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Talia Invierno
What are your favourite mods to such bikes? What do you prize most? speed, acceleration, fuel economy, signature? Would you swap engines or otherwise alter, custom-order, or customise it? If yes, would your ideal engine be electric, IC, or mixed?

Of course cost matters! biggrin.gif

Edit to add: why choose one over the other? How does what it has match what you need (or want)?
MachineProphet
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On my motorcycles, I like the raw stats. Other stuff doesn't work too well on them because of their tiny CF. You could make a tricked-out chopper, though. I'm working on it.
shirogr
I go for NOS,Turbocharhing and high speed. And when you are a shadowrunners, especially a decker you don't have cash problems. The money are a always a few creative runs away. Look in my The Most Evil Weapons And Vehicles? post for what I mean. Ideal engine is Gasoline and custom order. I don't care about armor because a bike cann't carry a lot anyway (minimum armor for my tastes 4).
KosherPickle
QUOTE (Talia Invierno)
What are your favourite mods to such bikes? What do you prize most? speed, acceleration, fuel economy, signature? Would you swap engines or otherwise alter, custom-order, or customise it? If yes, would your ideal engine be electric, IC, or mixed?

Of course cost matters! biggrin.gif

Edit to add: why choose one over the other? How does what it has match what you need (or want)?

Probably a Rapier. In-game, Rapiers are the safer option, if you're trying to blend in. An Aurora stands out big-time.

If we're not speaking in those terms, probably the Aurora, or the one they showed in the Games Unplugged magazine. Or maybe just generate my own bike. grinbig.gif
AK404
I'd choose the bike bsed on looks, myself. Unfortunately, I've never seen a picture of the Rapier, though I think it might be the one in R3. If that's it, I'm impressed.
Talia Invierno
Although even one point of armour cuts out the "nuisance" weapons, and a light motorcycle can certainly stand that much.

I think the highest I ever tweaked a motorcycle to - not a light one like these, but a security model - came close to 500 km/hr. But would I ever, ever ride it at anything even coming close to half that speed? The darn thing would be trying to get airborne! (Yes, I know vehicles are designed to plough their noses to the ground instead for precisely that reason ... but I like the image - and it is faster than most single and twin-engine propeller-driven airplanes.)

I'm surprised no one's yet mentioned the range / fuel economy question. Perhaps - unless you specialise in smuggling - shadowrunners need highly populated (and thus resource-accessible) areas to thrive?

Just how common are Auroras v. Rapiers anyway? Is there anything in canon or otherwise to give an indication?
Hot Wheels
I prefer trucks but if you're on a bike- unexposed and under modified, go for speed.
Lilt
grinbig.gif Other: The Dodge Scoot! grinbig.gif

Nobody suspects the dodge scoot to be a getaway vehicle, the cops'll just speed right past you.
Elfie
Yamaha rapier with NO2, Turbocharge [2], Chameleon paint, Morphing License plate, and biometric safety (modded for anti-theft, house ruled) provides my decker with a sweet ride.
hobgoblin
if its a bike then iwould go for a hoglike the scorpion. if not then a westwind 2k is perfect as i have a feel that with morphing licence and chameleon paint it would be the hardest car for the cops to find, ever!
Hot Wheels
I don't know about a scooter. watch the right shows and you know a woman on a Vesper with a guitar can do all sorts of damage. silly.gif
kevyn668
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I don't know about a scooter. watch the right shows and you know a woman on a Vesper with a guitar can do all sorts of damage. 


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Raptor1033
FLCL, cartoon network at 11:00 CMT. well used to be, it's only 6 episodes long and they took it off after running it twice. one cracked-ass show but hilarious, can't wait for em to release it on video. waaaaaayyy too many drugs smile.gif
Digital Heroin
QUOTE (Talia Invierno)
Although even one point of armour cuts out the "nuisance" weapons, and a light motorcycle can certainly stand that much.

I think the highest I ever tweaked a motorcycle to - not a light one like these, but a security model - came close to 500 km/hr. But would I ever, ever ride it at anything even coming close to half that speed? The darn thing would be trying to get airborne! (Yes, I know vehicles are designed to plough their noses to the ground instead for precisely that reason ... but I like the image - and it is faster than most single and twin-engine propeller-driven airplanes.)

I'm surprised no one's yet mentioned the range / fuel economy question. Perhaps - unless you specialise in smuggling - shadowrunners need highly populated (and thus resource-accessible) areas to thrive?

Just how common are Auroras v. Rapiers anyway? Is there anything in canon or otherwise to give an indication?

I designed a bike for my speedfreak decker that I called the BMW Blitzkreig... calculated it at around 524kph... yeah... he liked... then again this was a drug addicted -decker- with a MBW3... *NPC for a roleplaying room* ...muchly crazy...
Snow_Fox
Honda Viking. "heavy" is relative. silly.gif
Catsnightmare
QUOTE (Raptor1033)
FLCL, cartoon network at 11:00 CMT. well used to be, it's only 6 episodes long and they took it off after running it twice. one cracked-ass show but hilarious, can't wait for em to release it on video. waaaaaayyy too many drugs smile.gif

Dude it's been out on video for a while. I have the first 2 of three DVD's of it and have had them for several months (1st volume I got way back in December or January IIRC).
Fix-it
motorcycles make great drones.

removing the passanger, you should (in theory, ask your GM) get another 80kg of weight, and 4-5cf of space. that's enough for a small/mini turret. (can't remember havent done it in a while)

mount a grenade launcher, or maybe an assault rifle or two. biggrin.gif
Snow_Fox
uh-no. Unless it's forward firing the recoil is gonig to knock a bike on it's side. It's only got 2 wheels. unlike a car it will topple over if it comes to a full stop without someother support and a turret rotating and firing sideways is going to blast it sideways.
Remember a rider's wieght is distrubuted down the sides of a bike as your legs hang down, a turret would put all the weight on the top and further throw off the balance. Since we're talking light bikes here, they already tend to be top heavy and don't need the help!
lodestar
Not to mention that the addition of all the equipment (Gyro stabilization, r/c gear, rigger adapt, sensor package) really decreases the performance of said motorcycle nullifying any advantage gained by using a bike chassis. Of note, most motorcycles don't have reverse gear, and if they do, handle poorly in with it. (mostly limited to backing out of a parking space.) This would severly limit the utility of such a vehicle. Motorcycle drones would really be limited to use maybe as highway interceptors.

Because of the performance decreases, motorcycles are one of the few vehicles that it is not an advantage to rig. A rider with hopped up reflexes and a good bike skill will beat a rigged bike every time.

As for me, I have to stick with the Suzuki, a little bit of brand loyalty on my part. As for how common an Aurora would be, just check out how many Gixxers there are on the road. The latest GSX-R1000 is pretty close to the Aurora performance wise.
Snow_Fox
Light bikes do not have reverses gears.l It adds a more complicated transmission to a machine that is just easier to push back with foot pressure.
The only bikes I've seen with reverse are the really BIG fraggers like honda's Goldwing that is generally too damn big to back up mannually.
Hot Wheels
Like you'd be caught dead on one of those. Don't you refer to those as "grandparents' bikes" dear?
lodestar
They are grandparent's bikes. They come complete with permanent left turn signal... biggrin.gif
Sunday_Gamer
My shaman has a skateboard, does that count?

Sunday.
Talia Invierno
Oh, that gives me an idea vegm.gif

(Also - remember the marketing for the Aurora? Judging by these results, the Rapier seems far from outdated!)
Drain Brain
Not really a speed freak, so I'll take a small off-roader, like the white-eagle or something. Increase the cargo space, run-flat tyres etc. Cheaper and less likely to be stolen, probably more common too, so less conspicuous.
Hot Wheels
But handles less well on city streets and actually stands out more in urban settings.
Talia Invierno
We term these "racing" motorcycles - and yet their top speed potential is roughly half that of the true choppers ...?
Drain Brain
QUOTE (Hot Wheels)
But handles less well on city streets and actually stands out more in urban settings.

Whilst I understand what you mean, I think that has a lot to do with where you are. I live in Kent in the UK and, with such a lot of countryside around, they are far more common than in urban environs.

Add to this the fact that the often lower engine sizes make them legal for youngsters and learners, it makes them the cheapest option for those folks who want to avoid riding the knee-breaking step-throughs.

So... I guess it ain't what you got, but where you use it... cool.gif
Zeel De Mort
How is their top speed potential roughly half that of choppers? From what I can see it's about the same, give or take a little. Certainly not half anyway. I'm willing to be convinced by solid figures though!
Talia Invierno
Top speed for the Aurora (fastest of the light bikes) was what, 210? with top speed for the Blitzen and Electroglide 285? All souping of engines is usually proportional to original base speed; loss of increments of speed will also tend to be higher proportionately for something slower to begin with. So "half" was a bit exaggerated ... and yet the heavier bikes do seem to be distinctly faster than the so-called "racing" bike - say on (non-tweaked) average by 50%?

However, I don't have Riggers 3 yet (wish list and hinting). Could be changes I don't know about yet.
Zeel De Mort
In R3R the Electroglide (fastes listed Chopper) has a speed of 225, and the Aurora's is 210, so any mods would have similar effects there I guess.

However I've just noticed that the Aurora only has CF 1, which isn't enough to take any Nitros as a customisation. So that makes a pretty damn big difference I guess. Which, in turn, is pretty stupid since you'd expect a Racing bike to be much faster. Unless you can get Increased Cargo Space as a design option in your Racing bike, which I guess most people can't.
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