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Wakshaani
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MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexico's archaeology institute downplays theories that the ancient Mayas predicted some sort of apocalypse would occur in 2012, but on Thursday it acknowledged that a second reference to the date exists on a carved fragment found at a southern Mexico ruin site.

Most experts had cited only one surviving reference to the date in Mayan glyphs, a stone tablet from the Tortuguero site in the Gulf coast state of Tabasco.

But the National Institute of Anthropology and History said in a statement that there is in fact another apparent reference to the date at the nearby Comalcalco ruin. The inscription is on the carved or molded face of a brick. Comalcalco is unusual among Mayan temples in that it was constructed of bricks.

Arturo Mendez, a spokesman for the institute, said the fragment of inscription had been discovered years ago and has been subject to thorough study. It is not on display and is being kept in storage at the institute.

The "Comalcalco Brick," as the second fragment is known, has been discussed by experts in some online forums. Many still doubt that it is a definite reference to Dec. 21, 2012 or Dec. 23, 2012, the dates cited by proponents of the theory as the possible end of the world.

"Some have proposed it as another reference to 2012, but I remain rather unconvinced," David Stuart, a specialist in Mayan epigraphy at the University of Texas at Austin, said in a message to The Associated Press.

Stuart said the date inscribed on the brick "'is a Calendar Round,' a combination of a day and month position that will repeat every 52 years."

The brick date does coincide with the end of the 13th Baktun; Baktuns were roughly 394-year periods and 13 was a significant, sacred number for the Mayas. The Mayan Long Count calendar begins in 3114 B.C., and the 13th Baktun ends around Dec. 21, 2012.

But the date on the brick could also correspond to similar dates in the past, Stuart said.

"There's no reason it couldn't be also a date in ancient times, describing some important historical event in the Classic period. In fact, the third glyph on the brick seems to read as the verb huli, "he/she/it arrives."

"There's no future tense marking (unlike the Tortuguero phrase), which in my mind points more to the Comalcalco date being more historical that prophetic," Stuart wrote.

Both inscriptions — the Tortuguero tablet and the Comalcalco brick — were probably carved about 1,300 years ago and both are cryptic in some ways.

The Tortuguero inscription describes something that is supposed to occur in 2012 involving Bolon Yokte, a mysterious Mayan god associated with both war and creation.

However, erosion and a crack in the stone make the end of the passage almost illegible, though some read the last eroded glyphs as perhaps saying, "He will descend from the sky."

The Comalcalco brick is also odd in that the molded or inscribed faces of the bricks were probably laid facing inward or covered with stucco, suggesting they were not meant to be seen.

The Institute of Anthropology and History has long said rumors of a world-ending or world-changing event in late December 2012 are a Westernized misinterpretation of Mayan calendars.

The institute repeated Thursday that "western messianic thought has twisted the cosmovision of ancient civilizations like the Maya."

The institute's experts say the Mayas saw time as a series of cycles that began and ended with regularity, but with nothing apocalyptic at the end of a given cycle.

Given the strength of Internet rumors about impending disaster in 2012, the institute is organizing a special round table of 60 Mayan experts next week at the archaeological site of Palenque, in southern Mexico, to "dispel some of the doubts about the end of one era and the beginning of another, in the Mayan Long Count calendar."


I figured that everyone would like a look at this. Especially that last bit. smile.gif
CanRay
So, who has money on a dragon racing a bullet train in Japan?
Tech_Rat
No bet.


I'm starting to think others on this board may have as loose a grip on the supposed 'reality' we live in that I do...
nezumi
While playing tourist in Tikal, I did actually press my guide for details on 2012 (and said he was holding out on me when he answered that they'd just start a new calendar).
ravensmuse
Tehana and I are planning to either visit Italy or Japan next year. I'd love to be in Tokyo in December.."Look honey, look! Ryumyo!"

I can just imagine the look on her face when I say it too.
Tech_Rat
I should be able to save up enough by then.. Shall I join you? nyahnyah.gif

Think the Emergence of TM's and the like may be accelerated due to our already wireless world?
CanRay
QUOTE (Tech_Rat @ Nov 25 2011, 02:08 PM) *
Think the Emergence of TM's and the like may be accelerated due to our already wireless world?
Not after The Crash. The Wireless Infrastructure will be reduced to Zero.
Brazilian_Shinobi
For those who are not counting (what are you doing here, then?), we have 29 days until the end of the (5th) World.
If I had amazing L33T CGI skills, I would totally make a video of a dragon flying from Mt. Fuji.
Ryu
A triggered latent dracomorphosis would be great, thanks you in advance wink.gif

(Playing Divinity II right now, good fun.)
Tech_Rat
QUOTE (CanRay @ Nov 25 2011, 01:25 PM) *
Not after The Crash. The Wireless Infrastructure will be reduced to Zero.


True, but would we really need a crash to pull it off? Maybe just the ubiquitious network we currently have will be enough...
CanRay
QUOTE (Tech_Rat @ Nov 25 2011, 04:13 PM) *
True, but would we really need a crash to pull it off? Maybe just the ubiquitious network we currently have will be enough...
True enough. I mean, I had one Tech support call where the user was seeing his modem/router combination unit's wireless network a half-mile away just due to wireless repeaters.

Most places have wireless routers in place, WiFi is available in cafes, sometimes for free (Hell, the Irish Pub I go to has free wireless!), and even if the Internet goes down, there's still the small LANs everywhere.

With enough work, you could get a Wireless MAN going on during a Zombiepocalypse provided there's electricity.
ggodo
Welcome back world. Play nice.
Bodak
QUOTE (CanRay @ Nov 26 2011, 07:23 AM) *
even if the Internet goes down,
Short of an asteroid strike or global power-cut, is there much that could feasibly cause a system with such inherent redundancy to go down?
ggodo
CRASH WORM IS GO!
Tech_Rat
QUOTE (Bodak @ Nov 27 2011, 06:33 PM) *
Short of an asteroid strike or global power-cut, is there much that could feasibly cause a system with such inherent redundancy to go down?


Well, EMP would follow with the global power cut, but would also fry everything... Maybe a crash virus[Replicate, corrupt, maybe a rename file option to replicate it within the same file tree]? That may work. Maybe a hardware/BIOS worm that forces overclocking on the system to fry every device it comes across?
Fix-it
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has been discussed by experts in some online forums.


aaaand I stopped reading. everyone knows what experts people in online forums are. ohplease.gif
CanRay
QUOTE (Bodak @ Nov 27 2011, 07:33 PM) *
Short of an asteroid strike or global power-cut, is there much that could feasibly cause a system with such inherent redundancy to go down?
QUOTE (Tech_Rat @ Nov 27 2011, 09:26 PM) *
Well, EMP would follow with the global power cut, but would also fry everything... Maybe a crash virus[Replicate, corrupt, maybe a rename file option to replicate it within the same file tree]? That may work. Maybe a hardware/BIOS worm that forces overclocking on the system to fry every device it comes across?
Overwhelm the power control system and the expensive electronics system will fry to protect the fifteen cent fuse. Basic computer theory.
QUOTE (Fix-it @ Nov 27 2011, 09:49 PM) *
aaaand I stopped reading. everyone knows what experts people in online forums are. ohplease.gif
I don't know, we're pretty knowledgeable here. nyahnyah.gif
GM Lich
Lets pretend it actually happens, doesn't vitas and other horrible things kill off most of the population, before we start getting to the "good parts" in shadowrun?
Brazilian_Shinobi
Yes, that's why I'm already stockpiling canned food and purifiers and entrenching my place while I wait for the Sixth World. cyber.gif
The_Vanguard
So we don't know whether this is supposed to be a date, there is no apocalyptic prophecy and no one knows for sure when the next turn is going to start. What was the point of this article again?
darthmord
QUOTE (Bodak @ Nov 27 2011, 06:33 PM) *
Short of an asteroid strike or global power-cut, is there much that could feasibly cause a system with such inherent redundancy to go down?


Take out some of the root servers and things will start to fail quickly. The Internet should have been designed as a web. Instead it is a tree. Hack the roots of the tree and the tree will die.
Jhaiisiin
Well, hopefully the mods of DS have already set up a mirrored server for when this one crashes.
CanRay
QUOTE (Jhaiisiin @ Nov 29 2011, 02:31 AM) *
Well, hopefully the mods of DS have already set up a mirrored server for when this one crashes.
There's probably some overly paranoid and twitchy person in a basement somewhere with a dot-matrix printer constantly printing out each thread and their comments on tractor-feed paper they bought in insane bulk amounts. wink.gif
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