Captain is just under major and colonel really. Captains are in charge of the individual companies that make a regiment, so around 300+ troops, depending on the regiment. And lieutenant for the navy is just 2 steps below being the captain of the ship itself. So neither are much to laugh at really.
Edit* And ya, none of us seem to be trained in it, do we?
2nd Edit* And for my sumarry of the ranks, checked them on here
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Army (Guard) Captain and Naval Lieutenant are both OF-2 in contemporay militaries, with Naval Captain at OF-5.
Assuming the same holds true for 40k, Augustian is a little underranked for his time of service, by current standard. 40k of course has life extending therapies so time of advancement could be slower.
Edit: I kept Ysabell's rank low so as not to be higher ranked than Augustian with half the time served. By todays standard, Lt Commander and Lt Colonel would be realistic ranks for both, with Ysabell having just been promoted when she was reassigned.
Assuming the same holds true for 40k, Augustian is a little underranked for his time of service, by current standard. 40k of course has life extending therapies so time of advancement could be slower.
Edit: I kept Ysabell's rank low so as not to be higher ranked than Augustian with half the time served. By todays standard, Lt Commander and Lt Colonel would be realistic ranks for both, with Ysabell having just been promoted when she was reassigned.
QUOTE (PBTHHHHT @ Jan 26 2011, 11:57 PM) 
Cornelius bows to the Countess as she leaves, having promised as well for a meeting. Cornelius nods at the conversations as it ebbed and flowed, particularly with the introductions of the new retinue members, he gives a nod to Synthia. "I had a few training flights on the Valkyries back before I heeded my current calling. Those were the days, the experience of combat drops since then brings back memories."
Did you mean to say that to Ysabell? Synthia has no clue about valkyries or combat drops. Or was he nodding in response to Synthia and then speaking to Ysabell? Just want to make sure before I pose her looking confused about what the heck you're talking about
QUOTE (Karoline @ Jan 27 2011, 02:10 PM)
Did you mean to say that to Ysabell? Synthia has no clue about valkyries or combat drops. Or was he nodding in response to Synthia and then speaking to Ysabell? Just want to make sure before I pose her looking confused about what the heck you're talking about
oopos, yeah, I mistyped. my bad
Lurker, I think you might have confused the skills Scrutiny and Awareness. Per the description on page 86 of the core book, Scrutiny is more about up-close, detailed examination and face-to-face interaction, while Awareness (p. 77) is used for the character's consciousness of his surroundings. Not sure it would have made much of a difference, just something to be aware (heh) of.
Ouch you are right as I said before I'm learning here too feel free to retest privately if you all wish.
Eh, they're both tied to the same attribute (Perception) so it wouldn't have changed the actual tests. No worries.
It does if you have the awareness skill 
Means I passed instead of failed.
Means I passed instead of failed.
I just checked the Imperial Guard and Imperial Navy hierachy's on Lexicanum and the ranks appear broadly in line with contemporary at least until the higher echelons of the General Staff. IG Captain is specifically listed as being a combat commander which is something it seems like Augustian has moved past.
Unfortunately Riegien is still on new member probation, otherwise I'd PM directly, if only to explain why Ysabell will be addressing him as Major.
Unfortunately Riegien is still on new member probation, otherwise I'd PM directly, if only to explain why Ysabell will be addressing him as Major.
Yea, you're probably right that I should be a higher than a captain, I just didn't want to outrank what I felt my skills showed I could do. I also figured that as part of a mechanized unit, the command structure may survive longer. It seemed like, in the very little I've read, a lot of the promotions come from attrition at the top. I'll think about rekajiggering my backstory if its an issue and lurker doesn't mind.
Out of curiosity, how long does newbie probation last?
Out of curiosity, how long does newbie probation last?
I believe it's 10 posts. Alternatively, you can go post here.
I wouldn't get too hung up on rank, personally. The galaxy's a big place, and not every Imperial Navy and Imperial Guard rank is going to "feel" the same in every Guard or Navy unit. I mean, there are IG regiments where guys knife fight to see who's gonna get what rank, units where the officers get voted in, units where it's all hereditary and based on social status/noble birth, etc, etc. Even in some of Dan Abnett's novels (some of the best 40k stuff out there) he assigns real world Captain-type duties to guys he assigns the rank of Sergeant to.
As Critas points out rank is pretty fluid and there are a variety of explanations for a campaigner of any rank to remain.
In other news I should point out a few disclaimers before we go much further, just so people don't get any of the wrong impressions.
First off big disclaimer: I've got a keen interest in WH40K but my interest and knowledge pretty much begins and ends with the RPG books and what I pick upw hile wiki walking, so if i screw up some details I apologize. I will try to correct or I may just not care as I'm trying to draw the universe in terms that makes sense in my head beyond the grim and gritty blah blah blah only war framework. What I'm saying is don't expect me to be an expert on the 40x millennium, I'll only sadly disappoint.
The other note as we've all seen, this is my first attempt at running this system and I've never got to play it, so if I screw some things up on that score just point it out to me I ask your forgiveness on such occurrences and will try and keep them to a minimum.
Finally just so no one misunderstands the tone of this game the WH40k universe is dark to the point of ridiculousness. The savior of mankind is a skeletal personage on a golden throne who thousands are sacrificed to so that his tortured psychic scream can allow mutants who would be otherwise executed to see their way through the depths of hell to enable faster then light trouble. The administratum likely kills more people through accident or bullheadedness then the inquisition kills on purpose. The state religion worships the emperor as a god, the same emperor who was absolutely explicit (up to and including razing a wolrd to the ground for) that he not be worshiped as a god while he still lived. Psykers are hated and feared even though they are absolutely necessary to the empires continued survival, never mind that the Emperor was himself a psyker of supposedly staggering power.
Despite all that, or perhaps because of it it's a galaxy desperately in need of heroes. So this game is going to be a bit more on the swashbuckling side then the grim and gritty, i intended to ask folks hard questions about where their character fits in the empire. If all goes well you'll face other servants of the empire, demons, xenos, perhaps even members of your own family and triumph over them. The game is your to run in many ways, I'm just here to officiate and set down a few slight guidelines so my head don't explode. While ship combats and personal combats are an important part of the game I'd be doing roleplaying a disservice if i didn't also touch on the social aspects (like the court scene your siting through)
So there's my soapbox, anyone who this color is off from what they were expecting is welcome to bow out now with no hard feelings, everyone else hold on as after the initial bit of the party things will pick up quite steadily.
In other news I should point out a few disclaimers before we go much further, just so people don't get any of the wrong impressions.
First off big disclaimer: I've got a keen interest in WH40K but my interest and knowledge pretty much begins and ends with the RPG books and what I pick upw hile wiki walking, so if i screw up some details I apologize. I will try to correct or I may just not care as I'm trying to draw the universe in terms that makes sense in my head beyond the grim and gritty blah blah blah only war framework. What I'm saying is don't expect me to be an expert on the 40x millennium, I'll only sadly disappoint.
The other note as we've all seen, this is my first attempt at running this system and I've never got to play it, so if I screw some things up on that score just point it out to me I ask your forgiveness on such occurrences and will try and keep them to a minimum.
Finally just so no one misunderstands the tone of this game the WH40k universe is dark to the point of ridiculousness. The savior of mankind is a skeletal personage on a golden throne who thousands are sacrificed to so that his tortured psychic scream can allow mutants who would be otherwise executed to see their way through the depths of hell to enable faster then light trouble. The administratum likely kills more people through accident or bullheadedness then the inquisition kills on purpose. The state religion worships the emperor as a god, the same emperor who was absolutely explicit (up to and including razing a wolrd to the ground for) that he not be worshiped as a god while he still lived. Psykers are hated and feared even though they are absolutely necessary to the empires continued survival, never mind that the Emperor was himself a psyker of supposedly staggering power.
Despite all that, or perhaps because of it it's a galaxy desperately in need of heroes. So this game is going to be a bit more on the swashbuckling side then the grim and gritty, i intended to ask folks hard questions about where their character fits in the empire. If all goes well you'll face other servants of the empire, demons, xenos, perhaps even members of your own family and triumph over them. The game is your to run in many ways, I'm just here to officiate and set down a few slight guidelines so my head don't explode. While ship combats and personal combats are an important part of the game I'd be doing roleplaying a disservice if i didn't also touch on the social aspects (like the court scene your siting through)
So there's my soapbox, anyone who this color is off from what they were expecting is welcome to bow out now with no hard feelings, everyone else hold on as after the initial bit of the party things will pick up quite steadily.
I'm a bit embarrassed to admit but tonight i'm finally getting down to working out the nitty gritty of your guys ship points, profit factor etc etc. Does anyone have anything that provides a static modifier to that?
Somebody does, which I realise isn't massively helpful.
Think it's the Explorator.
Think it's the Explorator.
That reminds me can anyone who hasn't posted their character in the Recruiting/OOC thread please do so? I'm going to collate everyone's character into one post and update them and that would give me a hand doing so.
More stuff from the: I do what I want files. For those of you curious I have done the figuring and based on your warrant path your going to have a profit factor of 35 to start. Maybe a little more depending on activities although obviously I don't want you to start with too much wealth, it defeats some of the point of the game. Your ship will be a light cruiser, I'm still crunching numbers but I will let you know that your ship will end up being more powerfull then it would be under standard rules, potentially a fair chunk more so depending on your decisions during aquiring it. There will be role playing and mechanical choices and consequences to some of your actions during the recovery of the Divine Inspiration. Maybe it's because i'm a firefly devotee but I intend to spend a lot of time/roleplay around the ship and your interactions with it's NPC crew that may affect it's capabilities. More nitty gritty details to follow when you have your conversation with Alejandro. All of this is complicated by the fact i'm still working to digest the space combat rules so if when alls said and done it looks like i've made a really boneheaded move with the ship construction I invite commentary.
More stuff from the: I do what I want files. For those of you curious I have done the figuring and based on your warrant path your going to have a profit factor of 35 to start. Maybe a little more depending on activities although obviously I don't want you to start with too much wealth, it defeats some of the point of the game. Your ship will be a light cruiser, I'm still crunching numbers but I will let you know that your ship will end up being more powerfull then it would be under standard rules, potentially a fair chunk more so depending on your decisions during aquiring it. There will be role playing and mechanical choices and consequences to some of your actions during the recovery of the Divine Inspiration. Maybe it's because i'm a firefly devotee but I intend to spend a lot of time/roleplay around the ship and your interactions with it's NPC crew that may affect it's capabilities. More nitty gritty details to follow when you have your conversation with Alejandro. All of this is complicated by the fact i'm still working to digest the space combat rules so if when alls said and done it looks like i've made a really boneheaded move with the ship construction I invite commentary.
QUOTE (LurkerOutThere @ Jan 30 2011, 03:20 AM)
That reminds me can anyone who hasn't posted their character in the Recruiting/OOC thread please do so? I'm going to collate everyone's character into one post and update them and that would give me a hand doing so.
This has reminded me you were talking about presents for those of us that haven't had them. If you haven't done them yet, I wouldn't mind a wound reroll.
QUOTE (LurkerOutThere @ Jan 29 2011, 09:53 PM)
I'm a bit embarrassed to admit but tonight i'm finally getting down to working out the nitty gritty of your guys ship points, profit factor etc etc. Does anyone have anything that provides a static modifier to that?
My "Duty to Humanity" choice for Lure of the Void imposes a -1 penalty to starting group Profit Factor. The missionary, Cornelius, made the same choice, for a total -2.
Explorator-Adept Zacharias Hakkonen
Background:
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Statistics:
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Also, my calamity origin puts a -1 modifier on starting profit factor
Heh well you guys are going to be nice and poor, but that kinda makes sense given your one arm of a larger dynasty.
Alright i'll make a deal because i'm ultimately a benevolent GM and don't want folks to die (too) easily. Anyone that rolled 1 on their wounds may reroll but they have to keep the second result.
I'll look through the books and decide what i'm going to give you for other benes in a bit.
I'll look through the books and decide what i'm going to give you for other benes in a bit.
Much appreciated.
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I don't have time to do Hax's departure post now (plus I wanted to give folks a chance to pose any questions or try and make a favorable impresion on him if they chose, good social skills/rolls are recommended. The man is a sector governor so there are risks and rewards to attracting his attention. After that we're going to transpose things, people will have an opportunity to circulate at the party if they wish but I'm also going to post the big meeting with Alejandro. Simultanious to that meeting you will have one day to pursue any interests on Scinitilia before you ship out for port wander. During that time you may try and make aquisition tests with your profit factor once I give it to you.
So here is the schedule, this can be slid if people get into conversations or like that take a bit.
Tonight (Sunday) Conversation with Hax/Hax's Departure/Party Stuff
Monday-Wednesday: Briefing from Alejandro/Party Stuff/Start Last Scintilia Business
Wed-Friday-Scintilia Business, Trael
Friday-Arrive Port Wander
So here is the schedule, this can be slid if people get into conversations or like that take a bit.
Tonight (Sunday) Conversation with Hax/Hax's Departure/Party Stuff
Monday-Wednesday: Briefing from Alejandro/Party Stuff/Start Last Scintilia Business
Wed-Friday-Scintilia Business, Trael
Friday-Arrive Port Wander
How will you be working acquisistion tests? 1 per char? As many as we want?
Also, how big is Scintilla for acquisition purposes?
Also, how big is Scintilla for acquisition purposes?
Adding to the acquisitions question, I just realized none of us did the first free acquisition +0. Is that going to be done here, or was that included in our bonuses?
I shoulda known that no sooner then i post a timetable i'll be the one to slip it. As to your questions, we will be using the 1 free item at +0 availability rule. Go ahead and designate what you want here or add it to your sheet. Your starting profit factor is 32.
While still planetside you will be at hive tarsus which has a population of greater then 10 Mil you may make one aquisition test to try and get any item up to scarce availability. Additionally you may select two items of plentiful availability for personal gear without testing availability. This basically is you've got the house staff out looking for stuff for you or pulling it from house stores.. Just so everyone know we will be using the rule of three when it comes to consumables. That is you have three grenades, three doses of drugs, and three reloads for all your weapons etc etc between availability to resupply(i.e, the ships supply lockers).
While still planetside you will be at hive tarsus which has a population of greater then 10 Mil you may make one aquisition test to try and get any item up to scarce availability. Additionally you may select two items of plentiful availability for personal gear without testing availability. This basically is you've got the house staff out looking for stuff for you or pulling it from house stores.. Just so everyone know we will be using the rule of three when it comes to consumables. That is you have three grenades, three doses of drugs, and three reloads for all your weapons etc etc between availability to resupply(i.e, the ships supply lockers).
I do hope that posts sort of coherent, it's 2AM here.
Came out clear to me. So we get the one +0 for free, a test for a scarce or lesser availability and two free plentiful or lesser?
+0 item : Conversion field (Avail:Extremely Rare (-30), Scale:Negligible (+30)) Field strength:50
A conversion field Lucius came into possession of after dealing with a 'delicate matter' for the ecclesiarchy. A rather high ranking priest had gone rogue and created a splinter faction similar to the Church of Redemption. He has sending out his 'martyrs' to 'cleanse' the souls of ecclesiarchy members who were deemed to impure by him and had become a nuissance since he started targeting higher ranked members than the previous lay and support staff he had previously flame cleansed. Part of the payment for bringing in the 'wayward' priest and keeping the matter under wraps was the Conversion field implanted in a solid silver aquila, which is now over present on his carapace armour's breastplate that he wears, but is removable and can attach to a matching rosarius amulet.
Scarce: 5 Red Dot Laser sight (1 for plasma pistol, rest for everyone else) +30: Scarce(+10), Negligible (+20) Acquisition: 32+30= 62 1d100=43 Pass
Plentiful:
Manacles (Scale Minor: 10-30)
Truncheon (Scale Negligible: 1)
*Edit Conversion field fixed, thanks for the heads up Zyerne
+0 item : Conversion field (Avail:Extremely Rare (-30), Scale:Negligible (+30)) Field strength:50
A conversion field Lucius came into possession of after dealing with a 'delicate matter' for the ecclesiarchy. A rather high ranking priest had gone rogue and created a splinter faction similar to the Church of Redemption. He has sending out his 'martyrs' to 'cleanse' the souls of ecclesiarchy members who were deemed to impure by him and had become a nuissance since he started targeting higher ranked members than the previous lay and support staff he had previously flame cleansed. Part of the payment for bringing in the 'wayward' priest and keeping the matter under wraps was the Conversion field implanted in a solid silver aquila, which is now over present on his carapace armour's breastplate that he wears, but is removable and can attach to a matching rosarius amulet.
Scarce: 5 Red Dot Laser sight (1 for plasma pistol, rest for everyone else) +30: Scarce(+10), Negligible (+20) Acquisition: 32+30= 62 1d100=43 Pass
Plentiful:
Manacles (Scale Minor: 10-30)
Truncheon (Scale Negligible: 1)
*Edit Conversion field fixed, thanks for the heads up Zyerne
Extremely Rare is -30, unfortunately.
Oh, had two question about the ship. Is there going to be complications? I didn't see any on there, and it makes sense since it was IC, but was just curious. And secondly, am I right to assume that there isn't any weapons on there as far as we know?
+0 item: Almanac Astrae Divinitus (extremely rare (-30) Scale: negligible (+30)
Mordechai collected an astrae Divinitus when it was accidentally stored aboard his escape capsule. It was his only friend or source of amusement for many long years, and he has taken to calling it Fredrick, and will spend time talking to it even in the presence of other people.
Scarse: Great Weapon (Ax) (Scarse +10 Negligible +30 quality good -10) 32 +30 = 62
Mordechai had an ax from his days with the Spacewolves. It has a wolf patterned onto the blade.
Plentiful: Silencer (negligible )
Survival Suit (negligible)
Mordechai collected an astrae Divinitus when it was accidentally stored aboard his escape capsule. It was his only friend or source of amusement for many long years, and he has taken to calling it Fredrick, and will spend time talking to it even in the presence of other people.
Scarse: Great Weapon (Ax) (Scarse +10 Negligible +30 quality good -10) 32 +30 = 62
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Mordechai had an ax from his days with the Spacewolves. It has a wolf patterned onto the blade.
Plentiful: Silencer (negligible )
Survival Suit (negligible)
QUOTE (Drace @ Feb 1 2011, 02:30 PM)
Oh, had two question about the ship. Is there going to be complications? I didn't see any on there, and it makes sense since it was IC, but was just curious. And secondly, am I right to assume that there isn't any weapons on there as far as we know?
Hell yes there will be complications but at the same time that's not something that I feel would normally come out in just a scribes data sheet. Talking to the descendants of the crew might be enlightening or others who might have served on her. But i deliberately eschewed the books complications in favor of my own. More details then that I'll keep close to my chest at this time.
At last record the ship had a titanforge lance and two sunsear broadsides.
I was also planning on an Almanac. Back to the books for a rethink.
I could have sworn I saw a table somewhere in the core book with acquisition modifiers based on the population of the current location, but now I can't find it. Am I going crazy?
Sorry for not being on a couple days, was at my parent's house, family issue. I'm back, up and running now. Will be posting later today.
QUOTE (Tanegar @ Feb 2 2011, 02:30 PM)
I could have sworn I saw a table somewhere in the core book with acquisition modifiers based on the population of the current location, but now I can't find it. Am I going crazy?
I think its in the armory section, but it deals with the time interval that each sized city requires if I remember correctly.
There's 2 tables, covering both. Pg 111.
No, neither of them apply to acquisition tests. Table 5-1 provides modifiers for Commerce and Inquiry tests to find an item of a given availability in a settlement of a given size, while 5-2 tells you how much time it will take. Those are the tables I was thinking of, though. Oh well.
Lurker, before I pick out gear, can I make a change to starting equipment? A Naval Pistol would make much more sense for Ysabell than a bolt pistol and is more commonly available (and not as good).
Sure
Thanks.
Scarce item: Voidskin
Aquisition (1d100=16)
No idea on the 2 plentifuls, might just end up with abundants as everything I want seems to be either abundant or common.
Regarding the +0 item, there's a couple I'm looking at now someone's already taken an Almanac. Lurker, have you done the freebies for those that didn't get them in the first round? Might affect my decision there.
Scarce item: Voidskin
Aquisition (1d100=16)
No idea on the 2 plentifuls, might just end up with abundants as everything I want seems to be either abundant or common.
Regarding the +0 item, there's a couple I'm looking at now someone's already taken an Almanac. Lurker, have you done the freebies for those that didn't get them in the first round? Might affect my decision there.
Riegen gets Peer: Imperial Guard, and Tech Use
Zyrene gets: Peer Imperial Navy and may get something else. I'll discuss it with you privately.
Cornelius gets: Divine Ministration
Also Cornelius i apologize for not doing an invitation letter but i have a strong desire to press forward with the time I have. If you do have questions about why your here or even an idea to pitch at me let me know.
Zyrene gets: Peer Imperial Navy and may get something else. I'll discuss it with you privately.
Cornelius gets: Divine Ministration
Also Cornelius i apologize for not doing an invitation letter but i have a strong desire to press forward with the time I have. If you do have questions about why your here or even an idea to pitch at me let me know.
+0 item: Best-Craftsmanship Selenite-pattern void suit
This magnificent specimen was a gift from the Magos of Zacharias Hakkonen's home Forge World, Land's Hope, on the occasion of Hakkonen's promotion to Explorator-Magos. It is bright red in color, bearing on the front of its torso and the back of its helmet the monochrome skull-and-gear blazon of the Adeptus Mechanicus, and is specially made to allow its wearer the full use of any mechadendrites he may possess.
Scarce item: Auspex
Acquisition Test 54 vs 62 (Profit Factor 32 + Negligible scale 30): Success
Plentiful items: Two (2) glow-globes, just because hardly anything of Plentiful or greater availability seems worth keeping track of.
This magnificent specimen was a gift from the Magos of Zacharias Hakkonen's home Forge World, Land's Hope, on the occasion of Hakkonen's promotion to Explorator-Magos. It is bright red in color, bearing on the front of its torso and the back of its helmet the monochrome skull-and-gear blazon of the Adeptus Mechanicus, and is specially made to allow its wearer the full use of any mechadendrites he may possess.
Scarce item: Auspex
Acquisition Test 54 vs 62 (Profit Factor 32 + Negligible scale 30): Success
Plentiful items: Two (2) glow-globes, just because hardly anything of Plentiful or greater availability seems worth keeping track of.
+0 aquisition: Best Quality Long-Las (Scarce +0 Negligiable +30 Best -30)
Agustian's much loved and oft abused weapon from the Imperial Guard. It has been tinkered with by various Guard weapons masters over the years to eke out all possible performance. Not ornate by any means, it is adorned simply with an Aquila and shows its long service in rough situations through a few nicks and scratches that would not buff out.
Scarce Aquisition: Auspex (Scarce +0 Negligable +30 Common +0) Need 62 1d100=28
Plentiful Aqusition 1: Void Suit
Plentiful Aquisition 2: Common Clothing (several sets, rugged clothing)
Agustian's much loved and oft abused weapon from the Imperial Guard. It has been tinkered with by various Guard weapons masters over the years to eke out all possible performance. Not ornate by any means, it is adorned simply with an Aquila and shows its long service in rough situations through a few nicks and scratches that would not buff out.
Scarce Aquisition: Auspex (Scarce +0 Negligable +30 Common +0) Need 62 1d100=28
Plentiful Aqusition 1: Void Suit
Plentiful Aquisition 2: Common Clothing (several sets, rugged clothing)
I was just curious, are you wanting us to update our character sheets that we posted earlier with all of our character's current gear, skills, talents etc? There's the post you left open for character info, and wasn't sure if you were going to do it all yourself there, or we are going to be keeping track of stuff?
It is my intent but i was waiting until we got more firmly started. To make it easy on me keep your own posts update and i'll collate everything sometime this weekend.
Will do, and hope I didn't sound like I was nagging or anything, just thought about it and the thought had been festering in my head until I finally asked.
Hindsite being 20/20 maybe I should have given a Valkyrie instead of a thunderhawk oh well.
Valkyries aren't capable of space flight that I'm aware of. Closest thing to something that size that is I guess would be the Aquila.
Also, you wanted to discuss something?
Also, you wanted to discuss something?
Another possible ship is the gun cutter. Has good carrying capacity, for personel and goods, as well it is similiarly armend to the valkyrie. The valk has a front mounted lascannon and side mounted heavy bolters, while the gun cutter has a front mounted autocannon and side mounted heavy bolters. The guncutter is also closer to the speed of the valk (Still faster, but not as much).
Plus since the gun-cutter is simply a slang term for any ship of a similiar type, build and size, you could easily say it is a valk modified for space travel.
Plus since the gun-cutter is simply a slang term for any ship of a similiar type, build and size, you could easily say it is a valk modified for space travel.
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