Zimbabwean Aardvark
Feb 18 2004, 12:21 PM
Which game that you've played has the best/most realistic system for attributes, combat, etc? I was trying to modify SR, and dicided to start from scratch. Thanks in advance for your help.
bwdemon
Feb 18 2004, 01:45 PM
HERO System, 5th Edition
Parabellum1
Feb 18 2004, 02:19 PM
Well the best, realistic system I have seen is Phoenix command. This is a game designed by former Vietnam veterans, it is one of the few systems I have seen that you can get shot in the leg and bleed to death in minutes.
The next system is The Morrow Project, where all firearms damage is broken down into the number of inches of wood it will penetrate and converts that to the damage your body will take with intense bleeding and chances of death.
Both of these systems are complicated, but very detailed.
Changing to a different system might however alter the flavor of the shadowrun universe.
My groups answer was to use hit locations, with specific armor and damage charts for the different parts of the body.(Head, arms, torso, and legs.) We have also switched to d10's instead of d6's, now even pedestrians can drive without having catastrophic wrecks 2-3 times a year.
Twilight 2000 is a pretty good system, and its successor traveler 2300 was simpler without loosing anything.
None of these systems utilize magic, though the Phoenix command supplements may have some.
Now chaosium has a modern Cthulu setting that does have magic, and monsters, and the combat tends to be quick and deadly.
Parabellum
Birdy
Feb 18 2004, 02:57 PM
Depends on what you want:
"Military Action", "Action SciFi":
Traveller:New Era (Expanded Twilight:2000 Version 2.2)
2300AD
Milleniums End (If the GM knows the system by heart)
Cyberpunk, Animee, Action-Superheros:
RTal Cyberpunk 2.0.2.0
RTal Fuzion (Bubblegum, Champions)
General Gaming (Fantasy, Char based SciFi, NearFuture, Now):
GURPS 3.Ed (But beware of the MinMaxer and CanAll)
Horror
Call of Chutulhu (With a goooood GM)
Star Trek
Last Unicorn Games[1]
Fantasy
Harnmaster (For character based stuff)
Systems I do not! recommend (The settings may be a different thing)
Renegade Legion/Legionaire (I like! the setting)
Rolemaster/Spacemaster/Cyberspace (including the settings)
(A)D&D
DSA (exspecially the setting)
Shadowrun
Systems I play/master when it fits the genre
Star Wars
West End Games D6
Traveller:
Megatraveller (I dislike the older rules and hate the TNE setting[2][3])
RIFTS
Mechwarrior 3rd Ed.
Michael
[1]Judging from Lord of the Rings the Decipher-Version might be even better
[2]But use the system for most action-based stuff
[3]Gurps:Traveller is among the few Gurps Books I hate. That <deity>damned emperor is still alive - I hate it.
Kagetenshi
Feb 18 2004, 05:13 PM
Whatever you do, do NOT use Fringeworthy. It may have rules for calculating wind shear on individual shotgun pellets, but the holes in the system are big enough to drive a Great Dragon through.
~J
BitBasher
Feb 18 2004, 06:16 PM
QUOTE |
even pedestrians can drive without having catastrophic wrecks 2-3 times a year. |
Then never should, driving tests are not required outside of combat. At all. According to canon.
Kagetenshi
Feb 18 2004, 07:11 PM
Well, other things like Terrible conditions or other unusual circumstances can force a test, but in general you're right, these things shouldn't be causing tests. It's like saying that every once in a while someone will rule-of-1 their Strength test to open the bathroom door and have an "accident". Some things don't require tests.
~J
Crimson Jack
Feb 19 2004, 01:31 AM
Rolemaster is a really good system for realism. You would need Weapon Law: Firearms, as well as all of the magical school books (Elemental, Arcane, etc.) to get close to rounding out all of the magic and gun rules. Great system for making a low-fantasy character. Slow experience progression however and you'd have to be okay with level & class-based characters.
If you ask me, just use the existing rules and tweak it as you like it. SR is truly a unique game. Major kudos for not buckling under the d20 goblinization.
Siege
Feb 19 2004, 02:34 AM
I have to admit, the Rolemaster Critical tables were always a lot of fun.
-Siege
Moonstone Spider
Feb 19 2004, 05:02 AM
Everybody knows the F.A.T.A.L. system is the best RPG ever right? It says so right on their site, it's the most accurate system ever made!
Siege
Feb 19 2004, 05:43 AM
Since I'm too drunk to operate Google properly, what's the website?
-Siege
Crimson Jack
Feb 20 2004, 09:54 PM
QUOTE (Siege) |
I have to admit, the Rolemaster Critical tables were always a lot of fun.
-Siege |
Yeah, the Void Crit tables (level E) are nasty, to say the least. You can nuke something so hard that it removes all life in something like a one-mile diameter, changing everything from organic/inorganic material to a plane of glass.
Damage in Rolemaster is very realistic. Characters can get permanently fragged in some seriously debilitating ways in that system. Cool to be the giver, bad to be the receiver.
Adarael
Feb 20 2004, 11:21 PM
Cyberpunk 2020 as accurate?
What?!
I mean, I love CP 2020. Adore it. But no matter what you do or how good you are at it, one out of every ten 'uses' of the skill, you'll end up shooting yourself in the face, breaking what you're fixing, or otherwise horribly screwing up.
Siege
Feb 21 2004, 02:48 AM
QUOTE (Adarael) |
Cyberpunk 2020 as accurate? What?!
I mean, I love CP 2020. Adore it. But no matter what you do or how good you are at it, one out of every ten 'uses' of the skill, you'll end up shooting yourself in the face, breaking what you're fixing, or otherwise horribly screwing up. |
Speak on!
Generally speaking, we modified the crit tables so they weren't quite that bad.
-Siege
Body Hammer
Feb 22 2004, 04:45 AM
QUOTE |
But no matter what you do or how good you are at it, one out of every ten 'uses' of the skill, you'll end up shooting yourself in the face, breaking what you're fixing, or otherwise horribly screwing up. |
It's cynical, perhaps, but not all that inaccurate.
Crusher Bob
Feb 22 2004, 05:18 AM
So I would have shot myself in the face hundreds of times already? And I still look good.
Body Hammer
Feb 22 2004, 06:11 AM
Im referring to making stupid mistakes even when you think you're really good at something.
Diesel
Feb 22 2004, 06:38 AM
Not 10% of the damn time!
Large Mike
Feb 22 2004, 07:41 AM
Unknown Armies works on a percentile system, and it's an absolute work of art. It's beautiful and I want to bear it's children.
Body Hammer
Feb 22 2004, 01:07 PM
QUOTE (Diesel) |
Not 10% of the damn time! |
Is it actually always 10% of the time? Ok, that's bullshit.
I thought it was an exaggeration.
Adarael
Feb 23 2004, 08:17 AM
Yep. Every skill check is based off of a 1d10 roll, adding your stat and skill to the number.
You roll a one, you fumble.
Sahandrian
Feb 23 2004, 09:23 AM
...but wouldn't that almost be the d20 system with a smaller die?
Arethusa
Feb 23 2004, 09:38 AM
And I thought d20's 5% critical failure system was full of shit...
Crimson Jack
Feb 23 2004, 12:13 PM
It still is.
Watchman
Feb 23 2004, 02:23 PM
GURPS is good. It has its flaws, especially when you start moving to creatures noticeably bigger or smaller than humans, but the bottom line is more on the positive than in just about any other game I've seen.
And the thing can be adapted to most anything, though in practice the number-crunching and tweaking involved isn't worth it.
Rolemaster, or
Rulemaster as I like to call it, is just bad. It has about all the faults of the *old* AD&D (like ramrod-stiff class divisions and a really stupid armor system) without any of the good points, such as easy playability. And the combat rules are just awful; a char of mine once tried to restrain another by grappling, and thanks to rolling an open-ended almost ended up killing the guy... Doesn't sound like something a trained martial artist would do, IMO.
bwdemon
Feb 23 2004, 09:58 PM
And neither Arethusa nor Crimson Jack know what d20's critical failure system is so they're full of shit, too...
MYST1C
Feb 24 2004, 10:04 AM
QUOTE (Adarael) |
You roll a one, you fumble. |
Our houserule:
After rolling a one, roll again. Only if that scores another one it's a fumble.
So with a result of stat+skill+1 you have most certainly not beaten the difficulty but on the other hand you haven't blown up yourself either...
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