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Draco18s
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'Bout time?
Bigity
How about a seperate errata pdf for the DTF versions?
Draco18s
QUOTE (Bigity @ Dec 6 2011, 04:59 PM) *
How about a seperate errata pdf for the DTF versions?


No idea. I'd like an errata PDF that says what was changed (running the two PDFs through diff to see if I can locate major things*).

Also, "DTF"?

*Edit: diff failed. Probably ran it on the wrong PDF, I was seeing 90% different, with the supposed old file containing various errors, such as "pAin resisTance" instead of the new file's "PAIN RESISTANCE." Admittedly, the diff works on the raw ASCII data.
Bigity
DTF = dead tree format
Draco18s
QUOTE (Bigity @ Dec 6 2011, 05:28 PM) *
DTF = dead tree format


Derp, of course.
NiL_FisK_Urd
@Bigity: here you go
SR4A Errata
ggodo
Looks like it's all typos. Nothing looked like it would affect the rules.
Udoshi
and yet, in that mess, there is only one major rules change.

And it is one that actually makes sense. Color me surprised. Threading is now actually a free action, instead of a special non-action do it anywhen rule that doesn't fit in with anything else in the system.
Tymeaus Jalynsfein
QUOTE (Udoshi @ Dec 6 2011, 04:46 PM) *
and yet, in that mess, there is only one major rules change.

And it is one that actually makes sense. Color me surprised. Threading is now actually a free action, instead of a special non-action do it anywhen rule that doesn't fit in with anything else in the system.


Sweet... About time.
Bigity
QUOTE (NiL_FisK_Urd @ Dec 6 2011, 04:41 PM) *
@Bigity: here you go
SR4A Errata



Thanks for the link.


One book down, many to go.
KarmaInferno
So, nothing about clearing up the dozens of other rules questions that have been plaguing SR4A for years?

Mystic Adept split magic, how to use Edge to re-roll, etc?




-k
hobgoblin
Sadly not a comprehensive document of the changes between SR4 and SR4A, as the pdf that is available right is missing things like the scatter table.
Jhaiisiin
Except that is the actual SR4A errata they posted, not the changes document.
Merlin
With threading as a free action Technomancers are useless, you need the free aktion ready all the time for jack out.
MortVent
QUOTE (Merlin @ Dec 7 2011, 06:31 AM) *
With threading as a free action Technomancers are useless, you need the free aktion ready all the time for jack out.


wrong, just means you need those complex forms. And it's one free action per IP. So you still got one coming up to jack out if the threading doesn't work.

Brazilian_Shinobi
REPENT FOR THE END IS NIGH!!
Brazilian_Shinobi
Blah, the end is postponed, it's just a document with gramatical errors.
Sengir
QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Dec 7 2011, 01:46 PM) *
Blah, the end is postponed, it's just a document with gramatical errors.

There is one tiny correction in it, the end got a tiny bit closer wink.gif

PS: Since everybody agrees that the end is nigh should CGL ever post errata and the world is known to end by the end of next year...will we finally get errata in a little bit less than a year?
BishopMcQ
QUOTE (MortVent @ Dec 7 2011, 03:54 AM) *
wrong, just means you need those complex forms. And it's one free action per IP. So you still got one coming up to jack out if the threading doesn't work.


And if it's really critical you can always trade a Simple Action for a Free. If in the past, you were threading, attempting a Complex Action, and then using a Free Action to Log out, that situation is closed to you. Now, you just plan ahead. In the last pass before your turn, make the Threading Test, since you held the Free Action to log out, from before, it is now time to use it or lose it. When it becomes your action, you gain a new Free Action which you can hold on to if necessary.

Stylistically, when I play a hacker or technomancer, it is very rare for my hand to be hovering over the big red Log Out button. Usually I know what I'm here for and do it. If I get ambushed, then on my action, I run like hell--then again, I've never had a GM that would allow Logging Out on other people's turns.

Draco18s
All it really did was prevent Threading from being "Oh, I need more hits than that. More than that. More than that. More than that. More than that...." until you got the number you desired.

Because you could do it all the time, for free, and expend no time at all doing it.

It also means that you can't thread Exploit, hack something, then thread Stealth on the counter-roll.
BishopMcQ
Draco--I believe that was the precise loophole being closed.
Draco18s
QUOTE (BishopMcQ @ Dec 7 2011, 03:55 PM) *
Draco--I believe that was the precise loophole being closed.



Bishop--I believe that was the precise point I was making.
BishopMcQ
I say, you're right and you get snarky. Whatever.
Critias
Oh, internet. Sweet, sweet, internet-and-the-communication-issues-you-bring-us. *wistful sigh* Don't ever change.
Draco18s
QUOTE (BishopMcQ @ Dec 7 2011, 05:55 PM) *
I say, you're right and you get snarky. Whatever.


Your choice of words and grammatical structure lead me to believe, good sir, that you were saying, "Um, duh" rather than "Yup, you're correct."

Stating the obvious in such a manner only makes the person you're replying to think that you're calling them stupid for having repeated something already said. Hence using the same word choice in my reply back: you took it as snarky because it was snarky.

And if it was snarky in the first place...
Nath
See what happens when technomancers have to spend a Free Action to thread an Etiquette skillsoft.
Tymeaus Jalynsfein
QUOTE (Draco18s @ Dec 7 2011, 04:16 PM) *
Your choice of words and grammatical structure lead me to believe, good sir, that you were saying, "Um, duh" rather than "Yup, you're correct."

Stating the obvious in such a manner only makes the person you're replying to think that you're calling them stupid for having repeated something already said. Hence using the same word choice in my reply back: you took it as snarky because it was snarky.

And if it was snarky in the first place...


Honestly, I read BishopMcQ's post as a compliment to your insight Draco18s. Methinks you were a bit to sensitive there. smile.gif
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