rules.
A Heavy Pistol with a better concealing factor than a hold out pistol that did as much damage as a Shotgun AND had burstfire?
Yes, i have seen these.

This is off topic, but I always have to take umbrage when somebody pulls this out as a generalization. While I'm sure there are some people who buy expensive sport/luxury items to artificially increase their self esteem, it is by no means the only appeal of them. I happen to own one of the most powerful sport bikes on the planet, but it doesn't make me feel any better about myself as a person, and it is certainly not meant to compensate for any perceived shortcomings I may have.

In fact, one of the first "modifications" I did to it was to remove all of the stickers that identified what it was because I like the clean, no nonsense look much better than the flashy "look what I'm riding" look.

If I was the only person on the planet and there was nobody around to marvel at how bad ass my ride was, I'd still be driving all manner of "penis replacement" cars around.

Again, sorry for the off topic, but as gamers we are used to being marginalized and stereotyped and we know first hand that it's not fair.

Main reason for me planning on buying a Dodge RAM SRT is the simple fact that i am a huge dick.
If i get into an accident with this thing, chances are better for me to get out than in anything else.
I would buy a Humer H1 for this simple reason, if i had the means to do so . .

The H1 is not bad, but I've never understood the appeal of the GMs H2 Hummer. It's like they took everything cool about the HMMWV (spartan utility, rugged toughness, pintle mounts) and made it lame.

Yep, nothng says "I'm a total BAMF" like your kid watching a Disney DVD in the passenger seat of your pointless status symbol. Lame.

The most egregious affront to the HMMWV namesake (in my opinion) is replacing the four wheel independent suspension and geared hubs with a plain old stick axle in the rear. They took what is pretty much THE defining feature of the real Hummer and just removed it.

For me, the most defining thing about the H1 is the fact that it can hit an anti vehicle/anti tank mine AND THE PEOPLE INSIDE HAVE REASONABLE CHANCES TO ESCAPE WITH MINOR INJURIES!
Think about that for a second there. If anybody were to drive into this thing full tilt from the side with for example a chevy, a caddillac or something like that . . they'd probably die in a folded up heap of scrap metal, while the H1 probably only needs a new door . . The H1 is as close to a tank as you can get without actually being in a tank.