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Grimtooth
Trying my hand at linkage

cannon 1



Cannon 2

You're gonna love these.
TheOneRonin
Nice. Looks like I'll have to clean out the garage to make room.

BTW, on the second link, you have HTTP:// twice. Getting rid of one should make the link work.
Darkest Angel
Heh.
sidartha
Put me in for forty five bucks I'm good for it biggrin.gif
Tziluthi
indifferent.gif
Zazen
Are these serious? When I was a teenager I used to eBay ICBMs, priceless works of art, porn stars, bowls of chili, etc. These look like something I'd do.
Herald of Verjigorm
It's a gun themed auction site. These are probably authentic.

[edit] and these look entertaining.
Solstice
Don't get me wrong I'm a 2nd Amendment supporter...but WTF would someone do with these if they bought one?
Voran
Obviously of use if those darned redcoats try to take over your colonial farm. smile.gif

theartthief
QUOTE (Voran)
Obviously of use if those darned redcoats try to take over your colonial farm. smile.gif

Doh,

I was beat to the punch.

- theartthief
Capt. Dave
QUOTE (Solstice)
Don't get me wrong I'm a 2nd Amendment supporter...but WTF would someone do with these if they bought one?

Squirrell huntin'.

Kanada Ten
Getin' dem Injuns real gud.
A Clockwork Lime
We gots t'stave off the New World Order somehow, dammit. Damn bank people trying to take over the world. <shakes his fist angrily>
Solstice
ahhah yes, black helicopters falling from the sky....
Arethusa
QUOTE (Solstice @ Mar 27 2004, 05:49 AM)
Don't get me wrong I'm a 2nd Amendment supporter...but WTF would someone do with these if they bought one?

If the king of England breaks into my house to steal my TV, I'm giving him six rotating barrels of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Anyway, think they'd let me borrow this? Once I get the gun, I can come in four, five hours with the cash, easy.
CardboardArmor
Forget freedom of information, I'm clamping down before my players find that site and start asking if they can have one. I'm getting enough headaches from the Ork Sammie with the Ingram LMG.
toturi
Maybe Fanpro should reconsider the availabilities of the various heavy weapons. I can't wait for the day a Canon PAC goes for 1 nuyen.gif.
CardboardArmor
But...but...Where would we be without our heavy weapons? We'd lose all inclination to do non-sensical things! Oh the horror of it all!

...And end sarcasm.
Austere Emancipator
I'd be willing to bet a lot of money these aren't authentic. The original price tag of those weapons has got to be at least in the high 5-digits for the Vulcan, probably in the low 6-digits for the Avenger, USD.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, isn't it still illegal to privately own working cannons in the states?

If you shoot a helicopter with either of those weapons, it won't reach the ground. Well, maybe in shreds.
Voran
Heh. Kinda funny the first one has a current bid price cheaper than buying a new release DVD. The 2nd one, well, hell, I could cover that in one paycheck. nyahnyah.gif

Still, it'd be rather amusing to roll that baby out of the garage the next time some kids decided to whack your mailbox.
TheScamp
QUOTE
If the king of England breaks into my house to steal my TV, I'm giving him six rotating barrels of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

ROFL!!!
blakkie
Apparently if you are willing to jump through redtape hoops to get permits for ownership and transport most people in certain states can buy and legally possess things like this. Not that mere mortals could ever afford to pull the trigger, that has got to be some expensive ammo...

Further it might be possible that these items are past their service lifetime, so of no real value to the original owner (military).
BGMFH
There is a store called Shooters World where someone with a Class 3 can walk in and pick out a M16A4 Assualt Rifle.

Most likely, these are working, but heavily repaired items. The military discarded them, or sold them to be used as lawn ornaments or displays, and someone bought several and cobbled the pieces together to make a working unit.

Also, like someone said, think of the price of 4200 rounds per minute, at the SR value of 2 dollars a round for regular....
Austere Emancipator
An M16 does not even begin to compare to these. You could tear a small office building to shreds with either of these. Haul them next to a highway and you can destroy every car within 3 kilometers in moments. Bolt it inside a van, drive it downtown during rush hour, fire it up and revel in the series of explosions as hundreds of people suddenly turn into a bloody pulp. Don't like low-flying aircraft? No problem, you can reduce them into a cloud of burning metal slivers in a second with these weapons.

And that's with non-exploding ammunition. I'm sure that isn't cheap, but if you could get those weapons so cheap, I bet it'd still be a lot cheaper to shoot them continuously for a few minutes than it would be to smuggle either cannon into my country, for example. With explosive or armor piercing ammunition and from a good fortified position, you could test the capabilities of your local Army National Guard unit, and you'd probably beat them.

In other words, I still think those aren't real, or at least they don't work (have the bolts removed, no engine, etc).

And seriously, $1,000 for a weapon that probably cost at least 200 times as much for the original user? I bet it'd cost less than $199,000 to do enough maintenance on the GAU-8 to get it back to working order. And where the hell did this seller get it from anyway, if he's ready to sell it again for that price?
Tziluthi
Note that the seller's reserve hasn't been met for either item. And the reserve is probably going to be at least in the 5 digit zone. How you would come across such a weapon, and why someone would buy it for any substancial sum is beyond me.
Capt. Dave
QUOTE (Austere Emancipator @ Mar 27 2004, 08:21 AM)


And, correct me if I'm wrong, isn't it still illegal to privately own working cannons in the states?


For the most part, yes. A private citizen can jump through some hoops and be able to own one, however, it is very difficult. A private citizen can deal in Class II/III weapons, although that usually requires waiving of his/her search and seizure rights. Any legal corporate entity (LLC, LP, etc.) has an easier time of owning them, without any such waiver. State laws usually come into effect, and include a police signoff or other such hoops. Also, note that you must purchase a classII/III weapon manufactured and registered before 1986. Anything made after then is reserved for law enforcement/military use only.

That's all I know of the top of my head. Try a Google search for "Owning Class III Weapons" if you want more info.

EDIT - It's very hard to be able to own a weapon such as an M16, so I don't know how you'd be able to convince them to let you have a Vulcan. But it's technically possible to own one legally.
Drain Brain
QUOTE (Arethusa)
If the king of England breaks into my house to steal my TV, I'm giving him six rotating barrels of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Ahem...

You'll have to wait a while for a King, mate - You may, however, find Queen Elizabeth crawling over the sill, though - not that she's really fit enough to bo breaking a biscuit, let alone a window...
FlakJacket
Of course not. Besides, she'd just send one of her underlings to do the job. Breaking and entering is just so.... déclassé. Although she is head of her own military - and several army regiments in particular - so the comeback from using one of these might be formidable. biggrin.gif
Arethusa
Given the amount of red tape needed to legally own one of these things, it is extraordinarily unlikely the purchaser is interested in discharging it illegally. That said, even if you buy the thing, you need to worry about finding a suitable power source, securely mounting it to something that can withstand the recoil (bolting it to a van, by and large, will break the van unless you do a very good job), and acquiring ammunition. And while you can concievably get ahold of some, it's very rare. I'm fairly sure it wouldn't be technically illegal to own some if you could get ahold of it, but as I believe you are required to turn whatever small amounts of 20 and 30mm ammunition you may come across to the military (as it was originally their property but fell through the cacks) and none of the amnufacturers will deal with individuals, you're pretty much out of luck. If you're buying one legally, it can't be for anything practical.

That said, if you want one illegally, the Russian Mafia can practically hook you up with a Russian boomer if you have the cash and the connections. I wouldn't worry about miniscule stuff like this.

Also, I know England has a queen, silly. The last king you guys had was king George the VI, who died in 1952 to cancer. Come on. I may be an American and I may support the 2nd Amendment, but have some faith, man.

Anyway, if queen Lizzie comes by and wants my tv, I'll be denying her life, liberty, and property without due process of law at 6000 rounds per minute.

[edit: erp, meant to type legally; hadn't slept much]
JongWK
At $2 per round, that's an expensive way to protect your TV. wink.gif
Austere Emancipator
QUOTE (Arethusa)
If you're buying one illegally, it can't be for anything practical.

Like what, for example?

QUOTE
That said, if you want one illegally, the Russian Mafia can practically hook you up with a Russian boomer if you have the cash and the connections.

In Russia, sure. But smuggling rotary cannons, let alone a submarine, is pretty difficult into/through any civilized Western country. (I should hope.)
CardboardArmor
QUOTE (JongWK)
At $2 per round, that's an expensive way to protect your TV. wink.gif

They say that the price of liberty and high-definition, flatscreen imaging technologies is eternal vigilance.
Zazen
Both of these guns are being sold by the same seller, who, as far as I can tell, has sold only rifles, pistols, and shotguns in the past with an A+ rating. I still don't know what to think of this.
CardboardArmor
I'd say he moved up in the world of firearms sales if he jumped up from man-portable to 'definately-not-man-portable'.

I mean, it seems really legit, but this is from eBay. People sell souls, aircraft carriers, F/A-18's, and their sense of humor on this thing. I guess ultimately you have to take it with a grain of salt.

Not like you could do much with either gun except have it as a really interesting conversation piece.

"Welcome to my home, sir, dinner will start shortly. Yes, I'm so happy you decided to promote me. By the way, have you seen my new GAU-8 Avenger? Yes, I do think it goes well with the new corinthian blinds and the end table."
Arethusa
QUOTE (Austere Emancipator)
QUOTE (Arethusa)
If you're buying one illegally, it can't be for anything practical.

Like what, for example?

QUOTE
That said, if you want one illegally, the Russian Mafia can practically hook you up with a Russian boomer if you have the cash and the connections.

In Russia, sure. But smuggling rotary cannons, let alone a submarine, is pretty difficult into/through any civilized Western country. (I should hope.)

Meant to type legally. Whoops.

Anyway, no, I mean in the US. It's almost been done. A certain Colombian cartel was interested in bulding a fleet of smuggling subs. When asked if such a thing would even be possible, the Russians replied, "would you like with or without missiles?" Was going to go for about 10 million, no less, until the deal got busted. But given how easy that was to set up, I wouldn't say it's out of the question that it's already been done successfully in other places, and an Avenger is certainly not going to be too much trouble relative to that.
Austere Emancipator
OK. I have no idea how accurate the sensor systems guarding US waters are, or how complete their coverage is. That does sound rather frightening, however. Would be funny if someone tried that here...

Still, goes to show that Availability ratings really are relative.
Shadow
The military has a civilian agency that decommissions equipment, guns etc. If you know the right people you can purchase decommissioned equipment. Having said that, the military doesn't decommission something until they have sucked it dry of life (including people). If these guns are authentic they are no more than show pieces, completely incapable of firing. In the case of armored units, the military fills the barrels with concrete, and removes all the firing mechanism. So I would imagine the same was done here. No, these would make a great show piece for your work room, or your garage, hang it off the ceiling or something. But fire them? Never happen.


Oh and Austere, BG was using an M-16 as an example. If you have the money, and can pass an FBI background check, you can pretty much by any military spec item you want.

You can learn a little about it here.

Though Iam sure you know more about it than I.... now if Raygun would just chime in.
Austere Emancipator
Maybe that's it, then. Decommissioned and stripped-down.

QUOTE (Shadow)
Though Iam sure you know more about it than I

Me? I really don't. My knowledge of legality-things in the US is very limited at best.

Solstice
QUOTE (CardboardArmor)

I mean, it seems really legit, but this is from eBay.

No it's not.
Shadow
QUOTE (Solstice)
QUOTE (CardboardArmor @ Mar 27 2004, 04:21 PM)

I mean, it seems really legit, but this is from eBay.

No it's not.

The site is modeled after ebay, it is a legit site. You just can't make an account and post, you have to have a little higher level of verification than your usual ebayer.
Solstice
QUOTE (Shadow)
QUOTE (Solstice @ Mar 27 2004, 04:13 PM)
QUOTE (CardboardArmor @ Mar 27 2004, 04:21 PM)

I mean, it seems really legit, but this is from eBay.

No it's not.

The site is modeled after ebay, it is a legit site. You just can't make an account and post, you have to have a little higher level of verification than your usual ebayer.

I'm quite aware of what it is. I've bought guns on the site. I was telling him it's not Ebay.
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