QUOTE (CanRay @ Feb 19 2013, 12:45 AM)
I hate how they can't recognize me despite the epicness of my adventures!
And that is why being a Vampire Lord is awesome.
Also the reason why becoming the Grey Fox in Oblivion is awesome.
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QUOTE (Tiralee @ Feb 18 2013, 06:40 PM)
It was a pretty general consensus by the PC modding community that the "official" skyrim manor was a bug-ridden POS - so many other people have made really nice mods it was a bit disappointing to see something so...plebian.
Perhaps. Is there a comparable mod provided by the modding community? I know there's plenty of home mods but you get to work with what they give you. The advantage to Hearthfire is that you have a variable house with variable furnishings so you can be as sparse or crowded as you like.
QUOTE (Tiralee @ Feb 18 2013, 06:40 PM)
And the estimated supply count is way off - it seems to change depending on what build you go for, regardless of stated requirements.
No. My estimate, if anything, is well under what materials are needed. I believe you're misunderstanding my count. The estimate is the total bill of materials to fully construct and furnish three manors while using all 9 wing options. The bill of materials that I listed is slightly over what is needed for a single 3 wing manor since it includes the build/furnishing materials for the small house, main hall, and cellar of the other two sites (not including the remaining 6 wing options).
Using
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Hearthfire as a guide on material costs....
Materials - Hidden in spoiler to avoid long post
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Small House Layout - 30 Nails, 17 Sawn Logs, 14 Quarried Stone, 4 Clay, 2 Hinges, 1 Iron Fitting, 1 Lock (6 Iron Ingots, 1 Corundum Ingot)
Small House Furnishing - 20 Nails, 11 Sawn Logs, 4 Iron Fittings, 4 Leather Strips, 2 Goat Horns, 2 Iron Ingots, 2 Straw, 1 Glass, 1 Hinge, 1 Quarried Stone (6.5 Iron Ingots)
Main Hall Layout (including cellar) - 85 Nails, 55 Sawn Logs, 86 Quarried Stone, 16 Clay, 2 Hinges, 1 Iron Fittings, 1 Lock (11.5 Iron Ingots, 1 Corundum Ingot)
Main Hall Entry Furnishing - 15 Nails, 11 Sawn Logs, 5 Iron Fittings, 6 Leather Strips, 4 Sabre Cat Teeth, 1 Goat Horn, 2 Deer Hides, 2 Glass, 2 Hinges, 2 Large Antlers, 1 Bear Pelt, 1 Sabre Cat Pelt, 1 Sabre Cat Snow Pelt, 1 Wolf Pelt (11.2 Iron Ingots) [Some of the furnishings overlap with small house, but I think I excluded them properly]
Main Hall South Room Furnishing - 43 Nails, 27 Sawn logs, 7 Hinges, 6 Iron Fittings, 6 Iron Ingots, 5 Leather Strips, 5 quarried stone, 4 Glass, 4 Slaughterfish Scales, 2 Horker Tusks, 2 locks, 2 Mudcrab Chitin, 1 Deer Hide, 1 Goat Hide, 1 Gold Ingot, 1 Grand Soul Gem, 1 Large Antlers, 1 Quicksilver Ingot, 1 Refined Moonstone (15.8 Iron Ingots, 2 Corundum Ingots)
Main Hall North Room (1st Level) - 26 Nails, 16 Sawn logs, 5 Iron Ingots, 5 Iron Fittings, 4 Slaughterfish Scales, 3 Steel Ingots, 2 Hinges, 2 Leather Strips, 1 glass, 1 Large Antlers, 1 Lock (9.6 Iron Ingots, 1 Corundum Ingot
Main Hall North Room (2nd Level) - 56 Nails, 33 Sawn logs, 12 Leather Strips, 10 Iron Fittings, 8 Hinges, 6 Goat Horns, 4 Glass, 4 Straw, 2 Iron Ingots, 2 Sabre Cat Teeth, 2 Wolf Pelts, 1 Deer Hide, 1 Large Antlers, 1 Lock, 1 Sabre Cat Snow Pelt (20.6 Iron Ingots, 1 Corundum Ingot)
Main Hall Cellar - 36 Sawn logs, 33 Nails, 30 Steel Ingots, 19 Iron Fittings, 17 Hinges, 17 quarried Stone, 13 Iron Ingots, 13 Locks, 8 Clay, 8 Leather Strips, 5 Goat Horns, 4 Straw, 2 Bear Pelts, 2 Sabre Cat Teeth, 1 Deer Hide, 1 glass, 1 Large Antlers, 1 Sabre Cat Snow Pelt, 1 Small Antlers (43.8 Iron Ingots, 13 Corundum Ingots)
Main Hall Cellar Shrines - 9 Amulets of the Divines (1 of each type), 4 Silver Ingots, 3 Iron Ingots, 3 Steel Ingots, 2 Ebony Ingots, 2 gold ingots, 2 Orichalcum Ingots, 2 Quicksilver ingots, 2 Refined Malachite, 2 Refined Moonstone, 1 Corundum Ingot, 1 Dragon Bone, 1 Dragon Scales, 1 Flawless Amethyst, 1 Flawless Sapphire
Exterior Items - 7 Sawn Log, 5 Quarried Stone, 5 Nails, 6 Clay, 6 Iron Ingot, 3 Iron Fitting (2.5 Iron Ingots)
Total Materials - 3 Bear Pelts, 34 Clay, 1 Corundum Ingot, 5 Deer Hide, 1 Dragon Bone, 1 Dragon Scales, 2 Ebony Ingots, 1 Flawless Amethyst, 1 Flawless Sapphire, 13 Glass, 1 Goat Hide, 14 Goat Horns, 3 Gold Ingots, 1 Grand Soul Gem, 41 Hinges, 2 Horker Tusks, 54 Iron Fittings, 6 Large Antlers, 19 Locks, 37 Leather Strips, 2 Mudcrab Chitin, 313 Nails, 2 Orichalcum Ingots, 128 Quarried Stone, 3 Quicksilver Ingots, 2 Refined Malachite, 3 Refined Moonstone, 1 Sabre Cat Pelt, 3 Sabre Cat Snow Pelts, 8 Sabre Cat Teeth, 213 Sawn Logs, 4 Silver Ingots, 8 Slaughterfish Scales, 1 Small Antler, 36 Steel Ingots, 10 Straw, 3 Wolf Pelts. You'll need an extra 126 Iron Ingots and 19 Corundum Ingots to craft all the necessary Hinges, Iron Fittings, Locks, and Nails.
Now, that doesn't include any of the 9 wing options or the external item that is unique to each of the three sites and that is the bill of materials for one single site.
So what are the costs to build and full furnish each wing, which I consider it perfectly acceptable to construct each wing once.
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Alchemist's Tower - 9 Clay, 3 Glass, 7 Goat Horns, 14 Hinges, 15 Iron Fittings, 7 Iron Ingots, 7 Locks, 1 Leather Strip, 2 Mudcrab Chitin, 68 Nails, 16 Quarried Stone, 1 Quicksilver Ingot, 44 Sawn Logs, 6 Steel Ingots (35.8 Iron Ingots, 7 Corundum Ingots)
Armory - 1 Bear Pelt, 3 Clay, 6 Glass, 9 Goat Horns, 14 Hinges, 2 Horker Tusks, 28 Iron Fittings, 4 Iron Ingots, 4 Locks, 8 Leather Strips, 77 Nails, 26 Quarried Stone, 1 Sabre Cat Pelt, 2 Sabre Cat Teeth, 62 Sawn Log, 4 Straw, 1 Wolf Pelt (46.7 Iron Ingots, 4 Corundum Ingots)
Bedrooms - 1 Bear Pelt, 2 Glass, 2 Goat Horns, 16 Hinges, 13 Iron Fittings, 2 Iron Ingots, 7 Locks, 10 Leather Strips, 2 Mudcrab Chitin, 74 Nails, 18 Quarried Stone, 52 Sawn Logs, 3 Steel Ingots, 4 Straw (35.4 Iron Ingots, 7 Corundum Ingots)
Enchanter's Tower - 9 Clay, 3 Glass, 1 Goat Hide, 1 Gold Ingot, 1 Grand Soul Gem, 12 Hinges, 10 Iron Fittings, 5 Iron Ingots, 5 Locks, 1 Leather Strip, 56 Nails, 17 Quarried Stone, 1 Refined Moonstone, 41 Sawn Logs (26.6 Iron Ingots, 5 Corundum Ingots)
Greenhouse - 21 Clay, 6 Glass, 2 Goat Hide, 6 Goat Horns, 10 Hinges, 14 Iron Fittings, 4 Iron Ingots, 2 Locks, 4 Leather Strips, 4 Mudcrab Chitin, 76 Nails, 20 Quarried Stone, 50 Sawn Logs (28.6 Iron Ingots, 2 Corundum Ingots)
Kitchen - 5 Clay, 7 Goat Horns, 4 Hinges, 2 Horker Tusks, 12 Iron Fittings, 9 Iron ngots, 1 Large Antler, 2 Locks, 2 Leather Strips, 54 Nails, 21 Quarried Stone, 38 Sawn Logs (21.4 Iron Ingots, 2 Corundum Ingots)
Library - 9 Clay, 7 Goat Horns, 10 Hinges, 7 Iron Fittings, 2 Iron Ingots, 5 Locks, 78 Nails, 16 Quarried Stone, 47 Sawn Logs (24.8 Iron Ingots, 5 Corundum Ingots)
Storage Room - 3 Clay, 4 Glass, 1 Goat Hide, 2 Goat Horns, 27 Hinges, 17 Iron Fittings, 5 Iron Ingots, 12 Locks, 3 Leather Strips, 2 Mudcrab Chitin, 79 Nails, 18 Quarried Stone, 55 Sawn Logs, 3 Steel Ingots, 1 Wolf Pelt (50.4 Iron Ingots, 12 Corundum ingots )
Trophy Room - 13 Clay, 1 Glass, 1 Goat Hide, 4 Goat Horns, 7 Hinges, 2 Horker Tusks, 9 Iron Fittings, 2 Iron Ingots, 3 Locks, 2 Leather Strips, 50 Nails, 21 Quarried Stone, 42 Sawn Log (20.5 Iron Ingots, 1 Corundum ingots) [Does not include materials for constructing trophies on bases]
Apiary/Fish Hatchery/Grain Mill - 2 Iron Fittings, 5 Nails, 5 Quarried Stone, 7 Sawn Logs, 2 Straw (2.5 Iron Ingots)
Constructing all that requires 2 Bear Pelts, 75 Clay, 25 Glass, 5 Goat Hides, 44 Goat Horns, 1 Gold Ingot, 1 Grand Soul Gem, 114 Hinges, 6 Horker Tusks, 127 Iron Fittings, 40 Iron Ingots, 1 Large Antler, 47 Locks, 31 Leather Strips, 10 Mudcrab Chitin, 617 Nails, 178 Quarried Stone, 1 Quicksilver Ingot, 1 Refined Moonstone, 1 Sabre Cat Pelt, 2 Sabre Cat Teeth, 438 Sawn Logs, 12 Steel Ingots, 10 Straw, and 2 Wolf Pelts. You need 350 Iron Ingots and 47 Corundum Ingots to build the Hinges, Iron Fittings, Locks, and Nails.
So the grand total material bill to build everything?
11 Bear Pelts, 177 Clay, 3 Corundrum Ingot, 15 Deer Hides, 3 Dragon Bones, 3 Dragon Scales, 6 Ebony Ingots, 3 Flawless Amethyst, 3 Flawless Sapphires, 64 Glass, 8 Goat Hide, 86 Goat Horns, 10 Gold Ingots, 4 Grand Soul Gems, 237 Hinges, 12 Horker Tusks, 289 Iron Fittings, 133 Iron Ingots, 19 Large Antlers, 104 Locks, 142 Leather Strips, 16 Mudcrab Chitin, 1556 Nails, 6 Orichalcum Ingots, 562 Quarried Stone, 10 Quicksilver Ingots, 6 Refined Malachite, 10 Refined Moonstone, 4 Sabre Cat Pelts, 9 Sabre Cat Snow Pelts, 26 Sabre Cat Teeth, 1077 Sawn Logs, 12 Silver Ingots, 24 Slaughterfish Scales, 3 Small Antlers, 120 Steel Ingots, 11 Wold Pelts. You need 786 Iron Ingots and 104 Corundum Ingots to make the Hinges, Iron Fittings, Locks, and Nails.
Now, as I've said I will probably be selective with my furnishings but that's still a high cost with iron ingots/ore (for steel), corundum ingots/ore (for steel). The sawn logs will take a long time to harvest (108 cycles of the mill). 177 clay and 562 quarried stone are easy to gather since they have on site clay and stone pits that have a quantity of 4000 in them (that respawns) they just take time. Now, yes, you could pay your steward to furnish the home but then you end up with everything and it comes over time rather than on demand. So you can't be selective in what you furnish.